Oh so now they want the blacks back, do they?(Seminoles)
Yeh...In the bottom of link article below, she mention the Seminoles in 2000...
Race Relations - Exploring Group Relations and the Dynamics of Race
Oh so now they want the blacks back, do they?(Seminoles)
Oh, that's the fucking surprise of the century, right?<...>
And its not the 1st time this happened, in 2000 the Seminoles...: "in 2000 the Seminole Nation also expelled freedmen, but the federal Government then refused to recognise the Seminoles as a sovereign nation. Faced with such a loss of status, they accepted the freedmen back."
T Anyone can leave a reservation. But not just anyone can get in. Otherwise everyone would try to move into one.
---We know reservations are poor etc, but how they get money to build casinos and stuff? Dont they receive money from federal gov? Its not tax payers money? ---
Call me simpleminded or naively optimistic, but I don't believe this shit will ever stop until our public institutions stop legitimizing racial segregations.
When there is no longer any legal definition anywhere of white, black, hispanic, native American, etc...and when there is no longer any benefit (tangible or percieved) to being able to qualify oneself along such lines...only then are we likely to see a social progression away from racism. And much like Kuhn's notion of paradigm shifts through revolution, don't expect such change to manifest itself in the present population. A sweeping alteration in public policy will go a long way toward raising the next generations of kids to be "color blind", but a couple generations of living adults will likely take their existing racist attitudes with them to their graves.
Yeah, reservations are fantastic. Just look at how happy the Indians are who live on them. Considering everything the suicide rates are remarkably low. and you're right, those treaties were totally lopsided in the Indian's favor. Man, whitefolks really shafted themselves on those. You're so full of insight.
Another thing...you may can not see the NA blood in a black person because black is dominant but for sure you can see the white in a NA because of the blue eyes etc and they may have the same % of mixing NA in them, mixing is going on for a very long time...what is hot and cool.![]()
I am so going to hell for the LMAO I had to this.
Most people don't know what a Native American person looks like. Because of that, they can't tell when someone is part Native American.
One of the annoying things that I have to put up with is that many people see my NA features and assume that they come from another group (European, African), but people who are NA generally notice that I have "Cherokee eyes" and my skin color is rather NA. I always tell people that I could tell that they're part Native American because of the "peachy tint to your skin".
I once had a black girl tell me that I wasn' dark enough to be Cherokee, but whenever I tell my friends who are Cherokee or know people who are Cherokee that, they always tell me that most Cherokee people are my color.
Danerain,
I think you have an interesting point there. Why would people assume that all native americans are monolithic? The Movies and TV. The interesting thing is that since the Cherokees themselves have been mixing with Whites for centuries might there not be a bit of color mixing as well? I guess the thing that angers me most and caused this whole thread is that I find racism is tending to go one way. I dare not say more but it is enough to make anyone just throw up their hands and run screaming into the night.
My maternal grandmother always identified herself as being GeeChee. It never occurred to us to ask her about it unless her siblings were around and they started talking in the Gullah language which we didn't understand.
My maternal great-great grandfather was a full blooded Cherokee who married a free born Black woman. He owned property in South Carolina. Some parcels have been sold off since the initial purchase in 1813 but about 14 acres still remain in our family today.
I only recently found out about this and find it amazing that some of my ancestors managed to avoid the "Trail of Tears" as well as slavery. I guess that explains my naturally egalitarian style and patrician sense of self :wink:.
So my question is where do I fit into all this, if at all. It appears I am about to be cut out of a rich cultural heritage I've only known about a little while. :frown1:
You are not being told you cannot say you are of Cherokee heritage. The vote is to define their nation according to their own standards and not what was forced on them by a retaliatory action of the government. I still don't see how anyone could have screamed about apartheid in South Africa but not act the least bit concerned about what is still being done to the indigenous people of this continent. Until my immune system went nuts, I had the Cherokee coloring. I have naturally dark olive skin. What I didn't get were the tiny eyes and black hair. My mom and her dad had those. I did get something else from them too. Just call me "Tonto Goldstein" hahaha
You are not being told you cannot say you are of Cherokee heritage. The vote is to define their nation according to their own standards and not what was forced on them by a retaliatory action of the government. I still don't see how anyone could have screamed about apartheid in South Africa but not act the least bit concerned about what is still being done to the indigenous people of this continent. Until my immune system went nuts, I had the Cherokee coloring. I have naturally dark olive skin. What I didn't get were the tiny eyes and black hair. My mom and her dad had those. I did get something else from them too. Just call me "Tonto Goldstein" hahaha