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umm.. humor is truth.

and i do think ya being shitty.
in a very lets all clap each other on the back cuz we're all in on the joke.
ya making real people into ya punchline.

is the shitty.

all ya other posts, i enjoy.
this one.. just feels like ya picking on the asthmatic kid. and all the other bullies are cheering you on.
:frown:

might be bothersome to me cuz i expect more from ya.
then again.. expectations are my shit... so.. meh.

Gee, I would have thought I'd written much more annoying/offensive/worthless shit on here than this thread.

Look, I think that what I can only call the obsessive devotion to the cause in the circ threads is ridiculous. Which is why I ridiculed.

If in so doing, I've disappointed/let down/angered people then that is unfortunate. Especially with regards to the likes of you whom I respect and consider a friend.

I'll not raise the topic of circumcision on this website in the future.
 

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The argument "for or against" circumcision could go on for the next 1000 years, and never produce an acceptable outcome no matter which 'side' one is on.

Might we just take the right and wrong out of the discussion and argue for choice. Could the idea of circumcision at birth, before the person is able to make the choice, stop.
Circumcision will be a procedure of choice, and on consenting adult males.

Maybe? Isn't choice the foundation of many of these posts. Wouldn't we give people a choice when considering any non emergency -irreversible surgery. Whether or not the surgery is beneficial should be weighed by the person who's body will undergo the surgery. We're talking about a lot more than ear piercing.
 
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Maybe you should re-read the first post in the topic, chief

Tongue-in-cheek though real nonetheless :wink: Oh well there you have it. We must win the battle one foreskin at a time if necessary.
 
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I requested of the mods/admins that the thread be closed, since it seems apparent that it's not really possible to communicate on this site regarding this topic without it becoming a dire experience.
 

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I requested of the mods/admins that the thread be closed, since it seems apparent that it's not really possible to communicate on this site regarding this topic without it becoming a dire experience.

Then this subject would have to be off limits. No discussing circumcision .
This is apparently a passionate subject, people have strong feelings. Getting everyone to sit and play nice isn't always possible when emotions run high.
But that's fairly normal. All in all, people get along on this site better than most.
Ever visit the Warcraft board?

But this is a site about the penis. Foreskin is part of the penis,odds are the subject will come up.
....and people will continue to agree and disagree. But that in itself is fairly normal and not unusual in any discussion.
 

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Then this subject would have to be off limits. No discussing circumcision .
This is apparently a passionate subject, people have strong feelings. Getting everyone to sit and play nice isn't always possible when emotions run high.
But that's fairly normal. All in all, people get along on this site better than most.
Ever visit the Warcraft board?

But this is a site about the penis. Foreskin is part of the penis,odds are the subject will come up.
....and people will continue to agree and disagree. But that in itself is fairly normal and not unusual in any discussion.

So yet one more deadly serious thread then.

Joy.
 

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I think this is basically what went down:

1. The OP made a sardonic thread that contained what seems to be a serious argument (or at least a sincerely-held opinion.)

2. People criticized that argument.

3. The OP wanted the thread to be sardonic; the responders wanted to criticize the serious argument.

4. Clusterfuck.

I know this has basically ruined the thread, but what do you really expect when you present what appears to be an opinion, even (maybe especially) if it's one dripping with sardonicism?

(Also, Sargon: I have no idea if your post is English.)
 
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I think this is basically what went down:

1. The OP made a sardonic thread that contained what seems to be a serious argument (or at least a sincerely-held opinion.)

2. People criticized that argument.

3. The OP wanted the thread to be sardonic; the responders wanted to criticize the serious argument.

4. Clusterfuck.

I know this has basically ruined the thread, but what do you really expect when you present what appears to be an opinion, even (maybe especially) if it's one dripping with sardonicism?

Yeah.

Lesson: there is NO room for a sense of humor in a circ thread.
 

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Yeah.

Lesson: there is NO room for a sense of humor in a circ thread.

Two five year old boys are standing at the potty to pee.
When one says, " Your thing doesn't have any skin on it!"
" I've been circumcised." Says the second boy.
" What does that mean?"
"It means they cut the skin off the end."
" How old were you when it was cut off?"
" My mom said that I was two days old."
" Did it hurt?"
" You bet it hurt, I couldn't walk for a year!"
 

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My only problem with this is exactly what MickeyLee pointed out. If you're going to poke light-hearted fun on a debate like this, you should do it for both sides and not just one side.

Your point would be much clearer and I bet not as many people would have taken this so seriously.
 

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What a carry on here !! The issue is not circ v no circ it is about the reasons for circ. I was circumsised at a young age cos of phimosis and a subsequent infection. My parents bless em' had the procedure carried out for perfectly valid and definable medical reasons. I wish I wasn't circumcised as 60 years on my glans is 'toughened' and desensitised because it has not been protected by my foreskin. That is an unfortunate side effect.

The issue I have is parents deciding to circumsise their children for various non-medical reasons and / or religious reasons. No one has the right to, dare I say, mutilate their child for their own personal reasons. If that is an obsession then so be it. Let the child make up his own mind, after all its his body.

There is a lot of guff about this like it stops AIDS, how?? and it stops masturbation, as if that is bad !! and so on. Our creator made us and gave us a 'machine' that endures for 70+ years with minimal maintenance. It is a cracking good design. I really don't think we should fiddle with the mechanism when it seems to be working just fine. If you take supposed medical intervention a logical stage further, you could, (for example) take everyone's appendix out just in case you might get appendicitis. I say leave well alone if you can.
 

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Given that I just noticed you were the last post in a DIFFERENT circ thread and looking at your history that is littered with posts in circ threads... Well, son, I think you may well be a little obsessed yourself. And therefore, I would question how unbiased you are towards the whole issue. You're offended that SilverTrain dismisses people who "have a preference on the issue" because that's you. You want to think you have a good reason to care so much about your own foreskin. You don't want to think you have some kind of mental issue for being that way.

I can understand that. But let's not have you pretend that you're speaking from a place of unbiased wisdom.
This is called an argument ad hominem (attacking the person), and it's considered a fallacy. A foolish or bad (or obsessed) person can say a good thing and it's still a good thing. A sensible or wise person can say a foolish or wrong thing and it's still a foolish or wrong thing.

So far as I can make out, the OP is saying that nobody should say (or think) anything about circumcision. {EDIT: On re-reading: ...that nobody should say anything serious about circumcision, or at least not complain about being circumcised.} This is very similar to the people who come on circumcision threads and say "there are more important things to talk about" (often after an article about how "circumcision is an important decision for parents").

The reason these threads will never end (in the foreseeable future, ie until infant circumcision does) is that infant male genital cutting is very very peculiar. There is no other normal, healthy, integral, functional, non-renewable part of a baby's body that may be cut off at parental whim.

When an adult chooses to have it done to himself, there is seldom a long thread about it. Either "It turned out well" and "That's good" or "It turned out badly" and "That's bad."

But when it is intergenerational, we have a huge community of men who have had part of their genitals cut off without their consent, and some are outraged, while others have not just accepted it, but made it part of their identity, such that it is "good", "normal", "beneficial" etc. - without ever having had a chance to compare it with the alternative, and I imagine, in many cases, never before having encountered someone who did not agree with that assessment.

Not only that, but we are in a culture in which much of a man's identity is invested in his penis. (I don't know if there is any other kind.) If you want to get killed quickly, tell a big strong man he has a small dick, or can't get it up, or that it is not all that it could be.

At the same time, we are emerging from a culture when it was taboo to talk about sex (we have remnants of that on some of the boards where circumcision becomes cir***cision and foreskin becomes ******** and Scunthorpe becomes S****horpe, if anyone should want to mention that place). In fact infant male (and female) genital cutting was an integral part of that culture.

And we have emerged into a culture where it is permissible to talk about sex (but still sometimes in only roundabout ways). And here we are on a board where the central topic is penises.

The surprise is not that infant male genital cutting is a hot topic here, but that anyone might think it would not be, or should not be.
 
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Yeah.

Lesson: there is NO room for a sense of humor in a circ thread.

No. Comedy requires an ability to step outside your viewpoint and observe it from that point which is impossible with your target audience.
 

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This is called an argument ad hominem (attacking the person), and it's considered a fallacy. A foolish or bad (or obsessed) person can say a good thing and it's still a good thing. A sensible or wise person can say a foolish or wrong thing and it's still a foolish or wrong thing.

So far as I can make out, the OP is saying that nobody should say (or think) anything about circumcision. {EDIT: On re-reading: ...that nobody should say anything serious about circumcision, or at least not complain about being circumcised.} This is very similar to the people who come on circumcision threads and say "there are more important things to talk about" (often after an article about how "circumcision is an important decision for parents").

The reason these threads will never end (in the foreseeable future, ie until infant circumcision does) is that infant male genital cutting is very very peculiar. There is no other normal, healthy, integral, functional, non-renewable part of a baby's body that may be cut off at parental whim.

When an adult chooses to have it done to himself, there is seldom a long thread about it. Either "It turned out well" and "That's good" or "It turned out badly" and "That's bad."

But when it is intergenerational, we have a huge community of men who have had part of their genitals cut off without their consent, and some are outraged, while others have not just accepted it, but made it part of their identity, such that it is "good", "normal", "beneficial" etc. - without ever having had a chance to compare it with the alternative, and I imagine, in many cases, never before having encountered someone who did not agree with that assessment.

Not only that, but we are in a culture in which much of a man's identity is invested in his penis. (I don't know if there is any other kind.) If you want to get killed quickly, tell a big strong man he has a small dick, or can't get it up, or that it is not all that it could be.

At the same time, we are emerging from a culture when it was taboo to talk about sex (we have remnants of that on some of the boards where circumcision becomes cir***cision and foreskin becomes ******** and Scunthorpe becomes S****horpe, if anyone should want to mention that place). In fact infant male (and female) genital cutting was an integral part of that culture.

And we have emerged into a culture where it is permissible to talk about sex (but still sometimes in only roundabout ways). And here we are on a board where the central topic is penises.

The surprise is not that infant male genital cutting is a hot topic here, but that anyone might think it would not be, or should not be.

I wish more people were like Snozzle. You talk so much sense.
 
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I wish more people were like Snozzle. You talk so much sense.

Only to those whose center of the world is their cock. 9 paragraphs. A Charles Dickens of foreskin.

Hey, guess what?

They took something from me without my permission. Oh, the horror!

I mean, actually, I'm quite OK with it.

I only wish they would have taken those hairs on my asshole that catch the little bits of pooh, keeping them suspended there in full animation, when it would have been so much nicer if they'd just carried on out into the never never.