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All of the NBA's official Chinese partners have suspended ties with the league

The gist of the situation is that the general manger for the Houston Rockets wrote a tweet in support of the Hong Kong protesters. This angered the Chinese and now they're cutting ties with the NBA. You can read more in the above link.

What do you guys think of this situation? China is using its economic influence to silence citizens of foreign countries. Do you think this is OK? How will this affect the relations between China and other nations in the future?
 
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All of the NBA's official Chinese partners have suspended ties with the league

The gist of the situation is that the general manger for the Houston Rockets wrote a tweet in support of the Hong Kong protesters. This angered the Chinese and now they're cutting ties with the NBA. You can read more in the above link.

What do you guys think of this situation? China is using its economic influence to silence citizens of foreign countries. Do you think this is OK? How will this affect the relations between China and other nations in the future?
If China does it, can you blame them?
The USA and Europe did it all the time.

Not always to silence single persons, but to make sure that economical and political interests are protected. Usually we don't attack single persons, but whole states and societies.

(Sometimes it hits single persons, like Aristoteles Onassis)

If you ask me if I like that China does ir, I would say no.
China is a dictatorship, with a social system I don't prefer...
 

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If China does it, can you blame them?
The USA and Europe did it all the time.

Not always to silence single persons, but to make sure that economical and political interests are protected. Usually we don't attack single persons, but whole states and societies.

(Sometimes it hits single persons, like Aristoteles Onassis)

If you ask me if I like that China does ir, I would say no.
China is a dictatorship, with a social system I don't prefer...

Of course it is a normal thing for countries to protect their interests. All countries do some version of this, but to almost ban an entire company because of the tweet of a single person seems a bit excessive, no? What will happen to freedom of speech as China continues to grow more powerful? South Park is already banned in China because of a recent episode that criticized China. What if a China decided to force the issue and try to get South Park cancelled? Where does it stop?
 

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Of course it is a normal thing for countries to protect their interests. All countries do some version of this, but to almost ban an entire company because of the tweet of a single person seems a bit excessive, no? What will happen to freedom of speech as China continues to grow more powerful? South Park is already banned in China because of a recent episode that criticized China. What if a China decided to force the issue and try to get South Park cancelled? Where does it stop?
I totally get your worries.

It's the combination of economical force and political system of China that can threaten absolutely everything we are used to.

The ban of companies is just one and very crude aay to get what you want.
In the future China will simply set standards everyone will have to follow, if they want to trade with China.

A few years ago the USA changed its laws how foreigners are allowed to enter the USA. This changed the way most nations create their passport and collect biometric data.
Now imagen China would create similar laws, but would demand a social bonus system similar to the one they install in China right now.
What do you think. How long could Europe and the USA withstand?


And companies already stopped to criticize China. A few days ago I watched a report from the USA. More and more companies complain about chinese industrial espionage. They report it and complain that this is an untenable situation, but at the same time they tell the US gov and agencies NOT to act. They fear that they could lose access to China.

They fear the loss of access more as espionage. What do you think they think about criticising China?
 

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I totally get your worries.

It's the combination of economical force and political system of China that can threaten absolutely everything we are used to.

The ban of companies is just one and very crude aay to get what you want.
In the future China will simply set standards everyone will have to follow, if they want to trade with China.

A few years ago the USA changed its laws how foreigners are allowed to enter the USA. This changed the way most nations create their passport and collect biometric data.
Now imagen China would create similar laws, but would demand a social bonus system similar to the one they install in China right now.
What do you think. How long could Europe and the USA withstand?


And companies already stopped to criticize China. A few days ago I watched a report from the USA. More and more companies complain about chinese industrial espionage. They report it and complain that this is an untenable situation, but at the same time they tell the US gov and agencies NOT to act. They fear that they could lose access to China.

They fear the loss of access more as espionage. What do you think they think about criticising China?

It is a return to the mentality behind the tribute system.
 
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And companies already stopped to criticize China. A few days ago I watched a report from the USA. More and more companies complain about chinese industrial espionage. They report it and complain that this is an untenable situation, but at the same time they tell the US gov and agencies NOT to act. They fear that they could lose access to China.

We once thought by engaging with China would change China. Now we know that was a horrific miscalculation. Capitalism and its inherent greed has only turbocharged the authoritarian regime. And now we have few tools leff to contain it's form of authoritarianism from becoming a model for despots around the world.

Dealing With China Isn’t Worth the Moral Cost
We thought economic growth and technology would liberate China. Instead, it corrupted us.


 

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All of the NBA's official Chinese partners have suspended ties with the league

The gist of the situation is that the general manger for the Houston Rockets wrote a tweet in support of the Hong Kong protesters. This angered the Chinese and now they're cutting ties with the NBA. You can read more in the above link.

What do you guys think of this situation? China is using its economic influence to silence citizens of foreign countries. Do you think this is OK? How will this affect the relations between China and other nations in the future?

Do you ever watch South Park? Just asking because last week's episode was about this broader topic (the extent to which free speech in America is being curtailed because of the interest that American businesses have in maintaining access to that authoritarian market).

It's not just the headliner issues like this tiff with the NBA, but also a great deal of the media we consume has been pre-censored without much notice from the public to make sure it's palatable to the Chinese government
 
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Btw, if you want to see the interesting directions this stuff goes, read this.

Protestors are trying to get Overwatch banned in China, using memes of popular hero Mei
Overwatch hero Mei is being turned into a symbol of resistance

People are furious after Blizzard Entertainment suspended Hearthstone player Chung “blitzchung” Ng Wai for expressing support for Hong Kong during an official tournament broadcast. Gamers are calling for a boycott of Blizzard games — and now, some are turning Overwatch hero Mei into a symbol of the Hong Kong resistance.

A post yesterday on the r/HongKong subreddit suggested people turn Mei, a Chinese Overwatch hero, into a “pro-democracy symbol” to get “Blizzard’s games banned in China.” (China already censors Winnie the Pooh after the internet began associating the character with president Xi Jinping.) The post has been upvoted more than 12,000 times, and has more than 300 comments, plenty of which are images of Mei supporting Hong Kong. The movement has spread outward into Twitter and elsewhere.
 

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Do you ever watch South Park? Just asking because last week's episode was about this broader topic (the extent to which free speech in America is being curtailed because of the interest that American businesses have in maintaining access to that authoritarian market).

It's not just the headliner issues like this tiff with the NBA, but also a great deal of the media we consume has been pre-censored without much notice from the public to make sure it's palatable to the Chinese government

I did watch that episode of South Park and I am aware of the way China is influencing our entertainment. We're at the beginning stages of it now, but I expect China to become the center of popular culture and culture in general within our lifetime.

It will be a seismic shift that I wish I could live long enough to see it play out.
 
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I did watch that episode of South Park and I am aware of the way China is influencing our entertainment. We're at the beginning stages of it now, but I expect China to become the center of popular culture and culture in general within our lifetime.

It will be a seismic shift that I wish I could live long enough to see it play out.

In the end the shift you refer to has been driven by money - capitalism made China dominant - not because it changed China from an authoritarian regime but that greed motivated the US to sell itself like a whore for money.
 
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I did watch that episode of South Park and I am aware of the way China is influencing our entertainment. We're at the beginning stages of it now, but I expect China to become the center of popular culture and culture in general within our lifetime.

It will be a seismic shift that I wish I could live long enough to see it play out.
I love South Park... I will have to watch it more regularly again.
 

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In the end the shift you refer to has been driven by money - capitalism made China dominant - not because it changed China from an authoritarian regime but that greed motivated the US to sell itself like a whore for money.

It's always money that brings about these kinds of changes. That is nothing new. The reason why this move East will be such a huge change is because this will be the first time where the center of global culture isn't been a Western nation.

That is a fundamental change that will affect everything on a level that I don't think most people appreciate.
 
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What do you guys think of this situation? China is using its economic influence to silence citizens of foreign countries. Do you think this is OK? How will this affect the relations between China and other nations in the future?

NBA is one big collection of hypocrites.

In 2016, the NBA used its muscle to move an All-Star Game in response to a gender-bathroom issue. Apparently they weren't going to lose money by undertaking the action, so they moved the game.

In 2019, the statement of one owner, exercising his right to freedom of speech, causes a ruckus in China, who has more NBA fans (and buys more licensed NBA merchandise) than the US has people. Fearing financial hardship, they put the blinders on, and cow down to the totalitarians. China will have nothing with dissent. It doesn't exist. (They banned some TV show that showed spoiled rich kids, apparently in an effort to show that Chinese people don't live like the Americans who are shown on 'Real Housewives'.)

Fans have been thrown out of exhibition games for expressing Freedom of Speech.

'Free Hong Kong' signs confiscated at Wizards basketball game

https://nypost.com/2019/10/10/how-the-nba-censored-me-on-american-soil/

China is not using its influence to silence citizens of another country. It's using its financial muscle to get their way (to prevent dissent at home), and financially punishing those who are not on "their side" and are simply addicted to China's money.

The NBA puts the dollar ahead of values.

Hypocrites. That's all they are.
 
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NBA is one big collection of hypocrites.

In 2016, the NBA used its muscle to move an All-Star Game in response to a gender-bathroom issue. Apparently they weren't going to lose money by undertaking the action, so they moved the game.

In 2019, the statement of one owner, exercising his right to freedom of speech, causes a ruckus in China, who has more NBA fans (and buys more licensed NBA merchandise) than the US has people. Fearing financial hardship, they put the blinders on, and cow down to the totalitarians. China will have nothing with dissent. It doesn't exist. (They banned some TV show that showed spoiled rich kids, apparently in an effort to show that Chinese people don't live like the Americans who are shown on 'Real Housewives'.)

Fans have been thrown out of exhibition games for expressing Freedom of Speech.

'Free Hong Kong' signs confiscated at Wizards basketball game

https://nypost.com/2019/10/10/how-the-nba-censored-me-on-american-soil/

China is not using its influence to silence citizens of another country. It's using its financial muscle to get their way (to prevent dissent at home), and financially punishing those who are not on "their side" and are simply addicted to China's money.

The NBA puts the dollar ahead of values.

Hypocrites. That's all they are.

Basically correct.
 

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And I wonder if those fans would have gotten ejected had they protested Trump and/or demanded his impeachment...

(Sorry, missed the edit window)

If that would hurt their bottom line, then yes. The NBA is a business and they are concerned with making money and to be fair, for the employees and others who work with the NBA, a substantial loss of revenue could be very bad and negatively affect the lives of a lot of people.
 
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The NBA puts the dollar ahead of values.

Do you know what companies have put values ahead of access to the Chinese market? I'm not aware of many. "Greed is good. Greed is right. Greed works." Don't forget that. Ever.

One of the world's largest e-commerce websites shut down by request..


Marriott International is apologizing to the Chinese government — and changing its practices — after coming under fire for listing Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet and Macau as stand-alone countries on an email questionnaire it sent to members of its rewards program.

The apology comes after the Chinese government, which maintains that those locations are part of China, requested Marriott shut down its six Chinese websites and apps as punishment, and Marriott complied.

China asked Marriott to shut down its website. The company complied.
 
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It will be a seismic shift that I wish I could live long enough to see it play out.

Really? By all indications planet Earth will be a living hell. This planet is on an express ticket to hell thanks to humanity. I don't want to be around for any of it.