Children at Abu Ghraib

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  1. mindseye

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    News outlets in other countries are reporting that children are being held at Abu Ghraib prison, and that some of them were abused during the shameful scandal that we learned about this year. Only the first two linked pages in the list below are in English.

    TV2 (Norway)
    Radio Australia
    Report Mainz (Germany)
    Der Spiegel (Germany)
    NTK (Norway)

    Mainstream US media seems not to have caught on yet. No wonder Rumsfeld fought so hard to keep the rest of the pictures secret.
     
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    Salon.com[09:51 PDT, July 15, 2004]


    Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape



    After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse.

    Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it. The speech was first reported in a New York Sun story last week, which was in turn posted on Jim Romenesko's media blog, and now EdCone.com and other blogs are linking to the video. We transcribed the critical section here (it starts at about 1:31:00 into the ACLU video.) At the start of the transcript here, you can see how Hersh was struggling over what he should say:

    "Debating about it, ummm ... Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

    "It's impossible to say to yourself how did we get there? Who are we? Who are these people that sent us there? When I did My Lai I was very troubled like anybody in his right mind would be about what happened. I ended up in something I wrote saying in the end I said that the people who did the killing were as much victims as the people they killed because of the scars they had, I can tell you some of the personal stories by some of the people who were in these units witnessed this. I can also tell you written complaints were made to the highest officers and so we're dealing with a enormous massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there and higher, and we have to get to it and we will. We will. You know there's enough out there, they can't (Applause). .... So it's going to be an interesting election year."

    Notes from a similar speech Hersh gave in Chicago in June were posted on Brad DeLong's blog. Rick Pearlstein, who watched the speech, wrote: "[Hersh] said that after he broke Abu Ghraib people are coming out of the woodwork to tell him this stuff. He said he had seen all the Abu Ghraib pictures. He said, 'You haven't begun to see evil...' then trailed off. He said, 'horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run.' He looked frightened."

    So, there are several questions here: Has Hersh actually seen the video he described to the ACLU, and why hasn't he written about it yet? Will he be forced to elaborate in more public venues now that these two speeches are getting so much attention, at least in the blogosphere? And who else has seen the video, if it exists -- will journalists see and report on it? did senators see these images when they had their closed-door sessions with the Abu Ghraib evidence? -- and what is being done about it?

    -- Geraldine Sealey
     
  3. jonb

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    At this point, I suggest we deal with Rummy the same way he ordered the Abu Ghraib prisoners dealt with.
     
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    Can you imagine the horror and pain of the mothers who saw their sons stripped, subdued and sodomized? oh yea, the little boys were calling for their mothers to save them. In this round Satan won.

    Now I am only ashamed, but tomorrow I hope to be mad as Hell.

    jay
     
  5. jonb

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    I hope everyone's mad as hell at election day and we get enough Democrats in office that we can actually prosecute Rummy.
     
  6. D_Humper E Bogart

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    "And there was I thinking there was sex to be had down there. Pfft, I can't join the army now! I have standards."

    Okay, I'm being sarcastic, no flames please.
     
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    Silly boy, you can't prosecute Republicans!
     
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    Silly boy, you can't prosecute Republicans! [/b][/quote]
    Exactly why I said enough Democrats in office.
     
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    In today's news:

    "President Bush vowed Friday to crack down at home and abroad on human trafficking, calling it "one of the worst offenses against human dignity," and accused Cuban President Fidel Castro of encouraging the growth of sex tourism. . ."

    So, Mr. President, "Are Justice Department investigators working around the clock to uncover and prosecute the evil-doers at Abu Ghraib as war crimminals?"

    jay
     
  10. Imported

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    BRMSTN69: I really don't know what goes on in Cuba, but I've often heard that Castro doe's a good job running the country,that the people are well fed and educated but I also hear about the oppresion. So I don't know what to think.Maybe DMW can give us some first hand info on the subjuct.
     
  11. jonb

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    Well, all I know is the reason the US is mad at Cuba: Castro forced the mafia out.
     
  12. madame_zora

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    I doubt if he would be mad about it at all if it weren't for the fact that it gave him a black eye in an election year.
     
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