Clinton-Obama Ticket Stirs Fear in GOP

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  1. Trinity

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    Clinton-Obama Ticket Stirs Fear in GOP



    By Paul Bedard
    Posted 12/11/06
    The possibility that a potential Democratic presidential primary matchup between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama could lead to a Clinton-Obama ticket is raising concerns in GOP circles that it might be unbeatable.

    While Democratic strategists are more skeptical of the success of a ticket composed of two minorities, some Republican advisers to the White House and leading 2008 hopefuls Sen. John McCain and Rudy Giuliani see the ticket as an easy winner built on the enthusiasm it would generate in Democratic circles.

    Their theory is that Clinton would stand a good chance to pick up the states that Sen. John Kerry won in 2004. While not enough to win the election on her own, the addition of Obama would help push closely divided states like Ohio over into the Democratic column, thereby giving the Clinton-Obama ticket the White House.

    "Listen, we've got some lackluster people running on our side, and that is exactly the kind of ticket that would get their side in a fever pitch," said a Bush ally. Democrats aren't so sure it would work, though, because of Clinton's high negatives and Obama's short résumé and race. But the Bush adviser said those factors are actually winners: Obama could help soften Clinton's image and bring more African-American voters to the ticket as well as independents seeking real and symbolic change.

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  2. Skull Mason

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    I think at this point they need to be on the same ticket or it is all over for the demos. After all this drama if only one is on the ticket then the other half might be pissed off and vote for the white devil.
     
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    Seriously. The party leadership has already squashed the idea of such a ticket.

    Obama wouldn't have her on the bill, and Hillary's done her damnedest to make it impossible for her to have him on the ticket without requiring such a major turnaround that she'd implode. Obama's credibility would go to zero, and Hillary's would go negative...which, according to many insiders, usually makes her happier than a hog in slops.
     
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    It's pretty clear that ol' Bill Richardson will probably be Obama's choice for a running mate unless something changes in the next few months.

    I have no idea who would be Hillary's running mate... I can't think of anyone right now.
     
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    Oh, there must be at least one or two quasi-prominent fellas out there interested in political suicide...
     
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    Maybe. Maybe not...there is always a way to unify and assuage what's been done in battle if the two former opponents stand united.

    The party leadership will have much to reconsider because it is already beginning with the Republican machine:

    Conservative Attack and Destroy
     
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    Careful, Trinity...you're starting to sound like a certain senator from Illinois.
     
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    This has been done before. JFK getting Lyndon Johnson on his ticket is the most known case of it happening.

    Right now Obama may be saying one thing. But, if he wins the nomination and he finds out Clinton will take the VP spot and Obama knows that Clinton won't change her mind. He will ask her.

    Hillary is looking for a place in history. At age 60 Hillary knows that she might not get another chance. Being the first female vice president is still major historical event. And considering how many vice presidents have moved up, it would be her best chance at becoming President one day.

    Obama knows that he needs the Clinton voters to win the white house. Clinton has already made it public that she wants Obama has her running mate.
     
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    I can't believe that you're all getting excited about who is going to shaft you........american politics represents a one party state. okay you may have two parties - twiddle dee and twiddle dumb.... please read das capital
     
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    Don't forget the fact that Obama has waged a nearly flawless and squeaky clean campaign. of course Hillary wants him as her running mate, that's 'cause Obama has been almost chivalric in his attempt to win the nomination... why wouldn't she want such a nice damn guy on her team?

    On the other hand, Clinton has waged a pretty dirty campaign and has taken the low road seven or eight times too many. Obama's people most likely have been hurt and pissed off by Hillary's scorched earth campaign tactics and don't want her anywhere near the general election.

    She wanted to win at any cost, including splintering the democratic party. Obama's people and supporters know this. We don't want her running as president after she showed America her true colors. In fact I, as an ardent democrat, would be fine if she left politics permanently. I will NOT vote for her now... before the campaign started, I was ambivalent towards her and tried to defend her when Republicans would knock her and talk smack.

    But, now I know why the republicans hate her so damned much. I don't hate her per say, but her campaign managers should be frog marched out of Washington for what they have done to him and the democratic party. I will never forgive them.
     
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    Because he knew these tapes would come out. He probably figures as long as he can just deflect any attacks on him he can win the nomination.
     
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    A Place in history is what both will have to consider. For Obama the Vice Presidency is feasible and then running as the heir apparent being six years younger than Sen. Clinton is now. The option of the VP spot is not feasible for Sen. Clinton. How exactly would should run after Obama? Besides should Obama somehow surmise that he belongs on the top of the ticket, he would be fully persuaded that he can beat McCain based on his own hype. In the case of believing the hype, Obama will most likely lose. It's more likely that Obama will realize that he can't win the Presidency this election and will take a win win as VP and go on to run for President.

    Obama himself on several occasions has recognized that his campaign has had its problems.

    If you can't beat them, join them. It's always been about who's the best candidate if you were hiring for a job of President. Do you take the woman who was trained by one of the best Presidents of the corporation or the new young guy with savvy talk of change and charm? In these times of war and economic recession its best to go with the candidate who knows the most. Inspiration isn't overrated but its definitely a bottom of the ticket item.

    This election cycle has been unprecedented. This is the toughest primary in the history of primaries. No race has been closer. The Democratic process is so difficult Democrats have been daunted. The American climate is so bad we talk more about Hillary and Barack than we do about Pres. Bush dancing on the White House Steps waiting for McCain while 4 tour military personnel continually die in a War that Bush lied to the American people about. This election has Hillary Clinton the first woman and Barack Obama the first African American posed to possibly be the nominee. This election cycle has seen a 46 year up start, his first time out of the blocks, with a scant political resume consisting of no foreign policy experience, a state legislative tenure, an unfinished US Senate term, a few years as a lawyer, a few years learning community organizing to make it farther than governors and mayors with executive experience, lifelong Senators and Congressmen with pages of experience. This election cycle has seen the media fail to scrutinize a candidate and treat him with kid gloves. No other candidate has faced what Hillary Clinton faced. Not even Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton enjoyed the majority of the African American Vote and was affectionately dubbed the first African American President as he was not running against a viable African American candidate.

    Hillary Clinton has faced the toughest circumstances and unfairness and sexism associated with this election cycle and being the first woman to cross this threshold the best way any woman could. She is fighting valiantly just as any man...for the privilege of being President.
     
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    Listen to yourselves....sad or what.. you really buy into this voting changes things crap.
    Theres only one way - communism
     
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    How about Obama/Clinton Trinity? Does that work for you?

    That's quite an old posting...12/11/06!
     
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    I suggest a manchego, or perhaps a sottocenere.
     
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    What is kind of funny (in a sad, sick way) is that Hillary has an uncanny knack of choosing men with busy trousers.
    They say lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, but in this case it has.
    It will be intresting to see if it will happen a third time.
     
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    yawn yawn yawn....this thread should be in the script of the mad hatters' tea party....
     
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