Chris Christie's Idea of "Shared Sacrifice"

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I'll now indulge in a bit of my sweet sarcasm here...read on, please.

Okay, okay, so it was just $70 billion in wealth that New Jersey lost between the years 2004 to 2008, due to the mass exodus of 300,000+ mostly affluent New Jersey residents, which also was back when Democrats had a complete legislative and gubernatorial stranglehold on New Jersey, but hey, that was no big deal, right, my fellow forum posters of the left-leaning persuasion?

As referenced above, New Jersey is still one of the wealthiest states in America anyway, so why even sweat that lost $70 billion in wealth? Why not just keep up with the "same ol' same ol'" lefty game plan that New Jersey has been going with over the last 40-some years, and just raise everybody's property taxes some more, along with the income taxes in New Jersey for everybody in the middle and upper income brackets some more, right? Those upper and middle income New Jersey taxpayers are all too rich anyway, right? We can even make some statements at press conferences which are indiscernible from the rhetoric of Karl Marx while doing all of this too, just like Jon Corzine often did while he was the governor of New Jersey, albeit for just one term before being soundly defeated at the polls by Chris Christie.

Speaking of the devil himself, that mean ol' fatty boombalatty Chris Christie sure has a lot of nerve trying to cut spending in New Jersey, right? I mean, he's just all about the rich people in New Jersey, people like all of those prominent and hardcore rich right-wingers in New Jersey, people like Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi - both of whom get their 100% legal property tax breaks from their respective "farming" pursuits upon their multiple acres of real estate which they own in New Jersey, but only when Jon Runyan does such a thing with his multiple acres in New Jersey does it garner any attention from a reporter with the Philadelphia Inquirer.

My goodness, it would be such an awful shame if a few hundred thousand New Jersey welfare recipients/possible illegal immigrants, as opposed to native-born New Jersey middle-class retirees, which the latter keep having to pay for the former's "affordable housing mandate" in New Jersey, felt that they had to move out of New Jersey instead, and into states with lower costs of living, right?

After all, nothing buys votes for New Jersey's Democrats from the perpetually dependent underclass in New Jersey like overly-generous and easily defrauded social safety nets, right?

Naturally, that mean ol' fatty boombalatty Chris Christie should have known better than to take on New Jersey's public sector and teacher unions - the Democrats do not like it when their number one source of money-laundered campaign cash gets exposed for what it is.
 
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I'll now indulge in a bit of my sweet sarcasm here...read on, please.

Sarcasm is the game now? Oh, I do love playing that game and I'm very good at it. Ask around sometime... my reputation precedes me.

Okay, okay, so it was just $70 billion in wealth that New Jersey lost between the years 2004 to 2008, due to the mass exodus of 300,000+ mostly affluent New Jersey residents, which also was back when Democrats had a complete legislative and gubernatorial stranglehold on New Jersey, but hey, that was no big deal, right, my fellow forum posters of the left-leaning persuasion?

Unless you can draw a real correlation between the $70 billion in losses with actual names of politicians that may have played a role in it, you have no argument. I don't deal with shallow generalizations here, so blaming this on "Democrats" as if every single one of them were at fault is infantile.

As referenced above, New Jersey is still one of the wealthiest states in America anyway, so why even sweat that lost $70 billion in wealth? Why not just keep up with the "same ol' same ol'" lefty game plan that New Jersey has been going with over the last 40-some years, and just raise everybody's property taxes some more, along with the income taxes in New Jersey for everybody in the middle and upper income brackets some more, right?

Your political bigotries are boring. Especially since none of it is on topic.
I thought I started this thread to talk about Chris Christie? Not for someone like you to rant and rave about how you hate liberals. :rolleyes:

Those upper and middle income New Jersey taxpayers are all too rich anyway, right? We can even make some statements at press conferences which are indiscernible from the rhetoric of Karl Marx while doing all of this too, just like Jon Corzine often did while he was the governor of New Jersey, albeit for just one term before being soundly defeated at the polls by Chris Christie.

Oh, so you do remember who the thread is about!! Congrats, your post is now 10% on topic and 90% irrelevant, politically bigoted bullshit. Now can we talk about Christie some more?

Speaking of the devil himself, that mean ol' fatty boombalatty Chris Christie sure has a lot of nerve trying to cut spending in New Jersey, right?

At the expense of the poor & working class, you damn right he does.

I mean, he's just all about the rich people in New Jersey, people like all of those prominent and hardcore rich right-wingers in New Jersey, people like Bruce Springsteen and Jon Bon Jovi - both of whom get their 100% legal property tax breaks from their respective "farming" pursuits upon their multiple acres of real estate which they own in New Jersey, but only when Jon Runyan does such a thing with his multiple acres in New Jersey does it garner any attention from a reporter with the Philadelphia Inquirer.

*CUE "PRICE IS RIGHT" LOSER HORNS*
Damn, and we were going on a roll too. One sentence of on topic discussion and then it's back to off-topic, politically bigoted bullshit. Now your post is about 5% on topic and sinking fast. :rolleyes:

My goodness, it would be such an awful shame if a few hundred thousand New Jersey welfare recipients/possible illegal immigrants, as opposed to native-born New Jersey middle-class retirees, which the latter keep having to pay for the former's "affordable housing mandate" in New Jersey, felt that they had to move out of New Jersey instead, and into states with lower costs of living, right?

Ooooh... more irrelevant, politically bigoted bullshit that has nothing to do with the thread topic. You're back to complete irrelevance again. Quick, say Chris Christie's name again and get some points!! :rolleyes:

After all, nothing buys votes for New Jersey's Democrats from the perpetually dependent underclass in New Jersey like overly-generous and easily defrauded social safety nets, right?

Gee, why don't you tell me the answer in a different thread that you start on your own?

Naturally, that mean ol' fatty boombalatty Chris Christie should have known better than to take on New Jersey's public sector and teacher unions - the Democrats do not like it when their number one source of money-laundered campaign cash gets exposed for what it is.

And he mentions Chris Christie once again for 10 more points.
However, since this my thread and I feel like being a bitch I'm docking you 100 just for wasting everyone's time with your last post. So now you owe us all one on-topic post regarding the thread subject, which is about cutting Medicaid spending to levels below the federal poverty line for a family of three and why anyone would think it's a good idea to do such a thing under the phony guise of "fiscal responsibility". And if you can do it without using the terms "left", "right", "liberal", "conservative", "Democrat", "Republican" or any of their misspelled slang-like pejoratives I may even give you a cookie. Otherwise, step aside and let the more sensible types discuss the subject at hand.
 

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@ VinylBoy: You can dissect my posts with your smarmy, cute, and condescending critiques all you want, but what you dismiss as "90% irrelevant, politically bigoted bullshit" is completely rooted in the real history of New Jersey's sorry and sordid political history. As I already said before - get back to me when even one non-fiction and comprehensive New York Times best-selling book gets written about the endemic culture of corruption that has existed for decades in "red" states like Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, or, take your pick for all I care - only New Jersey carries this dubious distinction.

See this book's website here: The Soprano State, Bob Ingle and Sandy McClure
It's also on Amazon here: Amazon.com: The Soprano State: New Jersey's Culture of Corruption (9780312368944): Bob Ingle, Sandy McClure: Books

New Jersey's deficit woes were not created overnight, or by mistake, either. They are rather instead totally owned by a myriad of Democrat politicians and labor union bosses in New Jersey with all of their wasteful, abusive, and corrupt practices over the last 40+ years. If you want to have a conniption fit over that last sentence I wrote, then go ahead, be my guest, but then please try explaining to me why New Jersey's cities, ones such as Newark and Camden, used to be places where lucrative private-sector jobs (Jobs in New Jersey cities like the ones people in my family used to have) were plentiful and the norm, but are now mere shadows of their former selves instead, with Democrat mayors that have been either so corrupt (Milton Milan of Camden) that they had to be prosecuted by the federal government with multiple-count indictments, or so shameless (Corey Booker of Newark) that they have to play kissy-face with lefty billionaires (Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg) in order to get multi-million dollar handouts that will supposedly be used to prop up the failing citywide school system, plus provide 100% free ride college scholarships to the relatively low number of those students who actually graduate high school in said city?

Yes, I realize that you started this thread to bemoan one of Chris Christie's austerity measures and play the world's smallest violin for New Jersey's so-called "poor & working class," but how exactly did so gosh darn many of these poor folks wind up in an otherwise wealthy state such as New Jersey? How did they get so poor in the first place? It surely was not because of Chris Christie, nor anybody in New Jersey who is even remotely like him. No, the Democrats totally own that one, too, I'm afraid, and your whole class-warfare "the rich don't pay enough" rhetoric just will not wash with me here.
 
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(I was trying to delete this post altogether. The one below is the revised version thereof, to which I made a duplicate inadvertently.)
 
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Unless you can draw a real correlation between the $70 billion in losses with actual names of politicians that may have played a role in it, you have no argument. I don't deal with shallow generalizations here, so blaming this on "Democrats" as if every single one of them were at fault is infantile.

That $70 billion in lost wealth of former New Jersey residents was lost between the years 2004 - 2008. You want some names of politicians who "may have played a role" in this? Oh, I don't know...how about Jim McGreevey, Richard Codey, and Jon Corzine? All three of those Democrats served as governor during those years in question, and as far as I know, none of them were ever criticized by their ardent supporters in the labor unions of New Jersey for any reason whatsoever. In fact, Jon Corzine was even the boyfriend of a labor union boss in New Jersey (Karla Katz) at one point. Maybe that's why Jon Corzine stonewalled all efforts to disclose e-mails between himself and Karla Katz during a critical contract negotiation period between the state of New Jersey and the union which Karla Katz represented, but I digress. It's just a snippet of New Jersey's endemic culture of corruption anyway, but no big deal, other states have some corruption going on too, right, VinylBoy?

Now, getting back to this lost $70 billion in wealth for New Jersey overall - that wealth might not ever come back, especially if the individuals and families who possess it have moved to states like Florida or Texas, which are states with no income tax, unlike New Jersey. So, regardless of whatever tax revenue could be sucked out of this $70 billion by New Jersey's Democratic politicians/champions of Keynesian economic models and redistribution schemes, it still means that nobody who remains in New Jersey, either by fault or circumstance, will ever likely see any benefits of that lost wealth. No businesses, no charities, no houses of worship, nor any entrepreneurs in New Jersey will ever likely receive any of that lost revenue, which in turn would mean that New Jersey itself would lose whatever respective tax revenue from those individuals or entities, save the charities or houses of worship.
 
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@ VinylBoy: You can dissect my posts with your smarmy, cute, and condescending critiques all you want, but what you dismiss as "90% irrelevant, politically bigoted bullshit" is completely rooted in the real history of New Jersey's sorry and sordid political history. As I already said before - get back to me when even one non-fiction and comprehensive New York Times best-selling book gets written about the endemic culture of corruption that has existed for decades in "red" states like Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, or, take your pick for all I care - only New Jersey carries this dubious distinction.

Well, you're the one who wanted to try and get sarcastic around here beyond no reason besides wanting to use my thread for your irrelevant, off topic, politically bigoted garbage. And I say "try" since despite all of your efforts to have a point you wound up sounding more like a whiny, conservative shrill. You know what the hell this thread is supposed to be about. And until you decide to make a comment that is about the thread topic (or even partially related to the subject matter), I will continue to make fun of your sorry ass.

You're a little newbie around here... figure out how this game works before you try to play it. We can either have an on-topic discussion or we can play the dozens. Either way, you're not going to be able to make a more convincing argument or come off as more scathing than myself. Choose your next path carefully because I would much rather talk about the issues.

Yes, I realize that you started this thread to bemoan one of Chris Christie's austerity measures and play the world's smallest violin for New Jersey's so-called "poor & working class," but how exactly did so gosh darn many of these poor folks wind up in an otherwise wealthy state such as New Jersey? How did they get so poor in the first place? It surely was not because of Chris Christie, nor anybody in New Jersey who is even remotely like him. No, the Democrats totally own that one, too, I'm afraid, and your whole class-warfare "the rich don't pay enough" rhetoric just will not wash with me here.

Actually it does and at this point I truly don't care if what I have to say doesn't resonate with you. Nobody is here to try and change your mind if you're so determined to maintain your beliefs even though they're completely wrong once we look at the numbers. And all it took was a 2 minute search on Wikipedia to find a chart which gives us a list of New Jersey locations by per capita income. Now pay attention for once instead of wailing about your tired ass political & governmental phobias, newbie -

While it's true that it's one of the most wealthiest states in America (and the only reason you source this now is because I provided the info earlier), there are also many communities in the state where either the personal or family per capita income average is actually under the current state levels for being eligible for Medicaid. As stated before when I started this thread (and I'm sure you never read it), for a family of three to be eligible for Medicaid they need to have a yearly gross income roughly under $24,600. To further discredit your dismissive rhetoric, I've gone one step further to find a second article. This time a PDF from the state of NJ regarding Medicaid requirements, which states an individual is eligible for community Medicaid in New Jersey if his/her gross monthly income is equal to or less than $903. if we do the math, the figure is roughly $10,800 a year. With Christie's proposal, the new benchmark for a family of three would be lowered to $5,300, which is less than half of what an individual currently has to make in order to qualify as well as less than half the current federal poverty rate for a single person. Common sense tells us that would also mean individual state coverage numbers would be even worse than they currently are.

Now how many communities would be harmed the most if Chris Christie's plan becomes law in the state of New Jersey? A whopping 275 communities where the average per capita income lingers on the $24,600 average such as Sewaren, New Jersey with a population of 2,780. Or even Camden, New Jersey which is on the bottom of that list with an average of $9,815 and a population of 77,344. Or even Irvington, New Jersey, with an average of $16,874 and a population of 53,926.

Well gosh, golly gee... I'm already well over 100,000 people just using three of the 275 available communities that I'm using on this example! You could only imagine just how high this number will get if I sourced just a fourth of these figures. However, because I know you don't give a fuck either way I'm not going to bother doing all the math for you. What I already provided thoroughly debunks your ignorant remarks. The rest will require you to get off your lazy behind and do some arithmetic yourself. Ultimately, Chris Christie claims he wants to make budget cuts to deal with the current economy of the state. But why off the backs of people like this and in one of the wealthiest states of the nation? You got an answer for that or would you rather foolishly make more off topic rants about corruption and Democrats again? Don't worry... I won't hold my breath waiting for you to say something that makes sense. :rolleyes:
 
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@ VinylBoy: I looked over your cited charts and tables on New Jersey's per capita income levels by municipality. Of course, those charts and tables do not and simply cannot address why or how New Jersey got into the financial mess that it is in now. All you seem to be concerned with is how affluent some New Jersey residents are, many of whom I daresay would not even be all that affluent if it were not for their vocational commuter hubs of commerce in out-of-state cities such as New York City and Philadelphia. What I have posted previously totally explains this, however, but this is what you dismiss offhand as "off topic rants about corruption and Democrats," or just pooh-pooh altogether.

Well gosh, golly gee... I'm already well over 100,000 people just using three of the 275 available communities that I'm using on this example! You could only imagine just how high this number will get if I sourced just a fourth of these figures. However, because I know you don't give a fuck either way I'm not going to bother doing all the math for you.

Well, gosh, golly gee...if 300,000 or more New Jersey-based welfare dependents, or whatever you would prefer to call them, decided within the next month or so, to move out of New Jersey, and into other states which are not so congested and receive more federal funds, simply because the gravy train and handouts coming from Trenton were no longer enough for them to live in New Jersey, would that be such a terrible thing?

Or, would you rather see the phenomenon from the years 2004 to 2008 repeated again, when 300,000+ productive taxpaying citizens all fled from New Jersey, taking their $70 billion in wealth with them to states like Texas and Florida?
 
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Chris Christie has proven to me to be a genuine putz and loudmouth bullying, hypocrite so many times since he got elected it justifies my reasons for not voting for the Motherfucker. I can recall an article where he was speaking, and some guy was criticizing I think his ideas on subways, and had the State Police drag him up in front of him, and blasted him and told the staties not to let him get in a word while he was being berated.
Then I just realized he gave rich people a tax cut, and poor people none.
 

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@ VinylBoy: I looked over your cited charts and tables on New Jersey's per capita income levels by municipality. Of course, those charts and tables do not and simply cannot address why or how New Jersey got into the financial mess that it is in now.

For the last time, Einstein... addressing why or how New Jersey got into the financial mess that it is in now is NOT THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS THREAD. Did that sink in your brain yet, or are we just trolling at this point?

All you seem to be concerned with is how affluent some New Jersey residents are, many of whom I daresay would not even be all that affluent if it were not for their vocational commuter hubs of commerce in out-of-state cities such as New York City and Philadelphia. What I have posted previously totally explains this, however, but this is what you dismiss offhand as "off topic rants about corruption and Democrats," or just pooh-pooh altogether.

Read the OP again. If you want to talk about the financial mess of New Jersey, start your own damn thread. This is not your stage to do so.

Well, gosh, golly gee...if 300,000 or more New Jersey-based welfare dependents, or whatever you would prefer to call them

I prefer to call them American citizens, despite whatever social bigotries you bestow on those who are financially beneath you. But go on. :rolleyes:

decided within the next month or so, to move out of New Jersey, and into other states which are not so congested and receive more federal funds, simply because the gravy train and handouts coming from Trenton were no longer enough for them to live in New Jersey, would that be such a terrible thing? Or, would you rather see the phenomenon from the years 2004 to 2008 repeated again, when 300,000+ productive taxpaying citizens all fled from New Jersey, taking their $70 billion in wealth with them to states like Texas and Florida?

You simply can't put aside your pathetic bigoted ignorance for one second, can you? This is so laughable that I'm not even going to address it. On top of that, IT'S STILL OFF TOPIC. Keep it up, Aristotle, and I may just have to get the mods involved here.
 

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For the last time, Einstein... addressing why or how New Jersey got into the financial mess that it is in now is NOT THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS THREAD. Did that sink in your brain yet, or are we just trolling at this point?

Oh gee, well, excuse me ever so much, your highness. Focusing on minutiae and a narrow basis of contention, while discussing an overly broad-based issue such as entitlement program funding in New Jersey, was never quite my strong suit.

You simply can't put aside your pathetic bigoted ignorance for one second, can you? This is so laughable that I'm not even going to address it. On top of that, IT'S STILL OFF TOPIC. Keep it up, Aristotle, and I may just have to get the mods involved here

Oh nooo....Mr. full-of-himself is threatening to get the mods involved? Oh dear, well, I guess that settles it then.

You are the one who is laughable - the moment that I brought up salient points which merely expanded upon this debate, much of which simultaneously undermined your own hidden agenda, which would have been to bash the mean ol' Republican governor while masquerading as some pity party for "the working poor" or whatever, was when the threats of crushing my opposing points of view come out full force from Mr. full-of-himself left-winger guy. Chris Christie is a governor who is simply trying to bring some common sense back to the heavily corrupt and broke joke of the longtime "blue" state that is otherwise known as New Jersey.

So tell me then, comrade VinylBoy/Stalin - would you getting the mods involved here be somewhat akin to how the Kremlin used to send dissidents into the Gulag Archipelago of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? I would think so, and by then, I guess that I would know a bit how Solzhenitsyn felt back in those times when he was made to suffer for so, so long, just because he had the courage to speak out against what he felt was so, so wrong.
 

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Chris Christie has proven to me to be a genuine putz and loudmouth bullying, hypocrite so many times since he got elected it justifies my reasons for not voting for the Motherfucker. I can recall an article where he was speaking, and some guy was criticizing I think his ideas on subways, and had the State Police drag him up in front of him, and blasted him and told the staties not to let him get in a word while he was being berated.
Then I just realized he gave rich people a tax cut, and poor people none.

Hmmm....do you have any links to this article you can recall, or was this article just printed on the inside of your imagination? Unfortunately, my Google search engine cannot get any results from the inside of your mind.

I just searched on Youtube for about the last ten minutes to see if there were any videos of mean ol' motherfucker Chris Christie ordering New Jersey state troopers to drag some guy up in front of him, so that Chris Christie could then give the hapless individual a thorough berating, and you know, gosh darn it, I totally could not find any such video which shows Chris Christie doing anything of the sort.

Of course, if a video such as this really existed, it would have been played ad infinitum on CNN and MSNBC by now, right?

P.S. How can you give tax cuts to "poor people" in New Jersey when they get tax refunds in the first place?

Perhaps you ought to be wondering why New Jersey has to have an income tax to begin with, when states like Florida and Texas have no such thing.
 

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Oh gee, well, excuse me ever so much, your highness. Focusing on minutiae and a narrow basis of contention, while discussing an overly broad-based issue such as entitlement program funding in New Jersey, was never quite my strong suit.

No, sweetie. You couldn't focus on a precise item because that would require you to put aside your political bigotries and really think about the details. That's why you needed to try and make this discussion about something unrelated and much broader, and use even broader generalizations (defunct of any real detail) in order to convey your thoughts. That's the true definition of narrow mindedness. Don't get mad at me because I was determined to keep a thread I made on topic amidst your mindless bantering about government corruption and how you hate Democrats.

Oh nooo....Mr. full-of-himself is threatening to get the mods involved? Oh dear, well, I guess that settles it then.

Well, the other option would be to berate you with a series of 4 and/or 5 letter descriptive adjectives to convey just how ignorant you're acting. But the general public can determine that for themselves by merely following along and reading the posts you and I made on this thread. Advantage - "Mr. Full-of-himself". :rolleyes:

You are the one who is laughable - the moment that I brought up salient points which merely expanded upon this debate, much of which simultaneously undermined your own hidden agenda, which would have been to bash the mean ol' Republican governor while masquerading as some pity party for "the working poor" or whatever, was when the threats of crushing my opposing points of view come out full force from Mr. full-of-himself left-winger guy. Chris Christie is a governor who is simply trying to bring some common sense back to the heavily corrupt and broke joke of the longtime "blue" state that is otherwise known as New Jersey.

You know... I feel like really showing you just how stupid you are. So let me give you more background info about the so-called "blue state" that you failed to take into consideration when repeatedly bringing up your highly distorted talking points:

The New Jersey Legislature consists of an upper house Senate of 40 members and a lower house General Assembly of 80 members. Each of the 40 legislative districts elects one State Senator and two Assembly members. The lower house has a Democratic advantage of 47–33 and the upper house has a Democratic advantage of 24–16. In total, 120 members which consist of 49 Republicans, or roughly 40% of the general makeup of the state's legislature. Where you get the notion that the state is under complete Democratic rule from these numbers is not only laughable, it's thoroughly incorrect. That is, unless you want to suggest that "minority" means "without power", and that would mean you would fail elementary level vocabulary.

List of United States state legislatures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
New Jersey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The percentage I calculated also checks out when going by numbers represented by the Nj Congressional Delegation from 2004-2008 - New Jersey: Congressional Delegation | OpenSecrets

Senate - Democrats (2) / Republicans (0)
Menendez, Robert (D)
Lautenberg, Frank R (D)

House - Democrats (7) / Republicans (6)
Andrews, Robert E (D)
LoBiondo, Frank A (R)
Runyan, Jon (R)
Smith, Chris (R)
Garrett, Scott (R)
Pallone, Frank Jr (D)
Lance, Leonard (R)
Pascrell, Bill Jr (D)
Rothman, Steven R (D)
Payne, Donald M (D)
Frelinghuysen, Rodney (R)
Holt, Rush (D)
Sires, Albio (D)

Just like the President can't pass legislation without approval of the House and the Senate in this country, a Governor can't do it without consent of its state legislature by majority vote. So if you claim to know what you're talking about, you would be able to point to a piece of legislation (or a series of legislative mistakes) that lead to the financial mess the state is experiencing, presented by members of the state legislature when New Jersey was under rule by Jim McGreevey, Richard Codey, or Jon Corzine and how the members of the Senate and the General Assembly actually voted. Gee, that's gonna require a lot of hard work. You sure you're up to the challenge? I mean, you don't even live in New Jersey. You care that much to try and win a silly political argument on a website about big dicks?

Like I said before (and I'll elaborate further) just continually blaming anything on "Democrats" in this case is a short sighted, ignorant and clueless statement made by factually unaware simpletons looking for excuses to validate their own societal and political bigotries… and I'm not here to make you feel better about being one. So get to work. Prove your case, or shut up.

So tell me then, comrade VinylBoy/Stalin - would you getting the mods involved here be somewhat akin to how the Kremlin used to send dissidents into the Gulag Archipelago of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? I would think so, and by then, I guess that I would know a bit how Solzhenitsyn felt back in those times when he was made to suffer for so, so long, just because he had the courage to speak out against what he felt was so, so wrong.

No... I'm getting the mods involved because you're a troll and an absolute drag on my thread.
 
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Hmmm....do you have any links to this article you can recall, or was this article just printed on the inside of your imagination? Unfortunately, my Google search engine cannot get any results from the inside of your mind.

I just searched on Youtube for about the last ten minutes to see if there were any videos of mean ol' motherfucker Chris Christie ordering New Jersey state troopers to drag some guy up in front of him, so that Chris Christie could then give the hapless individual a thorough berating, and you know, gosh darn it, I totally could not find any such video which shows Chris Christie doing anything of the sort.

Of course, if a video such as this really existed, it would have been played ad infinitum on CNN and MSNBC by now, right?

P.S. How can you give tax cuts to "poor people" in New Jersey when they get tax refunds in the first place?

Perhaps you ought to be wondering why New Jersey has to have an income tax to begin with, when states like Florida and Texas have no such thing.
Look, it isn't going to be on youtube; look into past issues of the local paper,ok?
BTW, just out of curiosity, WTF does someone from Maryland care about NJ, huh? Ort are you just one of those out of staters who thinks he knows more than the state natives themselves?
 
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