Clinton/Obama symbiosis...?

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The Obama fans that worry about Muslims and their delicate, sensitive problems are not looking at his staunch support of Israel, which Hillary even pointed out this morning. He is having to do this, because there is going to be no silly theatrics with Ahmadinejad and the other Middle Eastern freaks.

Yep, he supports Israel because it is the right thing to do. Ahmadinejad is a total freak... aren't his clownish antics fairly unique in the Middle east though? Yes, I worry about the Muslim's delicate and sensitive problems, but don't want any harm to befall on the Jews either.

muslims are scapegoats for people who like to play cowboy and create an imaginary bad guy.

Well said sir.
 

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guess who's MURDERING while al qaeda is PLOTTING?? white people. jews. christians. blacks. mexicans. EVERY FUCKING BODY. muslims aren't the only murderers, and in many respects their numbers pale in comparison to other races/religions. muslims are scapegoats for people who like to play cowboy and create an imaginary bad guy. EVERY FUCKING BODY is the bad guy, focusing on muslims is narrow-minded and unrealistic.

Of course they're all murdering, wasn't disputing that. just that Islamic terrosism IS a specific thing, and has to be dealt with as such. Frankly, Obama has already proved with statements made about Waziristan that he is going to focus on the real Muslim extremists there, and not this idiocy of just going to an Arab country like Iraq and destroying the whole world virtually, in such a fiasco.
 

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guess who's MURDERING while al qaeda is PLOTTING?? white people. jews. christians. blacks. mexicans. EVERY FUCKING BODY. muslims aren't the only murderers, and in many respects their numbers pale in comparison to other races/religions. muslims are scapegoats for people who like to play cowboy and create an imaginary bad guy. EVERY FUCKING BODY is the bad guy, focusing on muslims is narrow-minded and unrealistic.

And the sooner everyone realizes this, the sooner our nation can start to heal itself. But for the time being, some Republicans are gonna push the Muslim & Black Assassination button all the way into November. I just hope enough people don't fall for it.

It's this election's new & improved scare tactic. Now with Ginseng!
 

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Of course they're all murdering, wasn't disputing that. just that Islamic terrosism IS a specific thing, and has to be dealt with as such. Frankly, Obama has already proved with statements made about Waziristan that he is going to focus on the real Muslim extremists there, and not this idiocy of just going to an Arab country like Iraq and destroying the whole world virtually, in such a fiasco.

thanks for clarifying, although i'm sure some members of this site want every last muslim, old women, babies, and all, to parish for being back-pack toting extremists. i wonder how those 60 year old muslim women carry those heavy explosives. my question is, why focus only on them?? why not focus on people who are murdering all together?? like the ones in the US who constantly rotate in and out of jail, and the cops don't even keep track of them even though they're on parole. a local valedictorian/college student with a promising future was murdered by a parolee who's ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT would lose track of him for years at a time. i think we have enough problems in our own homeland without having to worry about who MIGHT be plotting against us. there are thousands upon thousands over here who just go ahead and fucking kill people. why haven't i heard that being addressed?? oh yeah, because the murderers are american, that's no fun.
 

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Yep, he supports Israel because it is the right thing to do. Ahmadinejad is a total freak... aren't his clownish antics fairly unique in the Middle east though? Yes, I worry about the Muslim's delicate and sensitive problems, but don't want any harm to befall on the Jews either.

You can't support both the Israelis and their Arab enemies, who comprise nearly all Arab nations in the Mideast. No, Ahmadinejad is in no way unique in the Middle East, nor are Islamic stonings and other atrocities unique to Iran. This is very easy to even just google, so I'm not going to outline all the business of Syria.

just to say that those real leftists who are TRULY worried about pitiful Muslism and their primitive fucking religion are NEVER supportive of Israel--never ever. You're an American bleeding-heart liberal and have good will in a certain fairyland sense, think everything can be 'nice for everybody'. Well, it can't, and it won't. And You'd do well to start thinking about how it won't and decide where your most important loyalties are. Your idol Obama definitely knows where his are, as do the rest of the people who've gotten up into those positions (this is one thing the shitheads and the semi-shitheads have in common, even a pig like Tom DeLay knew who his friends were.)_
 

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To get back to the original question, I think an Obama Clinton ticket (not necessarily meaning one needs the other) is a logical choice.

Predicted it'd be that way months ago.
 

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And the sooner everyone realizes this, the sooner our nation can start to heal itself. But for the time being, some Republicans are gonna push the Muslim & Black Assassination button all the way into November. I just hope enough people don't fall for it.

HA!! hope people don't fall for it? might as well wait up for santa claus while you're at it.
 

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And the sooner everyone realizes this, the sooner our nation can start to heal itself. But for the time being, some Republicans are gonna push the Muslim & Black Assassination button all the way into November. I just hope enough people don't fall for it.

It's this election's new & improved scare tactic. Now with Ginseng!

I really doubt they'll get that far with this, even though they'll undoubtedly try it. Only the most backward are going to pay any attention to the Hussein and rhyming-Osama nonsense. They'll surely play whatever race card they can, because they know that will work, but Obama people cannot even accuse the Clintons of using the Muslim garbage, and Hillary firmly said that, of course that was a crock of shit.

Of the 3 people Obama chose for his Veep Consultancy, least comprehensible is Caroline Kennedy. Not only does she not know shit and just has a big name, Hazelgod and Tripod are so obviously more qualified than any of the 3 chosen.

Can you just imagine what would happen if Hazel tried to really force his campaigning services on Obama? Now that would be a moment in which we'd see Hazel turn to McCain without basing anything on Hillary's 'cunt-dom'. :tongue: [Obama: 'Get that out-of-control hayseed out of my sight!']
 

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I really doubt they'll get that far with this, even though they'll undoubtedly try it. Only the most backward are going to pay any attention to the Hussein and rhyming-Osama nonsense. They'll surely play whatever race card they can, because they know that will work, but Obama people cannot even accuse the Clintons of using the Muslim garbage, and Hillary firmly said that, of course that was a crock of shit.

Of the 3 people Obama chose for his Veep Consultancy, least comprehensible is Caroline Kennedy. Not only does she not know shit and just has a big name, Hazelgod and Tripod are so obviously more qualified than any of the 3 chosen.

Can you just imagine what would happen if Hazel tried to really force his campaigning services on Obama? Now that would be a moment in which we'd see Hazel turn to McCain without basing anything on Hillary's 'cunt-dom'. :tongue: [Obama: 'Get that out-of-control hayseed out of my sight!']

you don't think it'll work?? you overestimate our country. there's an abundance of ignorance and some of us LOVE is when the "bad guy" isn't chistian and has brown skin and speaks a different language.
 

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you don't think it'll work?? you overestimate our country. there's an abundance of ignorance and some of us LOVE is when the "bad guy" isn't chistian and has brown skin and speaks a different language.

Frankly, no, I don't. There's a lot of ignorance everywhere. Racism doesn't always have to do with 'brown skin' anyway, not that black skin or yellow-hued Chinese skin should be any different. Just that brown skin, specifically includes so many different kinds of groups--from Puerto Rican to Hindu to American Indian (which is not all that red-looking in my experience, most of theirs looks like a nice suntan too) to Polynesians--and there is not necessarily racism practised. You really don't have to look far back to find an era when Arabs were not discriminated against except when it comes to the Palestine/Israel problem.

So, it has to be ARAB HATRED that would constitute racism comparable to what is historically mostly against blacks. But I don't see that most people, except Jews, have that much anger against Arabs in general. Until Al Qaeda and the Egyptian fanatics got started in the late 80s (and that's where Zawahiri comes from, that bunch in Egypt), and the attacks started, with the 1993 WTC attack, and growing in the 90s with the 2 attacks in Saudi Arabia by Al Qaeda (even though they're trained Saudis), the USS Cole, and before that the African embassies, these were all al-Qaeda. After 9/11, there were the London Underground bombings, the Mardrid, the Jordan, the Bali....Westerners have every reason to be suspicious, because all these sorts of terrorist attacks (including those nipped in the bud like last summer) are Muslim extremists. That's just a fact, and doesn't have anything to do with racism. It may be bigotry toward a religion. In my case, I fully admit to having prejudice against Islam in a way I have it toward no other religion, but anti-Christian sentiment (which almost all atheists in particular are, even though they will, as frequently when they are Marxists, champion Islam even though Marx shunned all religion) is fashionable.

The whole crap of Islamic jihad is something Obama is just as much against as I am, so you might as well realize that Obama's political interests are Western, they are pro-Israeli and they are not pro-Muslim. It isn't really worth thinking about right now, but I think that with Rev. Wright there was something that Obama's opponents knew was controversial, and Wright himself certainly thought so too--but I think only a small group of rednecks will start pulling the Obama-as-Muslim card unless some dirt from the past can be pulled up. But they'll ALL do that--and people that don't think Obama will do it given half a chance are all wet. People need to learn that all politicians are more alike than they are different--it's almost always a matter of choosing the least bad.

Of course, we Westerners are 'bad' too, but we have to realize that it's our badness. Hatred of Islam is not what started this shit, it is, rather the islamic perception that only the Prophet knows what can be good, the belief in martyrdom (I think I'll bump that article about the Belgian woman working on the internet for Al Qaida), the constant nonsense about 'the great Satan' and 'the infidels'. When taken to extremes, this is a religion currently more dangerous than any of the others (which, I suppose, are more mature and less fanatical by now, etc.)
 
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I had respect for Caroline Kennedy,I will have to google some more.
IMHO kennedys and Clintons are like oil and water. Kennedys believe that there is only room for one American royal family, and consider the Clintons to be newcomer southern white trash. In their opinion there will only be one camelot.
 

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I had respect for Caroline Kennedy,I will have to google some more.
IMHO kennedys and Clintons are like oil and water. Kennedys believe that there is only room for one American royal family, and consider the Clintons to be newcomer southern white trash. In their opinion there will only be one camelot.

Yes, and when the Clintons came to New York, a lot of Park Avenue society expressed this snooty sentiment. Of course, Mrs. Onassis was and Caroline is very much a part of that, which can be very fine. I didn't really mean my little barb about Caroline, I have a late friend who knew her and John, Jr., back in the late 80s and was fond of them. As well as Mrs. Onassis. It just seemed bizarre that Caroline should have anything to do with actual decision-making, it almost sounds like she should be doing the decor and choosing menus and table settings--just being a JFK descendant is not credential enough. Beautiful girl herself, though.
 

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When taken to extremes, this is a religion currently more dangerous than any of the others (which, I suppose, are more mature and less fanatical by now, etc.)

when ANYTHING is taken to an extreme it's dangerous, christianity, anything, muslim has nothing to do with it. EXTREMISM is dangerous, not the religion itself. it's misinterprations of the religion that leads to extremism. currently, yes it is the biggest "threat" but in the bigger picture, an extremist muslim is no more dangerous than an extreme bigot or extremist christian. the common factor here is extremism, not islam.
 

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when ANYTHING is taken to an extreme it's dangerous, christianity, anything, muslim has nothing to do with it. EXTREMISM is dangerous, not the religion itself. it's misinterprations of the religion that leads to extremism. currently, yes it is the biggest "threat" but in the bigger picture, an extremist muslim is no more dangerous than an extreme bigot or extremist christian. the common factor here is extremism, not islam.

Yes, I'm just talking about right now, this period. The Crusades were thoroughly murderous, of course. Extreme bigots and extremist Christians are equally dangerous, but not in terms of blowing up U.S. and European cities.
 

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Yes, I'm just talking about right now, this period. The Crusades were thoroughly murderous, of course. Extreme bigots and extremist Christians are equally dangerous, but not in terms of blowing up U.S. and European cities.

actually i feel like it's simply a media spin to zero in on extreme muslims. what makes you think another "oklahoma city bomber" type episode won't happen any time soon or is less likely. personally i feel like it's slightly MORE likely since everybody's focusing on muslims, the only difference is if a white person does it it'll be "oh my god what a shock" if a muslim does it it'll be "told ya so"
 

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actually i feel like it's simply a media spin to zero in on extreme muslims. what makes you think another "oklahoma city bomber" type episode won't happen any time soon or is less likely. personally i feel like it's slightly MORE likely since everybody's focusing on muslims, the only difference is if a white person does it it'll be "oh my god what a shock" if a muslim does it it'll be "told ya so"

Don't agree. I've given my reasons. The Oklahoma City terrorism is thus far the one glaring exception. I don't think another exception is impossible, I just KNOW that you are skirting the issue here. It has nothing to do with black person or white person in this case. People are focussing on the Muslim extremists because they are the ones who have done most of it thus far, and their plans are being announced and uncovered all the time.

It is decidedly not a media spin. You've gone too far there.

I neglected to add that in the Oklahoma City bombing, they did initially suspect a Muslim (after all we'd already had the 1993 WTC bombing), but within a day or two McVeigh was found, and he'd barely even tried to cover his tracks. That's a sad story, and 'American Terrorist' is worth reading even though McVeigh was still alive when it was written.
 
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You have to be careful when talking about race. Arabs (even Palestinians and Syrians) and nearly all Jews are of the same racial group. Many people call them Semitic though the term Semitic refers to the language groups which these people speak. Arabic and Hebrew are in the same language group. Most Iranians are Caucasians as are people from India and Bangladesh no matter how dark or fair they may be. Race is tricky. The more we learn via genetic studies, the more clear it becomes how many racial groups are not where we expect them to be or, more oddly, appear in places history says they should not be.
 

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You have to be careful when talking about race. Arabs (even Palestinians and Syrians) and nearly all Jews are of the same racial group. Many people call them Semitic though the term Semitic refers to the language groups which these people speak. Arabic and Hebrew are in the same language group. Most Iranians are Caucasians as are people from India and Bangladesh no matter how dark or fair they may be. Race is tricky. The more we learn via genetic studies, the more clear it becomes how many racial groups are not where we expect them to be or, more oddly, appear in places history says they should not be.

That's why talking about Muslims is not talkiing about race. They can be Caucasian as easily as Arab. And Black Muslims have long been established.

I knew a white-and-black couple, he was Black Muslim and she converted.

Neither were Muslim extremists. All of Bin Laden's disciples are, even though it really wasn't supposed to be done, traditionally speaking--you know, all the martyrdom and terrorism. That's something Bin Laden introduced as he hypnotized his people into going to kill themselves while he continued to get more Cave Pussy.
 

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Don't agree. I've given my reasons. The Oklahoma City terrorism is thus far the one glaring exception. I don't think another exception is impossible, I just KNOW that you are skirting the issue here. It has nothing to do with black person or white person in this case. People are focussing on the Muslim extremists because they are the ones who have done most of it thus far, and their plans are being announced and uncovered all the time.

most of it in recent years, in history i'd guess the murder ratio is either level or may even prove that muslims are NOT at the top of the list. because they've been the main focus RECENTLY doesn't mean that overall they're more deadly than anyone else.

It is decidedly not a media spin. You've gone too far there.

what's media spin is how muslims are stated to be the most/only violent race/religion. if two kids commit robberies at different times, depending on how you look at it and WHEN you look at it, you can argue that one is more of a klepto than the other, even though they both commit robberies.
if you catch one in the act, you're prone to say "hey, this one's the big criminal" and the other is off the hook so to speak simply because the focus is on the one who's currently committing the crime. one thing i constantly see in the media is brown criminals and white victims, even though, in some areas, white people commit more of certain crimes than others (including some murders). as an american, i know more people who were killed by americans than i know people who were killed by terrorists. the ONLY way the ratio differs is if you go to their stomping grounds which, of course will mean in that area they're committing the most murders. i'm fairly certain that more americans were killed by americans in recent years than killed by terrorists, so why is the bad guy in the news always a muslim?? simply because "extremist muslim murders" make better, more sensational news than "an american killed an american".

I neglected to add that in the Oklahoma City bombing, they did initially suspect a Muslim (after all we'd already had the 1993 WTC bombing), but within a day or two McVeigh was found, and he'd barely even tried to cover his tracks. That's a sad story, and 'American Terrorist' is worth reading even though McVeigh was still alive when it was written.

thankyou for pointing this out and recognizing the racism and the "bad guy HAS to be someone brown/foreign/or muslim" mentality that many americans hold, even though americans BY FAR victimize one another more than terrorists do.