Cheney to GOP: Do Not Moderate

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  1. sargon20

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    Is it a road to victory to refuse to moderate? Isn't most of America in the middle? Or is Cheney like so many others in denial over the failure of his philosophy? Isn't our ability to adapt to changes what has hoisted mankind to the top of the ladder? Is a refusal to change in fact a death sentence?


    CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Cheney: Mistake for GOP to ‘moderate’ - Blogs from CNN.com
    "This is about fundamental beliefs and values and ideas … what the role of government should be in our society, and our commitment to the Constitution and constitutional principles," Cheney said in an interview with North Dakota radio host Scott Hennen Thursday, according to a transcript.

    "You know, when you add all those things up, the idea that we ought to moderate basically means we ought to fundamentally change our philosophy,"

    Huckabee warns GOP could become 'irrelevant'
    In an interview with the California newspaper The Visalia Times-Delta, Huckabee said the GOP would only further decline in influence should it alienate social conservatives — largely considered the most energetic and loyal faction of the party.

    "Throw the social conservatives the pro-life, pro-family people overboard and the Republican party will be as irrelevant as the Whigs," he said in reference to the American political party that largely disbanded in the mid 1800s.


    But unless you throw them overboard there simply is NO WAY to broaden your appeal. It is that faction alone that turns off a lot of voters especially city dwellers which you cannot win an election without. Sounds lose lose to me.
     
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    That's just brilliant. Let them to continue to alienate the groups that increasingly turn elections: blue collar workers, Latinos and other 'minorities', gays, young people, women, etc...and we'll watch as rock-ribbed Republicans become more and more marginalized and politically irrelevant. How is a party whose image is one of "old, rich, white men" going to attract voters? That's a winning strategy if I ever heard one.
     
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    I hope the GOP takes Cheney's advice.....
     
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    I have to agree with Nick....the demographic trends do not favor sticking to the tried and true for the GOP. Hopefully, they will take Cheney's advice, however, and suffer the consequences.
     
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    go Chaney...................for the good of the grand old party. hehehehe
     
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    "Stay the course."

    Didn't work then, isn't gonna work now. What a fuckin' maroon. :rolleyes:
     
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    Further proof that Cheney and his ilk lack any measure of intelligence.

    And why would we allow people too stupid to assess the success or failure of their own actions to have any authority at all?

    Obama should release the dogs and allow Justice to launch a full on investigation of Cheney, his influence, and his financial shenanigans, as well as his involvement in trying to lipstick the pig of torture.

    Investigate the hell out of everyone he had contact with and tell them all the ONLY path to immunity is the truth about who ordered what.

    And then use the collected evidence to convict the twisted sick fuck of treason.
    And have him shot by a firing squad composed of Veterans maimed by the war he lied to get us in to.

    Maybe that would shut the stupid fuck up.
     
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    I hardly think that moderate republicans are at Dick Cheney's beck and call.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Cheney is pathetic in so many ways. He's a reactionary fear-monger who I'm sure is irritating his party no end by not shutting the fuck-up and retiring to play golf somewhere. His endless rants about Bush's non-pardon of Scooter Libby displays no class what-so-ever by making him an apologist for criminals.

    The page has turned, he's irrelevant, and he hasn't noticed yet. He's not getting invites to anything party-related because the GOP is aware he's likely the most unpopular politician living today in the US. Every time he opens his mouth he damages the Republican party. The GOP were fools to continue to support Bush and Cheney after the second mid-terms and now they're reaping what they've sown.
     
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    Believe it or not I actually once admired Cheney. As Secretary of Defense during the Bush I years I thought he was a calm pragmatic experienced voice in all situations. But I guess that was before he was killed by his identical evil twin brother who took his place. Either that or his body was snatched by aliens. He seems completely unrecognizable from the Bush I years.
     
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    He's old and I think his failing heart -- I feel like Michael Corleone here, "He's been dying of the same heart attack for twenty years," -- has effected his mind. He doesn't seem aware that he's been tossed on the trash because the public mindset has changed. What did he thinks happens to ex-vice presidents who don't make good as president? Pols are like celebrities in this respect. His time is over and he just doesn't realize it yet.
     
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    Alas you are right.

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Frustrated Scowcroft Assails Neo-Cons, Cheney[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Of Cheney, who worked closely with Scowcoft as secretary of defence under Bush I and White House chief of staff under Ford, Scowcroft expressed bewilderment. "The real anomaly in the administration is Cheney," he said. "I consider Cheney a good friend -- I've known him for 30 years. But Dick Cheney I don't know anymore." [/FONT]
     
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    The GOP "Big Tent" consists, primarily, of republicans, conservatives and independents (independents who have largely fled).

    The conservatives feel themselves to be superior to mere "republicans" in every way. Republicans are often derided by conservatives as "RINOs" or CINOs.

    But conservative themselves are not a unified bloc of people. There are financial conservatives, social conservatives (evangelicals who care almost exclusively about social issues and are anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-stem-cell research, anti-Darwin), and foreign policy conservatives. Most of these conservatives are not on the same page. Some foreign policy conservatives are isolationists, some are neo-cons.

    With such a motley crew of factions banding together to win an election (coalitions under a "Big Tent"), I'm surprised it held together for as long as it did (over 2 decades) before falling apart.

    There is no way these schisms between GOP moderates (John McCain, Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal, Charlie Crist, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Jeb Bush, etc) and between "true conservatives" (Rush Limbaugh, Tony Perkins of the "Family Research Council", Newt Gingrich, James Inhofe, Jim DeMint, Saxby Chambliss) can glue themselves back together to unify (to win elections). The schisms have become deep and led to personal attacks on each other.

    I'm often amazed individual factions haven't split off from the host cell to form a third party -- but, of course, that would render everybody involved even more politically unviable than they are now.
     
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    Just saw this on Politico.com:

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    The GOP's problem is twofold. First, we just concluded a period of history in which the GOP ran everything. And they did it really badly. They were corrupt and incompetent. They led us into an unnecessary and costly war; they got themselves embroiled in an endless string of scandals; and they presided over an epic economic collapse. People remember all those things very vividly and it has badly damaged the Republican brand.

    But that's only half of the GOP's problem. The reason the Republican Party continues to bleed members has much more to do with the general attitude of the party's political and intellectual leaders than anything else. Rather than admit to any mistakes or take even the slightest bit of responsibility for the state of the country, they insist on blaming everyone but themselves. Americans watch TV and they see a very intelligent, charismatic President who says a lot of very reasonable sounding things and exudes competence. And then they see a bunch of angry conservatives and Republicans who insist that that same man is some sort of evil communist who's going to destroy the country. In other words, the problem is not the ideas, but the attitude. Republicans are coming across as a bunch of obnoxious, unreasonable a-holes. When you've just been voted out of power for manifest incompetence and your opponents are led by a very popular and reasonable-sounding person, you don't have the luxury of acting smug and uncompromising all the time. You have to acknowledge error and show some humility. You have to act civilly. You have to at least try to appear pragmatic and reasonable. But the GOP is not interested in doing any of these things. Those who are left in the party are ultra-partisan and utterly convinced of their own infallibility and moral righteousness. Until they lose that attitude and general combativeness, it won't matter what their ideas are. They'll just keep turning people off.
     
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    [QOTE=starinvestor;2124112]I hardly think that moderate republicans are at Dick Cheney's beck and call.

    :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Dear Star: What you "hardly think" is completely moot on the subject of Cheney or the GOP. You've claimed not to be a goose-stepping member of the good ol' GOP, but even with the new found "moderation" in your posts you continue suffer from an obvious case of Irritable Rush Limbowel syndrome. But you are not alone. Your brothers-in-smarms who still can't accept the defeat of McCain and the moose shootin' hockey mom suffer as much or worse from the same colonic distress and verbal flatulence. For example, Faceking or the permanently-on-ignore he/she/and the Holy it person -- to name at least two.

    But we still love you, (not enough to kill for you), but we "love" you. After all, it's the "sin" we hate, not the sinner. :smile:
     
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    Ah, but Billy Boy, the GOP has been "glued" together by the same bits of trash much longer than 20 years. Rumsfeld and Cheney, to name just two of a whole passel of young "old white men" were goofin' in the halls and wings of the White House during Nixon's attempt to spin his situation into a Shakespearean tragedy. However, I personally feel that the average US citizen was much more intelligent in 1973 than the poor souls wandering the streets of today's 'Mericuh.

    And don't forget the illegal brush fire presidency of Warren G. Harding (managed by "The Duchess), and the Do Nothing presidency of Herbert Hoover whose unwillingness to finance business (banks) and employment throught federal intervention lost him the Presidency to Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1932. The last Republican President to have had a real conscience was most likely Eisenhower who should have fired his speech writers and addressed the US public directly, from the hip, in his own words.

    Sadly, if anyone today even has a clue about the Teapot Dome Scandal, it's probably a westerner such as myself, who was trained from an early age never to buy gas at a Sinclair Oil gas station and why. Ironically, Harry Sinclair's old oil company now outright owns the Green Teapot Dome oil reserves and no longer has to bribe public officials to "lease" them.

    Ah, the good ol' GOP. They seem to have forgotten that Independents, not just elephants, never forget. :cool:
     
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    Precisely.

    I still can't believe that none of the Republicans are understanding and/or heeding this.
     
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    Plenty of them understand it, and have left the party before the ship sinks...

    Plenty more would desperately like to fix it... but are hobbled by 20 years of success at a polarizing message that has distilled down to hatred purely for the sake of hating...
    They no longer make arguments, no longer voice policy... no longer even consider the opinions of others... they gainsay and deride because they they have so clearly failed, its all they have left.....

    They had such success by pitting Americans against each other and promulgating fear... but people always get inured to fear...
    eventually...

    They have made their own party such a caricature, that the only realistic course would be for the moderate conservatives to form a NEW party... all on their own and let Rush become the Ralph Nader of the lunatic fringe right.

    Hopefully, some smart group of reasonable conservatives will realize that a new conservative party would immediately take the lead over the GOP, simply by being the first to stand up and call Limbaugh a fat stupid fuck who ought to be ignored.


    Let the GOP continue its slide into becoming exclusively the party of the ignorant, authoritarian racists and xenophobes. A group that gets smaller every year.
     
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    Cheney just gets better and better. Today he says:

    Cheney Prefers Limbaugh Over Powell

    Asked about recent verbal broadsides between Limbaugh and Powell, Cheney said, "If I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I'd go with Rush Limbaugh. My take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn't know he was still a Republican."

     
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    What's even more interesting is that Colin Powell, if I recall, hasn't even decided to leave the Republican party and become a Democrat. All he did was endorse Obama during the presidential election. That's all it takes these days for a Republican to be bastardized by the GOP? It's like DADT without the dick sucking. :eek: :biggrin:

    If this isn't a clear clue as to how much the Republican Party is melting down, I don't know what else to say. I do have to admit, however, it is funny to watch the remaining members of the GOP vote people off their stage like it's an episode of American Idol. And with Miss California as the new bouncy beauty in the picture, they could replace her with the aging Palin in the same way they're using some new, youthful girl to try and replace Paula Abdul. I swear, this gets more entertaining by the second.
     
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