Circumcision in San Francisco

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And the sensitivity issue? I'm sorry, but how can you bitch about that when you were circumcised at birth? You can't miss what you never had.

That seems reasonable, but it really isn't. Before the 1860's, a lot of people were slaves at birth. I guess they can't miss freedom because they never had it.

Besides, you can't say circumcised men never had foreskins. They couldn't have been circumcised at all if they hadn't had them at some point.
 

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Whether you agree with religious obligations or not, it will be in violation of the First Amendment of the United States of America. The First Amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

Even IF it does pass, it will be tied up in court with legal challenges for years. Whatever your opinion, no one has the right to tell me how to observe my faith. Circumcision has been a practice in Judaism for 3,500 years and will not cease.

If San Francisco and Santa Monica enforce such laws, then it is very simple to just go to the next city and have it done. It isn't going to change anything. These people have way too much time on their hands. Here's an idea... if we want to better the lives of our children, then how about making education a priority istead of this useless crap?
 

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Besides, you can't say circumcised men never had foreskins. They couldn't have been circumcised at all if they hadn't had them at some point.

You know what I meant. I was talking about experiencing the sensitivity, not the foreskin itself.
 

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Might be time to start rallying against young children having pierced ears. What about young ones being forced to wear spectacles? Tooth-straightening? Needless combing/brushing of hair? how far can we go with objecting to what other people decide to do or not do!

As if removing half the skin of one's genitals without their consent, can be compared to getting braces, or glasses, or tooth whitening.
 

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Whether you agree with religious obligations or not, it will be in violation of the First Amendment of the United States of America. The First Amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

Even IF it does pass, it will be tied up in court with legal challenges for years. Whatever your opinion, no one has the right to tell me how to observe my faith. Circumcision has been a practice in Judaism for 3,500 years and will not cease.

If San Francisco and Santa Monica enforce such laws, then it is very simple to just go to the next city and have it done. It isn't going to change anything. These people have way too much time on their hands. Here's an idea... if we want to better the lives of our children, then how about making education a priority istead of this useless crap?

Ya, ya, ya.
Could you say that about polygamy being taken from the Mormons?
That did not inflict physical pain, and was a part of their religion.
How about animal sacrifice, and Santoria?
Or female circumcision, and Islam?
People who want to keep babies from painful surgery they don't need have too much time on their hands. Is Lloyd Schofield's motive boredom? Or is he genuinely concerned, that these kids are being surgically altered without their consent. You can't circumcise a girl, or a dog, but you can circumcise a boy.
Got anything else you want to rationalize away?
How much does educating a child take away from losing half of the skin of their genitals?
 
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Whether you agree with religious obligations or not, it will be in violation of the First Amendment of the United States of America. The First Amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion, infringing on the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

Even IF it does pass, it will be tied up in court with legal challenges for years. Whatever your opinion, no one has the right to tell me how to observe my faith. Circumcision has been a practice in Judaism for 3,500 years and will not cease.

If San Francisco and Santa Monica enforce such laws, then it is very simple to just go to the next city and have it done. It isn't going to change anything. These people have way too much time on their hands. Here's an idea... if we want to better the lives of our children, then how about making education a priority istead of this useless crap?

Or, maybe you could just not have your kid's dick cut up. Idiots.
 

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I was circumcized at 14 under the guize of "correcting" hypospadia. I was still not in puberty, but I knew that my foreskin felt real good as it passed back and forth over my glans, like a pair of lips. Then the pain of having it taken and the resulting unchange in my condition really pissed me off. There was nothing I could do about it as the medical people said it would correct the birth defect. As far as I am concerned, leave the child alone and let him make a decision as an adult. I'd take mine back in a heart beat if given the chance. Just my two cents from life experience.
 

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Might be time to start rallying against young children having pierced ears. What about young ones being forced to wear spectacles? Tooth-straightening? Needless combing/brushing of hair? how far can we go with objecting to what other people decide to do or not do!

When it involves a decision that can't ever be reversed... hair, teeth? are kidding dude?
 

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Why? Is it because you don't believe that boys should be afforded the same protections as girls, or is there another reason? What about this bill puts you off? Parental rights is off the table, because you can't circumcise a daughter. What is it that makes you believe that someone else besides the owner of the body part should make the decision on which healthy parts to keep?
I simply don't get where you are coming from.
Thanks.
 
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I don't think that female and male circumcision equate.

I am not an anatomist but it seems that when a female is circumcised there is a much greater reduction in pleasure potential than when removing a foreskin. Isn't the primary way for a female to experience orgasm with the clitoris? I've heard of vaginal orgasms, but being gay, I know very little about female sexual function.

Circumcised males can still experience very powerful orgasms. Trust me on this.

Every woman that I have ever discussed this with prefers a circumcised partner, with a single exception, who said she was indifferent. And some of these women responded to the idea of an uncircumcised penis very negatively.

And when it comes right down to it, I think that uncircumsized penises in general are just downright ugly and/or stupid looking. If I had a son I wouldn't want him walking around with one. What other parts of the male outer body can switch from unexposed to exposed and return again to being unexposed? Kind of like a jack-in-the-box.

It seems to me that anti-circ people in general are a bunch of emotionally childish self-absorbed "wounded" whining cry babies who need to find something really important to be concerned about in their lives.

It's just another fringe issue for places and populations like San Francisco, which is truly an open mental ward.

Why? Is it because you don't believe that boys should be afforded the same protections as girls, or is there another reason? What about this bill puts you off? Parental rights is off the table, because you can't circumcise a daughter. What is it that makes you believe that someone else besides the owner of the body part should make the decision on which healthy parts to keep?
I simply don't get where you are coming from.
Thanks.
 
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Every woman that I have ever discussed this with prefers a circumcised partner, with a single exception, who said she was indifferent. And some of these women responded to the idea of an uncircumcised penis very negatively.

The men who are the same age as the women you're asking are predominantly going to be circumcised.

For boys being born now, most especially on the west coast, the majority are uncircumcised and I would expect that the girls who are being born now will have some shift in preference because of it.

For boys being born in WA, OR, CA, NV... uncircumcised penises are the norm right now by a very wide margin. Cut ones are the "wierd" ones.
 

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I don't think that female and male circumcision equate.

I am not an anatomist but it seems that when a female is circumcised there is a much greater reduction in pleasure potential than when removing a foreskin. Isn't the primary way for a female to experience orgasm with the clitoris? I've heard of vaginal orgasms, but being gay, I know very little about female sexual function.

Circumcised males can still experience very powerful orgasms. Trust me on this.

Every woman that I have ever discussed this with prefers a circumcised partner, with a single exception, who said she was indifferent. And some of these women responded to the idea of an uncircumcised penis very negatively.

And when it comes right down to it, I think that uncircumsized penises in general are just downright ugly and/or stupid looking. If I had a son I wouldn't want him walking around with one. What other parts of the male outer body can switch from unexposed to exposed and return again to being unexposed? Kind of like a jack-in-the-box.

It seems to me that anti-circ people in general are a bunch of emotionally childish self-absorbed "wounded" whining cry babies who need to find something really important to be concerned about in their lives.

It's just another fringe issue for places and populations like San Francisco, which is truly an open mental ward.

It's not the penises with foreskins that are ugly in here.
It's your attitude, and the attitude of the women you talk with.
Are there any other body parts you have this kind of prejudice against?
Perhaps something really ugly, like an ear?
Some female circumcisions, a large percent, are removal of the clitoral hood, which is exactly like a male circumcision.
I think you could use some emotional maturity, myself.
A more secure person would be less defensive, and not indulge in name calling.
I think that half the skin on someone else's genital is an issue worth discussing. If it was a woman, you wouldn't be comparing the questioner with a mental patient. Or, would you?
The 3 billion men that have foreskins, and the mates who play with them, don't find them ugly, or stupid, or anything less than enjoyable.
If it wasn't for men with foreskins, you, RedDude, would not exist.
Circumcision has been around maybe 5,000 years. Men with foreskins around 4.7 million years.
You might want to reconsider some of that unfortunate stuff you let run through your head. It doesn't have much connection with the outside world.
I'd wager that most of the kids who died from their circumcisions, or were, unlike you, wounded for life with hidden penis, skin bridges, or meatal stenosis, would disagree with you.

I never once doubted a circumcised man could have a powerful orgasm. Thanks to this place, and a childhood friend, I've seen a couple.
 
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You asked. Just my opinion, dude.

It's not the penises with foreskins that are ugly in here.
It's your attitude, and the attitude of the women you talk with.
Are there any other body parts you have this kind of prejudice against?
Perhaps something really ugly, like an ear?
Some female circumcisions, a large percent, are removal of the clitoral hood, which is exactly like a male circumcision.
I think you could use some emotional maturity, myself.
A more secure person would be less defensive, and not indulge in name calling.
I think that half the skin on someone else's genital is an issue worth discussing. If it was a woman, you wouldn't be comparing the questioner with a mental patient. Or, would you?
The 3 billion men that have foreskins, and the mates who play with them, don't find them ugly, or stupid, or anything less than enjoyable.
If it wasn't for men with foreskins, you, RedDude, would not exist.
Circumcision has been around maybe 5,000 years. Men with foreskins around 4.7 million years.
You might want to reconsider some of that unfortunate stuff you let run through your head. It doesn't have much connection with the outside world.
I'd wager that most of the kids who died from their circumcisions, or were, unlike you, wounded for life with hidden penis, skin bridges, or meatal stenosis, would disagree with you.

I never once doubted a circumcised man could have a powerful orgasm. Thanks to this place, and a childhood friend, I've seen a couple.
 
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Since I raised the question of what is happening in San Francisco, I am sorry that I drew attention to it. It is not possible to have an honest discussion. I am sick and tired of the response of a small minority group with its distortions and wrong facts ad nauseam. The 90% of us have long ago and now won the battle. In our democracy we stand firm with our rights. Latinos as a very large group refuse to circumcise out of their culture, religion, and society. I affirm their rights. And I like those Latinos that I know as friends and those who love their families. But as for you just look at the photographs of the penises of the members here. I am sorry that so many of you anticircs grew up with useless and ignorant parents. I am glad that mine had me circumcised and more importantly did what parents need to do out of love. Circumcised or not they never told me. Why should they? It is really not important. Life with its ups and downs is.
 
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Hands down, the most articulate and coherent post I have ever read on LPSG. Makes me wonder why I ever posted in this thread in the first place.

Since I raised the question of what is happening in San Francisco, I am sorry that I drew attention to it. It is not possible to have an honest discussion. I am sick and tired of the response of a small minority group with its distortions and wrong facts ad nauseam. The 90% of us have long ago and now won the battle. In our democracy we stand firm with our rights. Latinos as a very large group refuse to circumcise out of their culture, religion, and society. I affirm their rights. And I like those Latinos that I know as friends and those who love their families. But as for you just look at the photographs of the penises of the members here. I am sorry that so many of you anticircs grew up with useless and ignorant parents. I am glad that mine had me circumcised and more importantly did what parents need to do out of love. Circumcised or not they never told me. Why should they? It is really not important. Life with its ups and downs is.
 

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Forced infant circumcision is a barbaric, superstition-based practice that is all about "doctors" and fetishistic "religious" creeps making a profit and not about the health of boys or girls.

This should be a universal law, to forbid this abuse of innocent, uneducated children... If they choose to have parts of their body cut off, they can do that when they come of age, and of their own consent.