circumcision in usa
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This issue has been discussed to death, and recently: US circumcision rates drop to record low of 33%.
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I believe less are being circumcised. My first boy was because my wife was selfish. However my youngest is intact. I wish I was.
yes as many cut boys we need a new thread
I hope more and more parents understand that it is not your penis and what you cut can't be uncut.
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I hope more and more parents understand that it is not your penis and what you cut can't be uncut.
peace
Thus we can go to infinity. Most discussion theme in fact is personal-family decision.
Nobody can not refute the opinion of the other.
Facts are that circumcision is several thousand years old tradition,Jews and Muslims do it always,Americans do it about 100 years.Almost 70% african people are circumcised without religious reason.On the other side Latin-Americans and Europeans are never circumcised,except Bosnia and Turkey.
In this way we only can (personaly) agree or disagree with circumcision,Of course without insulting someone's feelings or tradition.
Nobody can not refute the opinion of the other.
Facts are that circumcision is several thousand years old tradition,Jews and Muslims do it always,Americans do it about 100 years.Almost 70% african people are circumcised without religious reason.On the other side Latin-Americans and Europeans are never circumcised,except Bosnia and Turkey.
In this way we only can (personaly) agree or disagree with circumcision,Of course without insulting someone's feelings or tradition.
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America doesn't do it. Individual parents chose to have it done to their (usually) infant sons, for traditional, religious, or bogus medical reasons.
Of course they can. Do you approve of female genital cutting, for example?
Tradition is not a valid reason to do harm to helpless children with permanent lifelong consequences.
We can educate people out of their ignorance.
OK,maxcok. Thus we can go till infinity.
-You can not change my opinion ,I can not change your opinion about this.
No one can change someone's opinion.I personally do not approve female genital cutting,but it is my opinion, Some people approve this and do this thousands of years.
-Some people would not call it harm,because they do it for religious reason or for some traditions reason.You can not easily cancel one's tradition,look at baptism.
We do not have the right to judge on someone's religion or tradition.
Everything about this is personal (parents decision).
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Then maybe you should try to examine objectively why you approve of cutting the genitals of male children, but not females. What justifies one in your mind and not the other?
Whether it's based in religion or cultural tradition does not negate a practice being harmful, this or any other. That's illogical. Sprinkling water or even full immersion baptism doesn't remotely compare to the permanent removal of a highly sensitive, functional, intimate body part from nonconsenting children. That's a ridiculous analogy.
Of course we have the right to judge barbaric practices based on nothing more than "tradition". Many advanced countries have outlawed female genital cutting, for example, religious or cultural "tradition" notwithstanding, including the US: U.S. Female Genital Mutilation Law. Being a parent does not give you the right to do any damn thing you want to your children, rather it obligates you to care for and protect them. Sometimes the law even sees fit to step in and make sure you don't harm your children.
I repeat:
How do you justify cutting the genitals of male children, while you disapprove cutting female children?
They're both based on "tradition". Can you offer any other justification?
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I don't wish to "argue" either, but I think civilized debate is just fine. If you express an opinion here, you can expect someone with a different opinion might respond, and there's nothing wrong with that. This is not a forum where people are allowed to make pronouncements or speeches immune from being questioned or challenged.
Yet it appears that you have no problem judging female genital cutting, which is also based on faith or tradtion. And just because one judges a particular practice, does not mean one is judging the "faith" that it's based in. That's a deflective argument.
No, I was merely responding to the disconnect in your thinking, the absurd analogies and logical fallacies presented in your arguments, and your repetition of same even after they'd been discredited. If you are finished with the notion that children's bodies are the property of their parents to do whatever they will, that cutting female children is unacceptable while cutting male children is just fine, that "tradition" perfectly justifies cutting males, while "tradition" is not sufficient reason to cut females, and unless you can offer any other logical justification for this practice, I have nothing further to add.
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well a friend pointed out to me that the banning of certain foods in various religions was necessary simply because refrigeration had not been invented... avoiding these foods helped the culture survive. If circumcision found its way into this ethos too it would have been as a preventative step, again to help promote the survival of a primitive culture where heterosexuality was preferred over homosexuality. Our experience of circumcision is one of legacy from earlier cultures, and it is only now we are addressing both male and female circumcision and the acceptance of homosexuality. If we did not have this technology to communicate like this, I am sure it would still be seen as the norm for many more years to come... Either way it should be up to the child when they have grown up to decide how to have their bodies.
:no: More! :crying: Too many! :yell: Mods please open a circumsion/Uncircumsion Section in LPSG for people to post to, every where you look on here its being discussed to death.
Seconded.:no: More! :crying: Too many! :yell: Mods please open a circumsion/Uncircumsion Section in LPSG for people to post to, every where you look on here its being discussed to death.
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