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Weird? Is that an ad hominem attack? I do think it is. :frown1: I thought the circ squad was above that. The air up there on Mount Olympus must be a little thin today?

Any who it's high time we celebrate the foreskin for what it is. Have you no reverence at all? It is our savior, our redeemer, our King. The joy bringer, the love giver. The night school teacher, the good life preacher. The caretaker, the kiss craver.

Nothing else generates so much praise here at LPSG.
 

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Do you hear what I hear?

Did someone say 'fetish'?
Do you hear what I hear?
A foreskin
a foreskin
shivers in the cold
let us bring it silver and gold
for it will being us goodness and light

Weird? Is that an ad hominem attack? I do think it is. :frown1: I thought the circ squad was above that. The air up there on Mount Olympus must be a little thin today?

Any who it's high time we celebrate the foreskin for what it is. Have you no reverence at all? It is our savior, our redeemer, our King. The joy bringer, the love giver. The night school teacher, the good life preacher. The caretaker, the kiss craver.

Nothing else generates so much praise here at LPSG.

Ah Sargon, it's not as much fun to debate you when you don't even pretend to not be trolling. Did your attempts at defending your stance break you?

It's okay though, go ahead and vent. Let everyone here know what you really think. When you're done, do you think you could find the time to finally dispute Sorrels? Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis - Sorrells - 2007 - BJU International - Wiley Online Library You whine, you squirm, you dodge, you deny, but still the same arguments are waiting for you. Careful though, we wouldn't want you to damage what remains of your obviously fragile psyche. :tongue:

PS- ::whisper:: You might want to refrain from singing songs comparing foreskin to your lord and savior Jesus Christ. I think it wierded everyone out a little. :wink:
 

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Weird? Is that an ad hominem attack? I do think it is. :frown1: I thought the circ squad was above that. The air up there on Mount Olympus must be a little thin today?

Any who it's high time we celebrate the foreskin for what it is. Have you no reverence at all? It is our savior, our redeemer, our King. The joy bringer, the love giver. The night school teacher, the good life preacher. The caretaker, the kiss craver.

Nothing else generates so much praise here at LPSG.

Nope, an ad hominem is an "attempt to negate the validity of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it." Your claim isn't invalid because you're a weird dude. Your claim is invalid because it's wrong. That's a totally separate issue from you being a weird dude.
 

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A doctor diagnosed a foreskin problem. Suggests circumcision. In what way ios this a fetish ? The OP wanted some advise whether circ was necessary or not. The anti-circ brigade has a standard answer of "circ is never necessary" without even considering what the current state of the guy's foreskin really is. The OP did not state whetyer the pictures in his profile reflect the current state of his foreskin or not.

With regards to masturbation. I may be circumcised now, but I grew up uncut, and have read and gree with the anti-circ document by Dr Beauges who advocates proper masturbation technique to ensure the foreskin can remain easily retractable throughoiut puberty and adulthood.

The problem is that guys with tight foreksins adapt their masturbation method to NOT stretch their foreskin as that is uncomfortable, so their tight foreskin remains or gets worse. Stretching exercises might loosen up the foreksin, but if the masturbation method does not change to ensure full retraction at every stroke, then the skin tightness can return.

What doctors say doesn't mean shit.
I had three doctors tell me my son needed to be circumcised at two, for phimosis. Now, they know it can't be diagnosed at that age, because it is normal, thanks to the Oster study in Denmark.
Doctors missed my sister's painful abdominal problem for 5 years. She couldn't count the doctors she saw for it, or the trips to emergency. When they finally found the inflammed fallopian tube, it was the size of a large zucchini. They asked her if they could photograph it for the record books.
My uncle got a clean bill of health. A week later, he had a heart attack at 45, and was dead before he hit the pavement, even though guys who knew CPR were on him immediately. I awoke after prostate surgery, with the doctor's hand on my dick. He had screwed up, and a piece of prostate was blocking urine. He was trying to flush it out, at 3 AM, without waking me, to cover his tracks.
I love my current set of doctors. They have earned it. No one should ever do what a doctor tells them, without the doctor first earning their trust.
This is at best a misdiagnosis, and at worst, a doctor who wants surgery whether their patient needs it or not.
Surgery is the last thing you try for a tight foreskin. Right after stretching, checking for yeast, betamethasone cream, and dorsal slit.
Once again, you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
 

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Do you hear what I hear?
Did someone say 'fetish'?
Do you hear what I hear?
A foreskin
a foreskin
shivers in the cold
let us bring it silver and gold
for it will being us goodness and light


You promised to leave this discussion behind, multiple times. You lied.
 

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Weird? Is that an ad hominem attack? I do think it is. :frown1: I thought the circ squad was above that. The air up there on Mount Olympus must be a little thin today?

Any who it's high time we celebrate the foreskin for what it is. Have you no reverence at all? It is our savior, our redeemer, our King. The joy bringer, the love giver. The night school teacher, the good life preacher. The caretaker, the kiss craver.

Nothing else generates so much praise here at LPSG.

Nothing makes me laugh harder, than that the guy who made the film Cut, a stinging indictment of circumcision by an Israeli, shares your name.
 
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Your claim is invalid because it's wrong. That's a totally separate issue from you being a weird dude.

weird

   [weerd] Show IPA adjective, weird·er, weird·est, noun
adjective 1. involving or suggesting the supernatural; unearthly or uncanny: a weird sound; weird lights.

2. fantastic; bizarre: a weird getup.

Huuum looking at the definition your comment seems a but incongruous.


What 'claim' is invalid mi amigo? I stand by them all.
 

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The thing that gets me is that the OP specifically asked for alternatives to Circumcision, because he does not want to go through the surgery. That's what he got, then the pro circ brigade is getting all butthurt about it.

I mean, honestly, if he'd asked about differing thoughts, or framed it in another way, maybe, but he explicitly said he did not want to be circumcised!

/People.
 

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weird

   [weerd] Show IPA adjective, weird·er, weird·est, noun
adjective 1. involving or suggesting the supernatural; unearthly or uncanny: a weird sound; weird lights.

2. fantastic; bizarre: a weird getup.

Huuum looking at the definition your comment seems a but incongruous.


What 'claim' is invalid mi amigo? I stand by them all.

"incongruous" with what? you're a pretty confused writer.

You don't exactly make clear arguments very often, but your stuff defending RIC has been consistently among the worst arguments here. You're mostly here to troll, as far as I can tell.
 
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sargon, you are a seriously weird dude.

Nope, an ad hominem is an "attempt to negate the validity of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it." Your claim isn't invalid because you're a weird dude. Your claim is invalid because it's wrong. That's a totally separate issue from you being a weird dude.

I see so you can redefine 'ad hominem' at will by adding the disqualifier 'your claim is invalid because you're wrong'. Then launch an actual ad hominem attack. And you don't even have to prove it. Nice. So you weren't trying to be negative by saying 'weird'? It was a compliment then :wink:

You don't exactly make clear arguments very often, but your stuff defending RIC has been consistently among the worst arguments here. You're mostly here to troll, as far as I can tell.

Troll? Now how did you put it in another thread?
Sorry to piss in this topic's collective bowl of Wheaties.
And there you go with RIC again. Your obsession is peaking out again. I hardly ever mention RIC as I could care less about the cocks on little babies but you can't stop talking about it You should really see someone about that before your interviews for med school start should you even manage to get that far. This board takes up a majority of your time.

Then again your mission statement here is very clear.
It's counterintuitive to me that someone would prefer to be circumcised. It's something I'd never want for myself.

 

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I see so you can redefine 'ad hominem' at will by adding the disqualifier 'your claim is invalid because you're wrong'. Then launch an actual ad hominem attack. And you don't even have to prove it. Nice. So you weren't trying to be negative by saying 'weird'? It was a compliment then :wink:

"Your claim is invalid because you're wrong" isn't an ad hominem attack; it's a tautology. I'm not sure you grasp how logic works very well.

Troll? Now how did you put it in another thread?Sorry to piss in this topic's collective bowl of Wheaties.

I'm a troll because...I made an argument that went against the collective consensus (thus far) in a thread? I make genuine arguments and I defend them. That's the opposite of trolling.

I'm calling you a "troll" because you spend a lot of time taking empty potshots, and criticizing people for caring about an issue that you possibly post on more often than anyone else here in the forum's history. You're more interested in provocation and personal attacks than in adjudicating the truth or reality.

[/INDENT]And there you go with RIC again. Your obsession is peaking out again. I hardly ever mention RIC as I could care less about the cocks on little babies but you can't stop talking about it You should really see someone about that before your interviews for med school start should you even manage to get that far. This board takes up a majority of your time.

Then again your mission statement here is very clear.


Yes, I care about RIC, because it's an ethical issue that's not among the most important, but I think it has a pretty obvious answer. (I assume you don't think personally criticizing people on the Internet is the most important issue, but you do it pretty obsessively.)

This board doesn't take up a majority of my time at all. I have 0.55 posts per day. You have 2.73. Just get over yourself and reply to something substantively for once.
 
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aninnymouse and others: this isn't a case of supporting circumcision for the guy's apparent problem.

It is a case of saying that there are cases where circumcision is the only real solution. And without knowing what the OP's true condition and whether this conition appeared recently or has always been that way, we can't know, nor can we tell the guy that he doesn't need to be circumcised.

With regars to masturbatio: Beauges didn't advocate early retraction. He advocates teaching boys how to masturbate properly so the foreskin is widthdrawn fully at every stroke to ensure that the foreksin remains easily retractable troughout the guy's life.

If you have conditioned youself you not retract fully during masturbation, and you do stretching without changing your masturbation habits, chances are high that the foreksin will tighten back over time.

Beauges's recommendations are part of the anti-circ brigade's arsenal. I happen to agree with that doctor's recommedations. Retract it or lose it. Yis recommedations apply to older boys and teenagers, not to infants.
 
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"I assume you don't think personally criticizing people on the Internet is the most important issue, but you do it pretty obsessively.)

I must say you do love double standards. Who was it again that started this most recent stream? Now how weird is that?


" I have 0.55 posts per day. You have 2.73. Just get over yourself and reply to something substantively for once.

You do love meaningless stats. Shall I count the length of your posts (again)? You always have me beat by at least 2-to-1. Do I have to 'Donald Duck' that for you?

Since you do love 'research' I'd like you to find my posts regarding this:


...your stuff defending RIC has been consistently among the worst arguments here.

I'd be fascinated to hear my arguments regarding RIC.
 

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I must say you do love double standards. Who was it again that started this most recent stream? Now how weird is that?

As always, you don't understand my point. You criticize others for arguing about things you consider insufficiently important. I'm asking you if you find people arguing about insufficiently important things on the Internet to be sufficiently important, and if not, why you do it.

You do love meaningless stats. Shall I count the length of your posts (again)? You always have me beat by at least 2-to-1. Do I have to 'Donald Duck' that for you?

I'm criticizing you for being superficial and taking pot-shots, and your response is "BUT YOUR POSTS ARE LONGER." Shit, man, got me.

Since you do love 'research' I'd like you to find my posts regarding this:

I'd be fascinated to hear my arguments regarding RIC.

Exactly--me too. Thousands of posts on circumcision and you haven't managed to make a single complete argument between them other than "HAY GUYSE WHY YOU POST ABOUT CIRCUMCISION SO MUCH." Pot, kettle, Sargon.
 

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The problem is that guys with tight foreksins adapt their masturbation method to NOT stretch their foreskin as that is uncomfortable, so their tight foreskin remains or gets worse. Stretching exercises might loosen up the foreksin, but if the masturbation method does not change to ensure full retraction at every stroke, then the skin tightness can return.
Yes this

I changed the way I did it, now I can pull it back as tightly as possible without any pain.
feels really good too.
 

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Nope, there is no one correct way to masturbate. I hold Beaupre in highest regard.
If he said that, he was wrong about it. Your foreskin doesn't get tight because you don't pull it back with every stroke.