Clinton Ends Bid, Will Endorse Obama

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    #1 B_becominghorse, Jun 4, 2008
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    I know I'm gonna get my ass chewed out by some....but I hope she gets the nod to be the VP candidate.....she deserves it
     
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    Hell fuckin' yeah, baby! That's why I started the goddam thread, so as to protect you from wicked people!
     
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    Thank God. Now, everyone can focus on defeating McCain.

    ...and where IS Trinity?
     
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    I can't see Obama beating McCain, even if Hillary is chosen as his running mate (which I highly doubt).

    When McCain's president, I don't want any bitching from the Democratic party. They had their chance and blew it. :mad:
     
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    Unless McCain starts taking his cod liver oil, I think he's just gonna be steamrollered, bigbull.
    But we will see.
     
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    Thanks man! I must make a confession though. I voted for Obama in the primaries in Al. The biggest reason was I wanted a fresh start; fresh new blood in the White House. I love Bill and Hillary :)headbang: :notworthy: :07:) , but I was/am ready for something besides a Clinton or Bush. I think Bill was one of the greatest presidents of our time, despite his sexual indescretions and NAFTA, and I despise Bush, and no longer have much respect for McCain (other than his service to our country and POW status), so I voted for the freshest face; the one person who hasn't totally been corupted by DC.
     
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    I totally agree. Let's just hope there arent any hanging chads or some other bullshit. I look forward to a change, because if you havent noticed lately, it sucks out there. Fucking $4.00 for gas, food prices through the roof and people out of work.
    Lets pray Obama can truly stand by his words and make a change, for the better and not just for change.

    God Bless America!
    Peace
     
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    I sometimes hated Bill while in office, but on balance, they are among the most fantastically theatrical Americans of any kind--in all of our history--and I too love them, despite all their enormous flaws, just because they are truly interesting all the time, and really have big personalities--both of them. They are almost old-fashioned in the hugeness of their personalities.
     
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    In this situation, where there is no incumbent, the person who looks more youthful and vigorous, who is able to capture imagination, who has better telepresence, is the person who wins. I believe McCain is going to look like Nixon in the historical 1960 debate unless they hire some exceptional makeup artists and spray his face with alum. I have yet to be wowwed by McCain in any debate. His voice is soft, he's not naturally animated, and even when angry he has all the fury of a mouse. He simply lacks Obama's stage presence, which I think is very similar to Bill Clinton's with a bit more statesmanship thrown in.
     
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    No. What's sad is that you reduce it to such terms.

    Why does it have to be sexist or racist?
     
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    Or the DNC would rather put forth the candidate with more votes and a consistently higher popularity rating, rather than get nearly of the remaining super delegates behind the trailing candidate in order to create a last minute upset.

    In any case, Obama stands a strong chance of beating McCain, and with Hillary his chances are even stronger. The more McCain talks, the more ammunition he gives Obama to counter with. Add a touch of Hillary's voracity and tenacity to Obama's eloquence and stoicism, and it won't be long before he's able to strike at the heart from the podium.
     
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    I like McCain but I can't see how he can possibly win this. Clinton was a tougher opponent than McCain could ever be and Obama defeated her. I see Obama getting stronger and stronger and winning over more people as the campaign continues. He's positioned well and anything he achieves is more than what anyone would have ever expected.

    I'm not sure what the democrats blew. The stronger candidate prevailed.
     
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    As far as I can tell, from a complete outside pov, Clinton did not lose because she's a woman and Obama did not win because he's black, nor indeed vice versa*. That makes me extremely happy. Sections of the media, and even some campaigners, tried to make this about racism and sexism but it seems good sense prevailed - I don't see the policies that Clinton and Obama touted as being vastly different (tho' I'm open to correction on that one) and I think the nomination was won and lost on charisma, expectation and overall suitabilty and, having paid slightly more attention lately, I think the better candidate won.

    Still, I don't think an Obama Presidency is on the bag. I understand what you mean, HyperHulk, when you say "Clinton was a tougher opponent than McCain could ever be and Obama defeated her" and that would indeed be true if the electorate in the two 'competitions' were the same. But you can't compare an electorate of mainly card carrying Democrats** to an electorate of the general population. I hope Obama does win - I think the US needs a Democratic Presidency, I think it will go a long way to helping America bridge some of the divides springing up with the rest of the world as well as being good for America as a country.

    * By which I mean Clinton didn't lose because Obama is black and Obama didn't win because Clinton is a woman.
    ** Again I'm open to correction, maybe there are more open Primaries than I think?
     
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