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thanks! Ive tried google translate but it havent turn out to be good (maybe I hit the wrong language button - ~.~)

My opinion has been written about the topic.
I agree that if you loose your forskin you could loose your sexual apetite, sensitiveness ...my friend have diabetes and he had to do the circumcision after his late 40's . And he is actually suffering cause his sex life has dramaticly changed. So I suggest alternative solutions for you. (My friend had no choice :( )
 

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Hey, if you are more comfortable listening to the (cracked, unprofessional) opinions expressed in a gay oriented blog over those of your trained physician, I say, leave it on. Stretch it, pull it, smear cream on it, hell, just tug at it till the damned thing opens right up or splits and bleeds. If you are "devastated" about losing the precious prepuce, just learn to live with it. Then again, you might just try wearing it off naturally. Me, I'd listen to my doctor, as dumb as that might sound.
 

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You sure you clicked on Afrikaans? Google translates it perfectly. I had no trouble with the post, maar ek praat 'n bietjie Nederlands en Afrikaans kan lees.

Unless the OP has seen recent changes to his penis that aren't reflected in his photos, it looks like his penis is normal. Foreskin isn't snug and just a tad of frenulum breve.

Various things can cause elasticity to change in the penile skin. As mandoman says, yeast infections in men can go largely unnoticed. And I have a friend in San Diego who foolishly took his friends' advice in college and used Vaseline intensive care (the green goop) to masturbate once. Difference is, he's intact with moist mucosa and they weren't. Within hours after washing the stuff off, his foreskin started to tighten. After a few days it dried out and developed spider cracks, and within a week he had difficulty retracting when erect. Despite using emollients to soothe and moisturize it, three weeks later he couldn't retract when soft. The whole episode was a mess, only because he applied chemicals on a part of the body they shouldn't have been used on. No doubt something similar would have happened to a woman if she'd spread VIC on her vulva. But his cut friends were so keratinized on their dickends that even the harsh chemicals of the hand lotion didn't elicit a reaction (or they weren't admitting it).

I'd say the OP should check his soap as the first culprit (soap or detergent is not necessary or helpful for mucosal tissue; warm, clean water works best for cleaning the foreskin). Also consider a yogurt or probiotic dip for the penis. If it's still becoming snug, try a yeast cream. Surgery will always be available, but no reason not to try other things if averse to cutting.
 

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Hey, if you are more comfortable listening to the (cracked, unprofessional) opinions expressed in a gay oriented blog over those of your trained physician, I say, leave it on. Stretch it, pull it, smear cream on it, hell, just tug at it till the damned thing opens right up or splits and bleeds. If you are "devastated" about losing the precious prepuce, just learn to live with it. Then again, you might just try wearing it off naturally. Me, I'd listen to my doctor, as dumb as that might sound.

Actually, it is very, VERY rare for a circumcision to be medically necessary. The recommendations by people here to try more conservative methods first is sound medical advice. Some doctors are a bit too circumcision trigger happy. Although getting an opinion from another doctor would be a good idea. The op can use the information he got here to ask questions and get a better analysis of the problem.
 

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Hey, if you are more comfortable listening to the (cracked, unprofessional) opinions expressed in a gay oriented blog over those of your trained physician, I say, leave it on. Stretch it, pull it, smear cream on it, hell, just tug at it till the damned thing opens right up or splits and bleeds. If you are "devastated" about losing the precious prepuce, just learn to live with it. Then again, you might just try wearing it off naturally. Me, I'd listen to my doctor, as dumb as that might sound.

There are plenty of published studies -- conducted by physicians! -- to show why this physician's advice appears to be awful. You could arbitrarily defer to this one physician, or you could review the full body of medical science and advice of multiple physicians. Why is the former superior to the latter?

I'm not gay, I just know how to use Google Scholar, if that somehow makes my point more valid to you (not that it should.)
 

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Hey, if you are more comfortable listening to the (cracked, unprofessional) opinions expressed in a gay oriented blog over those of your trained physician, I say, leave it on. Stretch it, pull it, smear cream on it, hell, just tug at it till the damned thing opens right up or splits and bleeds. If you are "devastated" about losing the precious prepuce, just learn to live with it. Then again, you might just try wearing it off naturally. Me, I'd listen to my doctor, as dumb as that might sound.
Advice for treatment of penile maladies varies based off the medical body your talking to. In the case of America, circumcision is very socially acceptable, and the average consensus of the population is that circumcision is harmless. Some potentially serious conditions (paraphimosis has been mentioned on this board) are routinely prescribed with a "hack it off and be done with it mentality" here. However, if you look at the medical associations in places like Britain, Holland, Australia, or the Netherlands, the advice is quite a bit different. Much less surgical, much more holistic.

I'd say get a second opinion. You shouldn't even need to do that though. You should be able to tell your doctor "Look, I like my foreskin and I really want to keep it, so I'd like for circumcision to be considered strictly as a last resort. What other treatment options are available?" Any urologist worth his salt should be able to give you your options. It's not like you're asking them to dip into experimental treatments or anything. Hell, if he honestly doesn't know, you might be the first person to have expressed such resistance, and forcing him to look it up might be what alerts him to such alternatives. It could even make him a better doctor.
 

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It is amazing what the medical community doesn't know. Especially about foreskins. My PA friend reminds me, "Medicine is an art, not a science." Sad as it may be, you often have to be your own doctor, especially when it comes to medications and surgeries such as circumcision. Be insistent that you don't want pills or surgery unless absolutely necessary or as a last resort. I'm sure if I had a problem, my doctor would say, "Well, there's always circumcision." And I would have to say, "Shouldn't we try______?" It's a sad situation. And I always suspect money is an influence in diagnosis. Otherwise, circumcisions, especially RIC, would fade away as poor medical practice.
 

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A friend of mine who developed preputial stenosis while at uni (doing his PhD) visited 3 different doctors to talk about his options for getting his penis to work the way it used to. His condition stemmed from a very specific injury, as I've mentioned before.

All 3 doctors, including the one at the university medical center (UWash), immediately recommended circumcision and told him he really didn't have any other options, as he'd developed a fine fibrotic ring in the foreskin, which my friend described as feeling like embedded "piano wire" when he'd put his fingers into his foreskin and stretch outward. He had very much enjoyed being intact up to the time of the stenosis, which incidentally didn't cause him any physical discomfort, even during sex; just the uneasiness that comes with previously being able to retract and then not.

His impression was that the doctors were way too "quick on the draw" to prescribe circumcision, so he used the university library to do some research of his own. He came across a technique that had been developed at the Karolinska Institutet in Sweden, studied it in depth, then took the information to a couple more doctors. One was hesitant to try it, but the other was enthusiastic.

My buddy had the procedure, was pleased with the results, and married his fiancée when all was healed. He's had no further problems and they didn't hesitate to keep their son intact. The point is, in this area of medicine/anatomy in particular, it's not unusual to have to do some evaluation and research on your own to know what your real options are.
 

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Hey, if you are more comfortable listening to the (cracked, unprofessional) opinions expressed in a gay oriented blog over those of your trained physician, I say, leave it on. Stretch it, pull it, smear cream on it, hell, just tug at it till the damned thing opens right up or splits and bleeds. If you are "devastated" about losing the precious prepuce, just learn to live with it. Then again, you might just try wearing it off naturally. Me, I'd listen to my doctor, as dumb as that might sound.
I have to agree with Hairylegs..The OP was very vague about the problem with his foreskin.I am all for a 2nd opinion and the many suggestions he received here may be helpful for his visit to the Urologist..I have seen a Urologist many many times due to cancer and these DOCTORS are very well trained..It is my opinion and gut instinct that the doctor would save his Foreskin if that was an option. The OP will need to explain why the doctor said it was a medically necessity to remove it.I hope he has good medical coverage because these doctors dont come cheap...It was also a first to see almost everybody had a home remedy to save the skin..I am referring to when reading other threads in The Healthy Penis forum. Everybody gave a opinion about things to do or suggest maybe it's this or that but i am not a doctor, go see one. A second opinion is a good option but most, not all Urologist tend to work in a office that has several other doctors of Urology..I would like to hear a update with more information..Good luck to the OP...
 

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So I was at the urologist today and he told me due to my forskin getting to tight im going to need a circumcision. I asked about some cream I read of on the net, but according to him it only helps for children. I am devastated and dont know what to do. This was really never my idea. What else can I do?

Don't be afraid of bracing a new beginning. Let me go on the record by saying i was 100 dollars from being circed when i was born. My mother's health insurance wouldn't cover it (mind you her friend had a son born the day before me and they covered him; same policy by the same group). My mother didn't want to borrow the money from my grandparents so i wasn't done. I felt like the old boy out knowing most of my friends (white and other races were done). I asked my mom about it and wanting it to be done. I went to a check up in freshman year of HS. Nope the doctor said you dont' need it so i'm not going to refer you, mind you it wasnt my normal doc but whatevers I was determined. When I finally had my own health insurance at the age of 22 I went to the doctor and I explained to him the tightness (it was ok to deal with during sex but at times of rough sex I would get a tear on the frenulum). Nothing a day or two without it afterwards wouldn't heal. I finally got approval from him saw the specialist and everything set in motion. I have been cut since 04 and have never looked back. Yes the stitches sucked the erections sucked but once I was healed and good to go sex has never been better. No lose of sensation, I think I have added sensation i might add. :D Sure each person has their own story but if a doctor says it would be for the best then it might be helpful. I hoped my story has helped. If you have any questions please feel free to ask.
 

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And... the circumcision infomercials continue apace, even when the OP specifically said he doesn't want to be circumcised and was asking for alternatives (not testimonials).

The dates here aren't clear. Above you say you were cut in 2004 at the age of 22, making you 30 this year. But previously you claimed you were cut in 2006 at the age of 20: http://www.lpsg.org/1626064-post19.html

Folks can be forgiven for not knowing what to think with the spate of guys' hallelujah stories of their adult circumcisions that they love so much. The guys I know IRL who have been cut as adults are generally satisfied and not one of them has felt the urge to crow about it.
 
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There's a lot of good advise here. Take it to heart. Do get a second opinion and even more.
This is not a haircut. If you change your mind or aren't happy 6 months from now, there's no sewing it back.
I know if it were me or my hubby, I want to be very, very sure before this permanent procedure is done.
 
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You need to consider what is happenin to your penis. If your foreksin is current not as loose as your pictures, then there may be something which is causing it to lose elasticity.

There are medical condition such as lichen sclerosus (sp?) which make a true phimosis unavoidable and circumcision is really the only solution. If your foreskin has exhibited n changes in recent times and it is just that doctor that noticed your skin is not as loose as it should be, then perhaps some stretching exercises would help.

It is true that the stereoids generally only work permanently on younger people. For older people, it may provide temporary stretching but may not be permament.

For a helthy foreskin, it really needs to be loose enough so that when you masturbate, you naturally retract it fully on every downstroke. Those with very long foreskins or slightly tight ofreskins tend to masturbate in a way that doesn't pull the skin down much to prevent the discomfort, and this type of masturbation does not give the foreksin its daily stretching exercise to keep elastic and wide enough, so it makes phimosis more likely.
 

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You need to consider what is happenin to your penis. If your foreksin is current not as loose as your pictures, then there may be something which is causing it to lose elasticity.

There are medical condition such as lichen sclerosus (sp?) which make a true phimosis unavoidable and circumcision is really the only solution.
Not so: 1. 2.
For a helthy foreskin, it really needs to be loose enough so that when you masturbate, you naturally retract it fully on every downstroke. Those with very long foreskins or slightly tight ofreskins tend to masturbate in a way that doesn't pull the skin down much to prevent the discomfort, and this type of masturbation does not give the foreksin its daily stretching exercise to keep elastic and wide enough, so it makes phimosis more likely.
Is someone called SirConcis the best person to give advice about how to masturbate with a foreksin? Phimosis is only a problem if its owner thinks it is.
 

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I have a real tight foreskin to the point that it won't pull back at all.It's never really caused me any problems up to this point, and I keep it as clean as possible. Sex without a condom is difficult and painful though as sometimes the skin will force itself back and its hard to put it back to its normal position. With a condom it's great as the condom acts as a second skin and prevents my foreskin from pulling back so I can go all day.
 
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A doctor diagnosed a foreskin problem. Suggests circumcision. In what way ios this a fetish ? The OP wanted some advise whether circ was necessary or not. The anti-circ brigade has a standard answer of "circ is never necessary" without even considering what the current state of the guy's foreskin really is. The OP did not state whetyer the pictures in his profile reflect the current state of his foreskin or not.

With regards to masturbation. I may be circumcised now, but I grew up uncut, and have read and gree with the anti-circ document by Dr Beauges who advocates proper masturbation technique to ensure the foreskin can remain easily retractable throughoiut puberty and adulthood.

The problem is that guys with tight foreksins adapt their masturbation method to NOT stretch their foreskin as that is uncomfortable, so their tight foreskin remains or gets worse. Stretching exercises might loosen up the foreksin, but if the masturbation method does not change to ensure full retraction at every stroke, then the skin tightness can return.
 

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A doctor diagnosed a foreskin problem. Suggests circumcision. In what way ios this a fetish ? The OP wanted some advise whether circ was necessary or not. The anti-circ brigade has a standard answer of "circ is never necessary" without even considering what the current state of the guy's foreskin really is. The OP did not state whetyer the pictures in his profile reflect the current state of his foreskin or not.
Apparently the snark was lost on you. My bad. :rolleyes:

The reason why some accuse people on this forum, yourself included, isn't because you favor circumcision. It is because you will ALWAYS support a decision to circumcise, by the individual or the doctor, regardless of the circumstances. The simple truth is that there are alternative methods of treatment for pretty much every foreskin related malady in existence. The reason why doctors in the US are so quick to recommend circumcision to treat problems is because of two reasons: it works to treat what they are trying to treat, and the negative effects are still being debated.

If a doctor honestly doesn't realize there is any benefit to having a foreskin, why wouldn't he recommend cutting it off when a patient has a problem with it? To his point of view, he is fixing the problem and preventing any recurrence. Has there ever, EVER been a case where someone said their doctor recommended circumcision or they were considering circumcision and you encouraged them to think twice?

With regards to masturbation. I may be circumcised now, but I grew up uncut, and have read and gree with the anti-circ document by Dr Beauges who advocates proper masturbation technique to ensure the foreskin can remain easily retractable throughoiut puberty and adulthood.

The problem is that guys with tight foreksins adapt their masturbation method to NOT stretch their foreskin as that is uncomfortable, so their tight foreskin remains or gets worse. Stretching exercises might loosen up the foreksin, but if the masturbation method does not change to ensure full retraction at every stroke, then the skin tightness can return.
First off, guys who are uncircumcised do not have to fully stroke their foreskins up and down in order to achieve pleasure. It's been observed that even during sex, uncircumcised guys tend to make shorter, shallower thrusts then their circumcised brethren.

Second, Dr. Beague also advise full retraction of the foreskin as soon as possible, because he feels it is necessary to have the foreskin to develop in a healthy manner, even suggesting that it be pulled back during infancy and early childhood. We now know that retracting the foreskin too soon can actually lead to many of the problems he was trying to prevent. Not his fault, his report came out in 1990, before a lot of the relevant information was readily available.

Finally, your assertion is that there is a permanent behavioral change necessary in order to maintain the gains in mobility from stretching. How exactly do you explain those who have performed foreskin restoration? Do you think they all have to perform the restoration process forever, otherwise their foreskin will retract back and leave them where they started?
 
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