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my advice would be don't do it, it's probably the worst decision I 've taken in my life, but then again there was much less info then to make an informed choice and doctors who like knives are masters at convincing you to go for an operation which has ruined countless people. If you choose to be cut why not go for a dorsal slit or something? Also if you do choose to be cut read around a lot, understand well the anatomy of your penis and ask them to remove as little as they can. This idiocy of mutilating the male organ and removing so many hedonic nerves is just a remnant of the dark ages to me, as so many things in these world are...it's generally seen as good to not cut away parts of your body, why then in the world would someone without any issue (not your case of course) opt to remove parts that are so full of nerves that offer pleasurable sensations is beyond me... Oh I almost forgot, if you do have it, ask him to swear on his mother's grave he won't remove the frenulum.
 

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If you saw anything about a "debate" in my post, you're projecting. Merely inquiring about your ebullient enthusiasm for a surgical operation.

It is typical how debates start.

I wante to nip it in the butt quickly because we have enough of that.
 

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And just for clarification...

Phimosis can be a symptom of a yeast infection...HOWEVER...a Yeast Infection is not a symptom of Phimosis. Basically...do your due diligence OP
 

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It is typical how debates start.

I wante to nip it in the butt quickly because we have enough of that.

You expressed your personal preference as if it were objective fact. Then, someone questioned the general thrust of your medical advice and now you're shooting it down because it's a "debate"? If you want to avoid debates, provide information that actually is at least possibly objective, and that lessens the likelihood people will feel compelled to question it. Unless you think people shouldn't question advice they see as misleading or untrue, here it's just as much your "fault" if a debate starts.
 

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Hi guys, i'm 23. Have been having problems with a tight foreskin for yeears. I have seen my doctor, and tried several different creams etc.. Nothing has worked. My doctor has now refurred me for circumcision though the NHS. I am a bit worried about the procedure, and don't know what to expect. I know i need to be circumcised, but would like to here from guys that have gone through it...

Btw, i don't mind being circumcised .

Hi - I'm in the UK too. I was circumcised on the NHS 4 months ago & it's the best thing I ever did. Sex is fantastic - far better than before for both of us. Visually better too,& usually half hard all day.

Ask the doc to leave as much inner skin as possible & do it as tight as he thinks reasonable. (they never do it tight enough).

My stitches took 3+ weeks to drop out & we had sex 2 days later. FANTASTIC. I got a lot of muff diving in until that point.

And - before all the anti-circ nazis write in - I HAD to be cut as, between my doctor & me, we'd tried every alternative for 2 years. Just a shame I waited until age 57 to be cut.

Good luck - you won't regret it!

rgds

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You expressed your personal preference as if it were objective fact. Then, someone questioned the general thrust of your medical advice and now you're shooting it down because it's a "debate"? If you want to avoid debates, provide information that actually is at least possibly objective, and that lessens the likelihood people will feel compelled to question it. Unless you think people shouldn't question advice they see as misleading or untrue, here it's just as much your "fault" if a debate starts.

All I said was "When done right circumcision is GREAT!" There is NOTHING misleading or untrue about this statement.

That has nothing to do with a personal preference. Its stating that there is nothing wrong with being circumcised. If the OP wants to be circumcised he is allowed to make that decision with all positive backing as he sees fit.

Did you even read before that sentence where I said he should go and see a urologist? That is as objective as it gets

Anyways its irrelevant at this point. Moving on...
 

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Actually he didnt even question it. He made an assumption that was incorrect. Again...I didnt say being cut was superior. I just said it's GREAT! There is no harm in that. But now your also jumping over me because I shot down his quip because I didnt see its relevance to the topic. So not its not my fault (though right now it appears you are sucking me into one...yet again...)
 

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I got cut in the UK 10 years ago. My only comment is that it is grate at to be cut and I would not have my skin back if you paid me!

don't wait, get it fixed.
 
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Did you even read before that sentence where I said he should go and see a urologist? That is as objective as it gets

Saying something objective elsewhere in your post doesn't make all of the statements around it magically objective.

All I said was "When done right circumcision is GREAT!" There is NOTHING misleading or untrue about this statement.

That has nothing to do with a personal preference. Its stating that there is nothing wrong with being circumcised. If the OP wants to be circumcised he is allowed to make that decision with all positive backing as he sees fit.

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Actually he didnt even question it. He made an assumption that was incorrect. Again...I didnt say being cut was superior. I just said it's GREAT! There is no harm in that. But now your also jumping over me because I shot down his quip because I didnt see its relevance to the topic. So not its not my fault (though right now it appears you are sucking me into one...yet again...)

I never said your statement was "untrue" or even misleading, and I never claimed you used the word "superior." I said your claim was not objective information. What exactly is objectively/empirically "great"?

I don't know who you're addressing in your second post, but I'll reply to both together: Are you seriously claiming "there's nothing wrong with x" and "x is GREAT when done right" aren't statements of personal preference? I mean...what do they even mean if they aren't? "There's nothing wrong with circumcision if it's not botched, and if the patient likes the result"? I don't think anyone would interpret your post that way, because "it'll be good if you like it!" is uselessly obvious information. It was at minimum totally ambiguous, and came across as a statement of personal preference as fact, so of course you're going to be challenged on it.
 

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Trust me from someone who knows
See the urologist - they will have heard all these problems before and be able to answer them - just make sure you speak to a senior registrar or the consultant - not the SHO.

The operation is fairly simple - done likely under a general anaesthetic with a penile block - check NYSORA or google it. This block will be done when your asleep as well!

Procedure takes about 10 minutes.

Regarding nerves sensation - it is foreskin being removed - not your penis! There will likely be a change as some keritanisation occurs due to exposure of the glans to the atmosphere - but this is nothing compared to the problems of having a tight foreskin that needs circumcising and not having it done!

Problem with medical advice is very few people know what they are talking about but have huge opinions and stupid arguments, knowledge of a friend who once had so and so....

See your doctors, ask your questions, if still not happy ask to speak to someone more senior or even have a second opinion!
 

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I just said it's GREAT! There is no harm in that.

Your message came across (to me, at least) as "a well-done circumcision is a GREAT thing to have!" It certainly sounded like an endorsement of circumcision for circumcision's sake, and looked... exuberantly odd. It was kind of like raving about an appendectomy or tonsillectomy.

All I asked was whether you'd agree that a well-functioning foreskin is GREAT, too.

Perhaps it would have been clearer if you'd said "If medically needed or desired, a well-done circumcision can be great."
 

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No he assumed something that was not intended and was quick to turn it into a cut vs uncut debate. You both made assumptions instead of asking for clarification. It couldn't e any clearer to me because the OP is referring to the possibility of a medically necessary circumcision.

The statement around a foreskin was irrelevant to the conversation because we aren't talking about one that is functioning properly.

The caption of there is nothing wrong about circumcision is a phrase I use to show that there are circumcised men who are happy being circumcised. It's not preferences based because most circumcised men never experienced a foreskin and really can't have a preference without knowing the alternative but to them they still have a functioning penis. Most of you like to make us feel inadequate when in reality we don't feel that way. It's less about you and more about us. I don't expect either of you to ever understand.

If you didn't get that message I apologize but I stand by my stance and I do not wish to discuss any further to further derail this thread.
 

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Most of you like to make us feel inadequate when in reality we don't feel that way.

Flat-out lie. I certainly do not wish to make anyone feel inadequate, and I've never seen anybody discussing circumcision whose obvious intent or pleasure was to make anyone feel bad. What a ridiculous accusation.

Medical statements are what they are, not value-laden. Circumcision removes the gliding structure of the penile skin. It severs lots of blood vessels and nerves. It's far from unknown for it to have complications, some severe. None of this is a shock; it's surgery, after all.

But I'm soooo over the defensive boo-hoos of guys who say, "Stop talking about what circumcision does! You're just doing it to act superior! You're haters!" In fact, most of the guys who point out the damage of circumcision are circumcised themselves. And to be perfectly honest, it never really crosses my mind whether the people reading what I write about circumcision are cut or not... the ones I frankly care about haven't been born yet. That's where my mind's at.

It's weird that so many think this is about them. They might have a point if someone said circumcised guys seem defensive and argumentative, but I haven't seen that, either. :rolleyes:
 

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^^ (re: darkbond)

I doubt many people would interpret "a well-done circumcision is GREAT!" or "there is nothing wrong with being circumcised" as "there are circumcised men who are happy being circumcised." The fact that most circumcised men never experience being uncircumcised doesn't mean their satisfaction isn't a subjective preference (what else would it be?) There's nothing wrong with a subjective preference, but you seemed (and still seem, tbh) to be presenting one as fact. (Some people hate being circumcised; does that mean circumcision is "TERRIBLE!" too?) In any case, though, "it's less about you and more about us"? This thread isn't about you, or self-affirmation over being circumcised; it's about the OP's medical problem.
 

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See the urologist - they will have heard all these problems before and be able to answer them - just make sure you speak to a senior registrar or the consultant - not the SHO.

The operation is fairly simple - done likely under a general anaesthetic with a penile block - check NYSORA or google it. This block will be done when your asleep as well!

Procedure takes about 10 minutes.

Regarding nerves sensation - it is foreskin being removed - not your penis! There will likely be a change as some keritanisation occurs due to exposure of the glans to the atmosphere - but this is nothing compared to the problems of having a tight foreskin that needs circumcising and not having it done!

Problem with medical advice is very few people know what they are talking about but have huge opinions and stupid arguments, knowledge of a friend who once had so and so....

See your doctors, ask your questions, if still not happy ask to speak to someone more senior or even have a second opinion!

Speak to the urologist, they will have heard about all the problems before and butchered a few people along the way. Most of them will claim circ is done through the ages in a lot of cultures and get defensive if you doubt them, of course the majority of them has not really bothered instigating a decent study (as decent as it can get cause you cant really have double blind studies controlled studies on this) on actual nerve sensations and the effect on circ, and most of them won't have bothered to read or understand anything about human sexuality and might think kinsey is some kind of dog breed or something.

But seriously, ask around, go to 5-6 of them if you have to, ask about a dorsal slit, ask about a minimal operation, don't let some idiot with a medical degree butcher you.

The sensations of retracting the foreskin over the penis, this nice warm, surrounding feeling of the inner foreskin over the glans, is something I had until 21 and I 've lost and some part of me was chucked away in some hospital bin. Don't let them take that from you, the tight foreskin can be fixed surgically with minimal intrusion, not just chop, chop and we take it all out... There's a good reason people are up in arms about circ, I wish the internet was more prevalent and I could hear what others were saying before I did mine. If you find a doc who 'll tell you that's a bunch of rubbish don't read the internet, or like the guy above (who surely has something to do with the medical institutions) who claims people have "huge opinions and stupid arguments" (cause of course doctors and himself never have huge opinions and stupid arguments and they always know what's right, it's just as plebes that are idiots...) go to another one. :cool:
 

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Flat-out lie. I certainly do not wish to make anyone feel inadequate, and I've never seen anybody discussing circumcision whose obvious intent or pleasure was to make anyone feel bad. What a ridiculous accusation.

Medical statements are what they are, not value-laden. Circumcision removes the gliding structure of the penile skin. It severs lots of blood vessels and nerves. It's far from unknown for it to have complications, some severe. None of this is a shock; it's surgery, after all.

But I'm soooo over the defensive boo-hoos of guys who say, "Stop talking about what circumcision does! You're just doing it to act superior! You're haters!" In fact, most of the guys who point out the damage of circumcision are circumcised themselves. And to be perfectly honest, it never really crosses my mind whether the people reading what I write about circumcision are cut or not... the ones I frankly care about haven't been born yet. That's where my mind's at.

It's weird that so many think this is about them. They might have a point if someone said circumcised guys seem defensive and argumentative, but I haven't seen that, either. :rolleyes:

It's not a lie. I made a statement instead of asking me to clarify you asked me if I believed a cut penis is superior to an uncut when in all honesty I was simply saying a cut penis is great. I just find it funny that even in threads where a grown adult wants to be circumcised you guys can't allow that to happen.

^^ (re: darkbond)

I doubt many people would interpret "a well-done circumcision is GREAT!" or "there is nothing wrong with being circumcised" as "there are circumcised men who are happy being circumcised." The fact that most circumcised men never experience being uncircumcised doesn't mean their satisfaction isn't a subjective preference (what else would it be?) There's nothing wrong with a subjective preference, but you seemed (and still seem, tbh) to be presenting one as fact. (Some people hate being circumcised; does that mean circumcision is "TERRIBLE!" too?) In any case, though, "it's less about you and more about us"? This thread isn't about you, or self-affirmation over being circumcised; it's about the OP's medical problem.

Let me ask you one question. His misinterpretation of my statement even after I stated that it was wrong...whose problem is that. He made an assumption. I clarified and then you jump down my throat based on what I said and my signature.

Yes the thread isn't about me. The thread is about someone who has a medical problem. And one of the options is circumcision which is a valid option.

Also you can only have a preference if you have an alternative. I'm not answering the question about it if it's not a preference then what is it. You need to look up the definition of preference. A
 

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Let me ask you one question. His misinterpretation of my statement even after I stated that it was wrong...whose problem is that. He made an assumption. I clarified and then you jump down my throat based on what I said and my signature.

DB, I'm pointing out how ridiculous you're being to complain that others were instigating a debate. You instigated the debate by making the claim that circumcision is "GREAT!", which seems like an expression of personal preference. I really don't think any reasonable person would interpret your post as saying "some people like being circumcised." It's not what you said. It's not at all implicit in what you said. He made an assumption that any rational reader would have, which is that you were expressing an opinion that it's "GREAT!" in a medically-oriented thread. (Also, you invoked your own signature when explaining what you "really meant," not me.)

Also you can only have a preference if you have an alternative. I'm not answering the question about it if it's not a preference then what is it. You need to look up the definition of preference.

This is absurd, but OK, here's the top dictionary results:

1. A greater liking for one alternative over another or others

2. A thing preferred ("Prefer" being "to like [one thing or person] better than another or others")

So, under definition #2, one can prefer something they can't have. If a blind due was like, "I'd prefer to be able to see," would that not make sense to you? If yes, I don't understand your objection here. If no...I'm not sure what point you're getting at. I was referring to you, and this is a "subjective preference" under your own definition. Even if it weren't, and you want to use another word, that would not affect my substantive point at all.

I just find it funny that even in threads where a grown adult wants to be circumcised you guys can't allow that to happen.

Are you talking about me? I've never said anything of the sort, in this or any other thread.

OP, do you want to get circumcised? Does this seem more appealing than the other alternatives? Are you comfortable that your decision is informed and settled enough that you're willing to make a permanent change? If the answer to the questions is yes, absolutely, you should get circumcised.

I know it would be convenient for your arguments in other threads if I were as apathetic towards others' preferences as you are, but I'm not.
 
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The OP has started about 10 threads saying he needs or wants a circumcision since he joined, all with slightly different stories. Strange guy.
 

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I just find it funny that even in threads where a grown adult wants to be circumcised you guys can't allow that to happen.

The thread is about someone who has a medical problem. And one of the options is circumcision which is a valid option.

Who is "you guys"? You sure aren't talking about me. I responded to the OP - before you posted in the thread - with what I thought was a useful compendium of blogs by guys who detailed their adult circumcisions and were pleased. FFS, how does that not validate what he wants to do? Even so, I fell for what was probably another circumcision fantasy thread. (A friend offered to practice his new circ skills on you? Srsly?)

I don't see you equally riled up about the hundred or so posts in these circumcision threads calling intact guys disgusting or asking who'd ever want to have sex with them (while zero posts call circumcised guys "disgusting" or not worthy of having sex with).