Class Warfare!!

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upperdown, since you equate the mob with government, you shouldnt be using any of its services: roads, schools, parks, stoplights, pedestrian crosswalks and on and on. Somalia might be more of your choosing. send us a postcard and tell us how lovely no taxes are.
 

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Do you actually believe that lowering taxes will raise revenues?
How much EXTRA revenue have the Bush Tax Cuts brought in over the years they've been in effect?

Its not without basis.

In fact, it makes intuitive sense.

If the tax rate is at 100% as the Democrats want, nobody would go to work as you would have no reason. So at 100% tax rate the revenue would be approaching $0.

At 0% tax rate you would bring in $0.

So, there is a balance some where in the middle.

So, by definition alone, he is correct.
 

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upperdown, since you equate the mob with government, you shouldnt be using any of its services: roads, schools, parks, stoplights, pedestrian crosswalks and on and on. Somalia might be more of your choosing. send us a postcard and tell us how lovely no taxes are.

So, move from a state with a massively overbearing, corrupt, disaster of a government to one thats worse?

I would move to Hong Kong in a minute if I could get work there.

Lets address your "don't use it then" point, as its the most childish thing I've heard in a long time:

Why I will continue to use those things:
1) I paid for them
2) I have no choice

The government is the mob. Just today I heard that the mob is raising the price of a Powerball ticket to pay for their bullshit projects. Know who used to "run numbers"? I'll give you a guess.

Now the mob/government has a monopoly lotteries. Interestingly enough there has been several attempts to bring about more honest (better than 150,000,000:1 odds) games that would, in some instances, have a positive effect on people who like to waste their money on the lottery. Guess what? They can't do it. It's called "racketeering".
 
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I would move to Hong Kong in a minute if I could get work there.

The government is the mob.

So are you saying actually saying you would prefer to live and work under the Chinese government? Is that what I'm hearing?
 

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So are you saying actually saying you would prefer to live and work under the Chinese government? Is that what I'm hearing?
If I lived in Hong Cong, absolutely.

Do some research if you're going to start blabbing about how much worse the Chinese government is than the US. Seriously.
 

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If I lived in Hong Cong, absolutely.

Do some research if you're going to start blabbing about how much worse the Chinese government is than the US. Seriously.


whole heck of a lot more pollution and a lot less worker safety laws...that's for sure.
 

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If I lived in Hong Cong, absolutely.

Do some research if you're going to start blabbing about how much worse the Chinese government is than the US. Seriously.

Well, for one thing, China is a COMMUNIST country - where capitolism is, you know, a jaunty little experiment.

But, ya know, you're absolutely liberal enough to endure that.:rolleyes:
 

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Hong Kong is an SAR (Special Administrative Region) of China and will be for another 40 years. There are fewer places to my knowledge that operate capitalism so well.

It is an extremely popular place for Expats, though I take the point about air quality. However if you want something addressing, the Hong Kong Authorities are a very good bet to get things done.

I find the place very impressive, commercially, administratively and in terms of social welfare. Western Countries drowning under their debts could do worse than to learn a few lessons from Hong Kong.
 
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Well, for one thing, China is a COMMUNIST country - where capitolism is, you know, a jaunty little experiment.

But, ya know, you're absolutely liberal enough to endure that.:rolleyes:

China is a little more complicated than that. Like it or not, it is poised to become the world's #1 economy very soon, thanks in great part to its government's cynical embrace of capitalism-with-asterisk.


 

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Ohh I would love to live in 'Hong Cong'. :rolleyes: Is it somewhere near Funkytown?

Maybe you should read up.

Why China's Rich Want To Immigrate To America

"Leo Liu, marketing manager at Beijing emigration consultants Goldlink, said the company has noticed an increasing trend of rich Chinese wanting to emigrate, particularly to Canada, in the 15 years since it was founded."

Guess Forbes overlooked the minor details. :rolleyes: I could give you first hand on this, but your jingoism would probably block it.

The Top 5 Emigration Destinations for 2011 | 1st Contact eNews

People buy green cards - I considered it myself a few years ago - just as an insurance policy. You don't actually have to live in the US.

Of course there are many worse places to live, but you are still kidding yourself if you think the rest of the world dreams of being an American.
 

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China is a little more complicated than that. Like it or not, it is poised to become the world's #1 economy very soon, thanks in great part to its government's cynical embrace of capitalism-with-asterisk.



I don't think my post implied that China is uncomplicated. I certainly didn't intend to imply that. Also, I was under the impression that China already was the #1 economy in the world, though I'm too lazy at the moment to look up facts on that.

China's embrace of "capitolism" isn't just cynical - it's tongue-in-cheek. You wanna see exactly what happens when "socialist" ideas like industry regulation and worker safety are tossed out the window, check out China. In fact, the state-run media routinely suppresses stories about unsafe work conditions and dangerous pollution.
 

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You're forgetting some of Obama's biggest fans...the ones that don't work at all and just ask for free shit.

Who are you talking about?

There absolutely is justification.

Wildly different pay rates aren't a new invention, and they existed in every country that tried to be "fair."

Some skills are not in demand, some skills are. I work around a lot of software developers. Your average man off the street cannot walk in and write the software we need. Thus, they get paid $65/hour. They had to invest heavily in themselves in order to get their job.

I think most people would agree that some people are more intelligent, talented, or skilled than others or that some skills are in higher demand. Few of us have a problem with the people who have more to offer earing more. However, I dispute the idea that anyone's work is so important that they should earn exorbitant sums of money--more money than anyone could ever possibly used or need--at the expense of paying others a living wage.

Elizabeth Warren, Massachusetts candidate for U.S. Senate (running against Scott Brown) said:

I hear all this, y'know well, this is class warfare...this is whatever. No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody...Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.
Elizabeth Warren on Debt Crisis, Fair Taxation - YouTube

We should also remember that the skills that are in high demand today could be obsolete in a few years. Or the jobs could be sent overseas. What's someone supposed to do after investing years in an education in a particular field and building a career in that field only to have the work dry up when the product becomes outdated and is replaced by new technologies (possibly emerging from other countries)?

How crazy does this sound: We'll raise taxes and improve the economic output of our country. Not only is that impossible, it is horrifically stupid. But, is it crazy? No. Its guided by political agenda. Maybe I've just spend a lot more time following these issues than the people on this board, but I don't even think the liberals are crazy. They are just horribly, horribly, horribly misguided and indoctrinated.

That's funny, I've always thought the same thing about conservatives.

With regards to the idea of raising taxes and improving the economic output of America...the idea, which you are crudely misstating, is neither horrifically stupid nor horribly misguided. The idea is to close tax loopholes for corporations and the wealthy, particularly the richest 1%, in order to make sure the pay their fair share of taxes. (I won't get into the argument of exactly what their fair share should be at this time. The point is, right now they are paying relatively little, and in some cases less than people who earn far less money than they do.) That way the government (federal, state, and local) can continue to provide the services on which we all rely, and begin to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. This will create jobs and put money in the pockets of people who need money. People who need the money will spend the money, thereby increasing demand for goods and services. As demand increases, more jobs are created, and the economy grows.
 
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You have no real :sleeping: :sleeping:
Then again neither does Forbes Magazine. Oh forgot here's the address:

Forbes Magazine
60 5th Avenue
NY, NY 10011

why don't you write Forbes and send them your data. Let's see if they agree and post your letter.