CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

[D_Harvey Schmeckel]

Those in the know watch Maddow. :wink:
Although lately, she's starting to become as blusterous as Olbermann on certain issues. Love 'em both, but we don't always need the theatrics.

Agreeing on both counts, I'm hopefully inclined to think Rachel will be a positive influence on Keith more than he will be a negative influence on her. His graciousness about the repuke from Jon Stewart is a sign that he actually considers criticism about tone, unlike his Faux Snooze competitors.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

Quite frankly, the real issue is: can the USA SURVIVE 'his' presidency?

Having started and sold THREE businesses it is heartbreaking to see how many mom/pop type businesses are shutting their doors. AND if you are self-employed you get ZILCH in the way of unemployment pay.

BUT the good news is: if you are looking for PRIME office/restaurant space - it is EVERYWHERE!

We will truly be the "land of opportunity" if we can JUST SURVIVE as a nation.

It's easy to understand why your businesses went bankrupt.

 

[maxcok]

1. I'm an Independent, totally disgusted with Obama for capitulation to the Right, big business, Congressional Republicans, to the point of saying I disapprove of his performance to a Zogby poll.
2. I have never voted for a Republican in 38 years of voting and never will. But until Bush II I wasn't convinced that Republicans are a dangerous and maniacal threat to our democracy-- which their performance in the opposition has only confirmed.
3. Point: don't count your Republican chickens on account of this poll, as many who think Obama is a fuckup would never vote R in a million years.

You make an excellent point. I've been a registered Democrat all my life, and though I have at times voted for Republicans at the local level, I have never voted Republican for national office. I support our president, but like many others, became disenchanted and disappointed with his peformance last fall. Had I been polled between September and January, I would have given him low approval ratings. Thankfully and most impressively, he seems to have pulled it together, beginning with his State of the Union address, and gone masterfully on the offensive. I now support him enthusiastically and would give him very high marks.

Again, it's a public opinion poll, for whatever that's worth, and pointedly does not identify why people think the way they do. Nor does it offer an alternative. It is meaningless.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

1. I'm an Independent, totally disgusted with Obama for capitulation to the Right, big business, Congressional Republicans, to the point of saying I disapprove of his performance to a Zogby poll.
2. I have never voted for a Republican in 38 years of voting and never will. But until Bush II I wasn't convinced that Republicans are a dangerous and maniacal threat to our democracy-- which their performance in the opposition has only confirmed.
3. Point: don't count your Republican chickens on account of this poll, as many who think Obama is a fuckup would never vote R in a million years.

And I'm right there with ya on all counts. I actually used to be an active Republican up until I was about 28, and now I'll never vote for them again. The whole rehashing of failed Nixon era agendas, the corporate corruption, the ass kissing of the wealthy, the debts chasing all of those ideological fantasies, it was just too much to bear. And many, many other Americans feel the same way, just as strongly.

When push comes to shove, the only person who could beat Obama right now is a truly moderate, non-partisan candidate. If a Rep could beat Obama, they already would have in '08. Mike Bloomberg from NYC is the only name that quickly comes to mind that would stand a chance in this political environment. There are probably a few others, but they would have to be a 3rd party candidate, NOT a Republican.

 

[D_Harvey Schmeckel]

You make an excellent point. I've been a registered Democrat all my life, and though I have at times voted for Republicans at the local level, I have never voted Republican for national office. I support our president, but like many others, became disenchanted and disappointed with his peformance last fall. Had I been polled between September and January, I would have given him low approval ratings. Thankfully and most impressively, he seems to have pulled it together, beginning with his State of the Union address, and gone masterfully on the offensive. I now support him enthusiastically and would give him very high marks.

Your point also is well taken. While I've not been moved back to enthusiastic support by recent events, he has got me back from "somewhat disapprove" to "somewhat approve"-- more with the asswhupping visit to the Republicans than from the SOTU address. Yet it would be a stretch to say he's earned reelection! Although disgusted with the D's, I would never vote for a third party candidate in a presidential election. The media-propagated meme "Independents think Republicans are too conservative, and Democrats too liberal" would be the basis for any such candidacy, and it's evil propaganda BS. This Independent thinks Republicans are insane fascists and Democrats capitulating wimps-- which means I want someone to the "left" (meaning people before corporations) of the Dems. Never gonna happen in this country! So I'll vote D, hold my nose, and pray that the gdmf R's never get back in control.

 

[Rikter8]

he plays by the rules too much

True..

Oh wait... isn't that what got us in this mess in the first place, is NOT playing by the rules?

1. De-regulation of the banks...
2. Open checkbook to a ficticious war and planned re-construction...
3. Burning up 2 of the largest corporate filing cabinets in NY...
4. Telling outright lies to the public and their own staffmembers to get MORE money...

Eh..that's enough.

Star,
If you think Obama is Bad - You'd better do some retrospect on how bad a DIRTY republican fucked this country.
His old man did it
Junior followed suit.
When you gonna learn?

If Palin is your idea of a "Good President" - say no more. You'll just embarrASS yourself more.

I'm starting to think Trinity and Star are the same person. Both have a knack for starting absolutely baseless tasteless false threads.

 

[cameltoelover]

The American Right Wing is without doubt the most dangerous force in the world.

 

[maxcok]

Your point also is well taken. While I've not been moved back to enthusiastic support by recent events, he has got me back from "somewhat disapprove" to "somewhat approve"-- more with the asswhupping visit to the Republicans than from the SOTU address. Yet it would be a stretch to say he's earned reelection! Although disgusted with the D's, I would never vote for a third party candidate in a presidential election. The media-propagated meme "Independents think Republicans are too conservative, and Democrats too liberal" would be the basis for any such candidacy, and it's evil propaganda BS. This Independent thinks Republicans are insane fascists and Democrats capitulating wimps-- which means I want someone to the "left" (meaning people before corporations) of the Dems. Never gonna happen in this country! So I'll vote D, hold my nose, and pray that the gdmf R's never get back in control.

To clarify, I enthusiastically support his efforts at the moment, not for what he has accomplished thus far, and not for what he said in the SOTU - but for the 'asswhuppins' as proof of his rhetoric, and his newfound determination to push his message along with his agenda. I faulted him for letting a lunatic fringe control the message last summer/fall, leaving members of Congress to fend for themselves in town halls, and letting a few Republican and 'Independent' (read Leiberman) legislators strip the Healthcare bill in the spirit of "compromise". Despite Obama's threat to "call you out" in his previous address before Congress, I saw no evidence of that until the meeting with the Republican caucus. I now see Candidate Obama merged into President Obama. That is truly inspiring, and I support his effort 100%.

I actually would vote a third party candidate, if they earned my support, and if they had a good chance of winning. So far no one has come remotely close to those criteria. Other than not being bothered by whatever stench may or may not arise from the Dems, I'm pretty much in agreement with you otherwise. Nothing is going to change in this equation until we get serious about campaign finance reform. In fact with the recent SCOTUS decision, it's all about to get a whole lot worse. If people think I bang that drum too much, tough shit. It's the root of the whole problem, ignoring it is foolish.

 

[b.c.]

So, let's put the question out there.
If Obama doesn't deserve re-election, then who takes his place and WHY?
If you cannot answer both parts... then shut your trap.

I'm all for putting Sarah in there. Let her be president. That'd be some fuckin' "just deserves", eh?

 

[Aplomado]

True..

Oh wait... isn't that what got us in this mess in the first place, is NOT playing by the rules?

1. De-regulation of the banks...
2. Open checkbook to a ficticious war and planned re-construction...
3. Burning up 2 of the largest corporate filing cabinets in NY...
4. Telling outright lies to the public and their own staffmembers to get MORE money...

Eh..that's enough.

Star,
If you think Obama is Bad - You'd better do some retrospect on how bad a DIRTY republican fucked this country.
His old man did it
Junior followed suit.
When you gonna learn?

If Palin is your idea of a "Good President" - say no more. You'll just embarrASS yourself more.

Look! My post has already been written for me!

 

[DaveUSADAV]

Republicans are socialists. They use government to ensure the welfare of the banks, the corporations, Wall Street, the rich and the powerful. That's socialism. What socialism is not is wanting what these criminals stole from you and me back. That is not socialism- that is justice, that is righteousness, that is democracy. This is the message Obama must state and the policy he must pursue- to recover what was stolen- if he wants me and most other Americans back.

 

[D_Theobald Knutsak]

France is still number 1, dipshit.

Link. Skip to page 18 for the list.

Yes...dipshit... look at the date of that... thats when they were #1... The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task....

Still how is our dumbass going to pay for this shitcare? hmmm raise taxes something he said he wouldnt do one of the reasons he got voted in...

Another reason obama was voted in is because of his skin color. 96 percent of blacks voted for him.
Are Black Voters For Obama Racists? - NAM

Fuck obama now and forever!

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^You realize you're a racist coward, right?


ps... Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on working class people, and he and the Dems haven't, they have lowered them, exactly as they said they would. It's one of not very many things they actually have kept their word on.

 

[maxcok]

Yes...dipshit... look at the date of that... thats when they were #1... The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task....

Why don't you ask the French what they think of their healthcare system? I understand they're pretty happy. Or the Japanese, or . . . virtually anyone else in the modern industrial world - except for Americans.

Another reason obama was voted in is because of his skin color. 96 percent of blacks voted for him.

And since that translates into something less than 12% of the vote, you explain the landslide by?
And why the small 'o'? You can't even bear to capitalize his name? Sad.

Fuck obama now and forever!

Pathetic.

^You realize you're a racist coward, right?

Nuff said.

 

[B_Mister Buildington]

^You realize you're a racist coward, right?

What did he say that was racist?

PA here too, btw. Pittsburgh.

edit: Oops, I misread.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Another reason obama was voted in is because of his skin color. 96 percent of blacks voted for him.
Are Black Voters For Obama Racists? - NAM

YAWN. This is too easy.
Let's see if you can pay attention.

The number of people in America as of the 2000 Census - 281,421,906
Number of White People in America - 194,552,774 (69%)
Number of Black People in America - 33,947,837 (12%)
CensusScope -- Population by Race

Number of Registered voters who participated in the 2008 Election 125,225,901 (99%)

Number of Voters per Candidate -
Obama - 66,882,230 (53%)
McCain - 58,343,671 (46%)
President - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Percentage of 2008 Voters by Race
White - 74% (44% for Obama / 55% for McCain)
Black - 13% (95% for Obama / 4% for McCain)
Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

When you crunch the numbers, roughly 8.6 million people who voted were Black. If you took out the 95% of Black people who voted for Obama you'd still be left with 58,662,276 votes. That means, our beloved "articulate negro" President would have still won. So much for your "he only won because he was black" hypothesis. That is, unless you want to say that everyone else voted for him out of "Latino Heat", the "Asian Persuasion" and "White Guilt"?

Fuck obama now and forever!

That's Michelle's job... and going by the way she looks, I'm sure she's taking care of that department quite well. But if I took a wild guess, I'd guess you're not getting fucked at all?

 

[B_starinvestor]

Republicans are socialists. They use government to ensure the welfare of the banks, the corporations, Wall Street, the rich and the powerful. That's socialism. What socialism is not is wanting what these criminals stole from you and me back. That is not socialism- that is justice, that is righteousness, that is democracy. This is the message Obama must state and the policy he must pursue- to recover what was stolen- if he wants me and most other Americans back.

The government will make a profit on the Bush bailout package. A substantial portion has already been repaid.

The above post couldn't be more inaccurate. Every word/phrase is incorrect.

 

[Trinity]

YAWN. This is too easy.
Let's see if you can pay attention.

When you crunch the numbers, roughly 8.6 million people who voted were Black. If you took out the 95% of Black people who voted for Obama you'd still be left with 58,662,276 votes. That means, our beloved "articulate negro" President would have still won. So much for your "he only won because he was black" hypothesis. That is, unless you want to say that everyone else voted for him out of "Latino Heat", the "Asian Persuasion" and "White Guilt"?

You do realize that the President is elected by the electoral college and not the popular vote don't you? All those vote totals and links you actually thought were useful to post and hoped demonstrated your political acumen *sigh*

You are right about one thing. Obama didn't win because of his skin color, however Obama got more African Americans to vote in significant states and was able to swing states with significant electoral votes Democratic.

panelists discussed the factors that led to Obama’s sizeable win over Republican John McCain, noting that in addition to the large black turnout, which engendered a sense of pride and investment in the civic process for many African-Americans, young voters and significant support from whites and Latinos also played a role.

NAM

So, a large African American turnout did help Obama win. Vikes did say "another reason Obama was voted in."

 

[B_VinylBoy]

One shot only. Try to be objective and not so sectarian.

You do realize that the President is elected by the electoral college and not the popular vote don't you? All those vote totals and links you actually thought were useful to post and hoped demonstrated your political acumen *sigh*

Why thank you Mrs. Obvious.
I was looking at the issue strictly from the angle of race since vikes1221 made it one. We obviously don't have the time, nor will I waste mine, surveying the racial demographic of 50 states and do all the math to make sure each state maintains the same results. There's only 10,000 ASCII characters per post and 24 hours in a day. Besides, even if I did all the research and posted all my findings here, people like you would simply say, "I don't get it" and dismiss it without even truly trying to comprehend it.

Two years ago I would have fallen for this. Not anymore. I expect adults to use common sense here if even just a LITTLE BIT. Can you demonstrate that you have that ability? *SIGH*

You are right about one thing. Obama didn't win because of his skin color, however Obama got more African Americans to vote in significant states and was able to swing states with significant electoral votes Democratic.

Wrong.
As you can see with the information I already provided, if you took all Black votes out of the equation, or if you just eliminated the 95% that voted for Obama, he would still have more of the popular vote. Also, considering that most black & minority votes are registered in the city districts of any state, and also knowing that these districts usually vote Democrat in every election, that wouldn't have made any significant changes in the overall Electoral College tallies. Simple cause & effect here that can be easily surmised using adult level COMMON SENSE.

Advantage still goes to the "articulate, teleprompter reading negro".

So, a large African American turnout did help Obama win. Vikes did say "another reason Obama was voted in."

But his context suggest that without Black people, he wouldn't have won. Last time I checked, caucasians still have the mass majority in population. Numerically, 95% of Black people (male or female) in this country is nothing compared to the 45% of caucasians males that also voted for him. Try to spin this all you want, the numbers simply don't add up.

It's amazing that in 2010, we still got people bitching about Obama's victory based on racial arguments. Perhaps if McCain/Palin and the rest of the Republican base knew how to properly cater to minorities they wouldn't have this problem come election time? Of course, that's ANOTHER common sense issue that seems to escape Obamaphobes these days.

BTW, you can thank me for teaching you how to use the "rolleye smiley" later.

 

[Trinity]

One shot only. Try to be objective and not so sectarian.

Okay...let's see where this goes.

Why thank you Mrs. Obvious.
I was looking at the issue strictly from the angle of race since vikes1221 made it one. We obviously don't have the time, nor will I waste mine, surveying the racial demographic of 50 states and do all the math to make sure each state maintains the same results. There's only 10,000 ASCII characters per post and 24 hours in a day. Besides, even if I did all the research and posted all my findings here, people like you would simply say, "I don't get it" and dismiss it without even truly trying to comprehend it.

Two years ago I would have fallen for this. Not anymore. I expect adults to use common sense here if even just a LITTLE BIT. Can you demonstrate that you have that ability? *SIGH*

That is an excuse that really has no bearing on this. Looking at the matter from what it was - the affect of the African American vote on Obama's win...you would have to look at it from the electoral college perspective and not the popular vote.

Wrong.
As you can see with the information I already provided, if you took all Black votes out of the equation, or if you just eliminated the 95% that voted for Obama, he would still have more of the popular vote.

So what? The President isn't elected by the popular vote and a candidate can win the popular vote and still lose the election.

Also, considering that most black & minority votes are registered in the city districts of any state, and also knowing that these districts usually vote Democrat in every election, that wouldn't have made any significant changes in the overall Electoral College tallies. Simple cause & effect here that can be easily surmised using adult level COMMON SENSE.

Nothing in that statement supports your argument. If you are going to correct Vikes, you are going to have to prove your argument.

But his context suggest that without Black people, he wouldn't have won.

Nope. What Vikes said was "another reason Obama was voted in" which means that there were other reasons included the African American vote that got Obama elected.

Last time I checked, caucasians still have the mass majority in population. Numerically, 95% of Black people (male or female) in this country is nothing compared to the 45% of caucasians males that also voted for him. Try to spin this all you want, the numbers simply don't add up.

There is no spin. Locking down the entire African American vote and increasing the number of African Americans who voted in key states with significant electoral college votes helped get Obama elected in addition to significant support in other groups. One more time:

panelists discussed the factors that led to Obama’s sizeable win over Republican John McCain, noting that in addition to the large black turnout, which engendered a sense of pride and investment in the civic process for many African-Americans, young voters and significant support from whites and Latinos also played a role.

NAM