China is drilling for oil less than 60 miles from Florida

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I agree, it would be in our country's best interest to be one of the first energy independent countries, but that isn't going to happen over night, not in America at least. The WIDESREAD public concern over this issue has only been on the table for MAYBE 5 or 6 years, that's hardly enough time for the development of truly revolutionary techology. Take "hybrid" cars for example. They use a new technology, but it isn't a good enough to cause a large enough demand in the market for companies to make a profit, or for an entire nation to say "OK, now THIS is a good product" like gasoline powered automobile did when they were introduced to the market. The only way for this to happen relatively quick is for the government to mandate certain specifications to auto manufacturers, but the problem with this is again, there hasn't been a technology developed yet that is good enough to solve the problem.

Yes, our government could invest money into developing new techonologies, and they are, but the problem with creating a government program for this is that many government programs flat out suck. Leaving this problem to the entrepreneurs, chemists, physicists, and the such of this country will produce far better results than any government ran program.

And then we have to remember that once a viable new technology has been discovered and implemented in new vehicles, it is going to take AT LEAST 10 years for the entire American market to respond. No matter how this problem is handled, it is going to take at least 15-20 years for this country to become energy independent.

...not to mention once we find a solution, it isn't going to solve a worldwide problem. Shit, half of the world is still living like America was in the year 1890...just imagine how long it is going to take some of these countries to change, especially the poor ones who will being receiving all of our old cars...

The problem with Hybrid cars isn't the lack of demand, it's the damn price tag on the supply. Sure, you can save $160/mo cutting your fuel consumption in half. But what good is it when you have to tack an extra $100/mo onto your car payments and extend from a 36 month to a 60 month lease? Let's not forget about the increased insurance on more expensive cars. So then it comes down to a matter of "going green." The wealthier who can afford these cars will typically go with the simpler gas-power car, unless they're in the public eye and want to save face or redevelop their reputation. If a Hybrid engine could be built into a standard car with a significantly diminished price increase, plenty more people would buy them.

Also, ground-breaking technological research is typically federally funded in some way or another. It's just that the people working on them are generally more competent than the more commonly known workings of our government such as... oh for example... Congress. That's the beautiful thing about science (outside of bastard-sciences like sociology), it's quantitative. There's no ethics or conflict of interest in a measurement or an outcome. Makes it easier for them to be effective in their works since all that matters is quantifying the results, no worries about The New York Times questioning their morals and whether they should be allowed in a laboratory. But then it's left to the federal government to decide how to use these new advents. The more a politician is in the public eye, typically the weaker their stance on a weighty ethical issue, so as to not lose too much face with too large a crowd. And that's when we get into the decades of clusterfucking. If the scientists, the ones who were most aware of its potential, determined such things, our world would be moving right along the path of technological evolution.

Still, if we just fucking drill in Alaska, we'll have enough domestic oil to carry us through those decades of clusterfucking. Let's face it, that will happen sooner than a team of chemists, with the aid of an ethics committee none of whom are elected officials, being allowed to determine how their newly developed technology is distributed and used in the market. You know, even though it's sort of a contradiction to capitalism, depending on how you view it. They develop it, but the federal government decides how it's used and makes the most money off of it. Lovely, ain't it.
 

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In his mild defense, it's still just under $4 (between $3.80 and $3.90) for a gallon of regular unleaded in many areas. Granted, I'd bet that it's above $4 in DC though.

No, actually it's risen past $4.00 to $4.039 as of 6/09/2008 according to the USA Department of Energy. The man is an idiot or he is a great liar. Most likely he's both.

The information is even on this Federal Agency's Home Page. All that asshole would have to do is read his memos or do a simple Google Search as I have done. Oh, I keep forgetting that he might not be able to read. It might have to be read for him.
 
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Well well, it appears Cuba IS planning to drill for offshore oil. But it's a Spanish co. rather than a Chinese one doing the drilling. [I'd read elsewhere that the Chinese were involved with exploration, so I guess that's how they got implicated.]

BBC NEWS | Americas | Cuba claims massive oil reserves
Mr Tenreyro said he expected the first production well to be drilled before the middle of next year by a consortium led by the Spanish oil company, Repsol, and that more wells could be started before 2010.
Even if Florida doesn't drill, there might be oil wells ~100 miles from Miami Beach.
 

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Makes you wonder if the cluelessness is an act and a lot of the Neocons know exactly what is going on with the global warming and the infrastructure failing--and they're gathering enough cash and land and weapons to ride it out until it's safe to poke their heads out of the bunker.

Bingo. Glad that someone else sees this.
 

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We live in a very wacky world when it comes to energy poilicy but this takes the prize. China is drilling in offshore Cuba for oil. :eek:
Are you green or are you practical?

If you imagine that drilling for oil- or extracting it from shale will affect price by more than s few cents per gallon, then you are the one who is being impractical.


OIL is the PROBLEM- not the solution.

You should read up on what the OIL COMPANIES have to say about peaking oil production ( after which, NO amount of drilling or shale extraction will result in MORE oil being available)

Or- read up what they say about oil from ANWR AND offshore drilling- that full and fastest exploitation of these sources will, in EIGHT YEAR"S TIME, drop the cost of gas by FOUR CENTS a gallon.
And that's ASSUMING world deman in no greater than it is now.


FACE it... if China and India want a standard of living even close to ours, they are going to become the worlds LARGEST consumers of oil.

We are ALREADY in a situation where Demand is growing faster than supply can keep up... that will inexorably drive prices up... and the only way to keep the speculators at bay will be to NATIONALIZE ( i.e. socialize) the oil industry.



You want to be practical?
Spread the word and write your congressmen to tell them, Solar is ready NOW, Geothermal, Nuclear, Wind, hydro, Tidal- are ALL mature technologies...

The US NEEDS to start investing in a FUTURE industry... AND we need to reduce our reliance on oil... reduce our reliance on foreign oil suppliers...

We need a NEW energy infrastructure for POST oil world...

ANd when WE can supply the world with green energy solutions... OUR economy will thrive.

Drilling Now is the stupidest, least effective, and least strategic thing we can do with our time and attention.


YOU really wanna scare the Middle east into STOPPING their own religious extremists?
The greatest threat we can leverage against them is our own technological capability to make their one and only "product" passe.


We don't have TIME and we don't have MONEY to piss away a decade trying to hold back the economic tide of a dwindling supply of oil...

Global warming needs addressing NOW! Middle East dependancy needs to be addressed NOW! Our crumbling infrastructure and decimated employment markets need addresssing NOW!

Green ENERGY, Green cars, and a supeconducting electricity grid will SOLVE ALL of these problems in a single initiative.


Stop thinking so one dimensionally.
Stop hinging your hopes on the answers of the past and start pushing the future of US productivity and unlimited energy independance, NOW.
 

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that's sweet a socialist country with the assistance of another socialist country is drilliing for oil just off the coast of bankrupt capitalist america - oh the irony.