Clinton/Obama symbiosis...?

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  1. playainda336

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    So now that Obama has won the nomination, here are my thoughts.

    Clinton has made it all but impossible for Obama to go into the November election without choosing her as his Vice President. She has repeatedly ranted that "he's not ready" and "he's not electable" and you know what? She admittedly has a cult following saying the exact same thing (see: Trinity). At this point, she's made it seem like if he doesn't have her at his side, that he just simply shouldn't be elected. And she's making a great argument about it too (see: popular vote).

    However, her hands are tied as well. If she doesn't follow Obama and become his VP, her political credibility would be thrown out of the window. All of her talk of "making sure a Democrat gets elected" would seem like hogwash. Come November, if Obama loses (because of her lack of participation and support), her political career will go down the drain. Also, if anything "happened" to Obama, she would be the person most likely to have fingers pointed.

    At this point, do you feel that they "need" each other to win in the Fall?
     
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    What's funny?
     
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    She needs him far more.

    For every Trinity out there, a HazelGod is waiting. Obama did very well precisely because he wasn't Clinton and he appeals to the cross-over and independents. I know Republicans who would vote for Obama but would rather vote McCain than Clinton no matter which slot she's in. Too many people just vehemently hate her or Bill or both.
     
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    It's hard to say whether he really needs her.
    Did you hear McCain this evening? He was embarrassing, awful ... entirely inadequate as a speaker. (And I like McCain.)
    I think there's a good chance Obama will win even without Clinton.
    But if he wants a near sure thing, as sure as things get in politics ... I think he needs her.
     
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    Well yes, he's the presumptive nominee (and that won't change) and she isn't.

    But let's not represent our sides with data skewers and name callers anymore.
     
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    McCain may have been awful, but Obama was no Reagan either. A few passages made him sound dangerously close to Rev. Wright as the crowd became enthused. He's got to watch that and appearing too Kennedyesque. Dan Quayle learned what happens when you try to identify too closely to that myth (specter).
     
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    Well, I agree that she needs him more, however...if she continues her pursuit all the way until August, it will be very damaging to the Democratic campaign.

    Will she honestly give up without being offered the VP slot?
     
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    I think so. If she gets enough of her people in, enough guarantees on legislation.

    I think her focus on the health care issue in the speech we hear earlier is a bid to get appointed to a presidential health care committee where she can draft her legislation and be the woman who founded the US national health care system. Of course she'll want other concessions, appointments, and help with her campaign debts. She's not going to go down without assuring her political future under an Obama administration.
     
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    that gave me a good giggle. :p

    i totally agree with play though. i can't imagine Obama choosing anybody else as his VP. It just makes good sense to choose Hillary considering the amount of support she managed to get. She was soooo close to beating him.
     
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    I giggled as well...nice one, Jase.

    Seriously, though, Will...expand your thoughts a bit. There are many candidates for VP that would be better choices than Hillary...Richardson being the most obvious.

    Hillary's a liar, she's manipulative, she's vindictive, and clearly cares absolutely nothing for the democratic process. She's poison, plain and simple. She has no place in the governance of the American people.
     
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    Winner/runner-up tickets don't traditionally have much appeal to voters. Once the nominee is made, having the runner-up as Veep makes the candidate look weak, like he was forced into that position. It also doesn't woo many voters outside the party itself. The key is to create a dramatic ticket with a veep who will most appeal to independents and cross-overs, carrying a state or region the nominee wouldn't otherwise carry. No way is New York going to vote for McCain. It isn't happening. I think Hillary, being extremely savvy, isn't going to enjoy twiddling her thumbs in the Naval Observatory waiting for Obama to leave office. Obama is not going to have a veep as visible or powerful as Cheney lest people draw parallels between Clinton and Cheney. The president cannot fire the vice-president. The veep is just as elected as the president is and he doesn't want someone as polarizing as she is anywhere near his administration (at least not yet).

    It seemed a natural metaphor. :wink:
     
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    Your point has been clear since post one. You just hate her. Speaking of poison. Your avatar, your opinions......we should rename you HATEGOD.
     
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    Why, gjorg, why? I love you, man! :kiss:
     
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    lol well put,dont forget "its" one and only picture of "its" claw giving the bird.Feel the love.
     
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    lol...i'm supposed to be upset with all the Hillary bashing, but man, Hazel, that's too funny.

    i swear, all i am getting from these political threads are laughter.
     
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    I have said it before and I will say it again,"This is for the nomination,not the Presidency".
    I am so fed up with politics and the mental mass midgets of this country I could puke. If I hear words like Katherine Harris,hanging chads,DNC or Floriduh , well you get the picture. History and the rest of the world will have a great laugh at us and our demodratic process.
     
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    As it should be...this is a night for celebration. Democracy scored a huge win. We should all be elated!
     
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    Your too young to remember Nixon Vs. Mcgovern but its one reason we have super delegates. Please don't count your chicks before they hatch.

    Oh, I forgot if obama does pick hillary then you will be voting Mccain. Your one of those wild hair up your ass swing votes that don't count anyway.
     
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    Fixed that for ya, sugarbutt.

    Not sure where you're getting your info, but you need to ask for your nickel back. McCain was never an option for me.
     
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