Circumcision and HIV

[FuzzyKen]

Here we go again, the pro-circs will grab on to this to back up their point, the anti-cercs will go off their direction.

In the US, the greatest portion of men currently infected with HIV are those born when the percentage of men being circumcised was at it's highest. If the theory really worked, a great number of those men would not have been infected.

It is safe sex, personal hygiene, use of condoms, and other common sense practices that prevent HIV, removing a foreskin will in and of itself play a percentage role that is so low as to be the equivalent of winning Powerball.

One of the things I can see in this is the desire of the medical community to create a new way to extract money from government funded medical agencies as a "preventative". If the presence or absence of a foreskin was a major factor, and considering that we have been in an HIV present world for about 30 years, don't you think that this factor would have come out before now? Again, this has the earmarks of a profit maker more than the earmarks of a disease process preventative.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Thanks for saying so FuzzyKen. Those of us who been around this for awhile have seen it all before:

Circ Timeline

 

[ScorpioSlut]

Not to start the pro/cons of the circ debate but I think it's really sad that all of these "studies" continue to convince parents that it is better for them to circ their sons. I think people should take more responsibility in knowing the facts before they do this to their children....and that was just reinforced today when I went to see my best friend and her newborn in the hospital.....he had just been circ'd and out of curiosity I asked them why they had chosen that route and they said "it's better for him". When I asked them how their answer was pretty much "just is".

 

[D_Myer_Dogasflees]

1. were the studies actually done scientifically? no, the circed were given more time alone
2. circ lowers confidence and thus gets you laid less, and thrugh that obviously
3. what about all those jews and muslims who done this anyway, considering their strict lifestyle, obviously...
4. being circed u will only get to do it with more promiscuous girls, or non-muslim/non-jew girls

 

[B_TalkingHeads]

Circumcision to men and women is a fucked up thing especially when it's done to someone who does not consent to it or under the guise of "religion". What BS.

 

[darkbond007]

Whether you are cut or uncut...you should be using a condom to protect yourself from HIV/AIDS.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

their answer was pretty much "just is."

Hi Scorpio. This whole AIDS circ hysteria is just another page in the history of invention of excuses for genital cutting. Anybody who sexually abuses children has their excuse in court, but with the AMA behind them, doctors never see the judge.

In truth, the burden is entirely on THEM to prove their claims, but their trick has been in pushing US into the corner. This is the same bullshit the American medical profession has been pulling for 50 years. RIC has never passed the standard test of proving itself to be benign and beneficial, and certainly does not pass as Evidence-Based Medicine. Just goes to show that if you bleat loud enough, the public forgets just who actually has the burden of proof.

 

[Latinoboy9]

I would'nt cut or sell mine for all the money in the world...
Jose'Latinoboy9

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Nice job Jose. You won the frickin' penis lotto didn't you?! :veryhappy:

Everyone who smells a rat, write to President Obama about his choice for new Centers for Disease control chief:

Genital Cutting and HIV

 

[SirConcis]

In the US, the greatest portion of men currently infected with HIV are those born when the percentage of men being circumcised was at it's highest. If the theory really worked, a great number of those men would not have been infected.

Please read again, and again, and again until you understand.

Circumcision reduces the risk of the male catching aids through vaginal sex.

In the USA, (and many other western countries) AIDS is contracts via needles (drugs) or via gay sex. Circumcision status of drug users is irrelevant.

For gay sex, if an infected male inserts his penis in your anus, whether you are circumcised or not makes no dfifference since circumcision of your penis doesn't give your anus magical powers to repell HIV. Same if you swallow semen or other bodily fluids.

 

[FuzzyKen]

Damn! Stuck Again!

The transfer and infection of HIV is NOT done by "swallowing" semen or seminal fluid of an infected person....

The transfer and infection takes place by the transfer of the live HIV retrovirus into the blood stream of the non-infected individual.

Anal infection IS a problem only because there are "micro tears" even in those with anal canals rivaling the "Holland Tunnel". The micro-tears admit the retrovirus to the blood stream and so on and so forth.

The ONLY way one can have oral infection is to have severe gum disease. If you have severe gingevitis or other gum problems your risks are increased.

The HIV retrovirus is not present in reasonable numbers in sputum to cause infection in and of iteself. the HIV virus has a very short life (less than 60 seconds) when it is exposed to open atmosphere. The HIV retrpvirus and the transfer of that retrovirus which causes HIV can be easily prevented by using again good common sense and getting a reasonable education on the subject.

Most importantly, the HIV retrovirus is killed virtually on contact by the presence of stomach acid. This means that even contacting HIV via a bleeding ulcer would not be easy unless absolutely ideal conditions were present. Possible yes, likely, nearly again the same odds as winning the lottery.

Of all the STD's out there again HIV is not the easiest to contract. Mononeucleosis, Hepatitis in some forms, Herpes, and such are ALL far easier to contact and some of the current forms of Hepatitis are just as fatal, harder to treat, and more dangerous than HIV.

Use condoms, common sense and education to combat this disease. If we can get rid of the idiotic "bug chasers" waiting to be "seeded" and a few other really mentally unbalanced individuals we could bring new HIV cases nearly to a grinding halt and do so very quickly.

Understand the reality of HIV and not the rumors of those who are playing their own adjendas.

 

[B_TalkingHeads]

Ken-Actually YES you can get HIV from swallowing semen or letting cum get in your mouth. Don't be so ignorant and think that just because a certain sex act may be deemed as low risk that it does not happen and HIV can be just as easily transmitted via giving oral sex as it can from unprotected anal and vaginal sex. Try telling all of the people who have gotten HIV from giving oral sex that you simply can't get it from doing that. It's not safer sex to swallow semen or let cum get in your mouth and even with precum it is not all that safe either. Someone your age should know better unless you have been living under a rock or have been in denial for the past 25 years. Granted saliva does kill/neutralize the virus but there's no such thing as safer sex since it ALL carries risk and yes you can get HIV from giving oral sex. Just because a sex act is low risk does not mean that there is zero risk or that you will not get HIV at all. Whenever someone does get HIV from giving oral sex it's because of swallowing semen or letting someone cum in their mouth. All it takes is a tiny cut, open sore, or broken skin, sore throat, burn, and you can have such things and not even know it or be able to see them as you can get them from just brushing your teeth. Also from swallowing if you have heartburn or issues with your throat/esophagus you can get HIV this way from giving oral sex. There are, documented cases where it appears that HIV was transmitted orally. These cases are all attributed to ejaculation in the mouth (i.e., exposure to semen, not exposure to vaginal fluid). We can definitely say that there are documented cases of HIV in which the only possible source of infection was through oral sex, so the risk is low. But it is incorrect to equate the risk of oral sex with ejaculation to the risk of oral sex without. As far as getting oral sex goes, you are almost granted not to get HIV from that as long as you do not have any cuts, sores, or leisons from STDs on your penis. San Francisco AIDS Foundation: Reducing the Risk of Getting HIV From Sexual Activities How risky is oral sex?