CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

[maxcok]

One shot only. Try to be objective and not so sectarian.

Dude. Seriously. Take a pill and have some more cookies.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

That is an excuse that really has no bearing on this.

No bearing because of your "beliefs", of course, but the fact still remains.
Even if you take out all of the black votes, Obama still maintains a majority in the popular vote and would very likely retain all Electoral College votes since that would only affect totals in urban areas that already vote Democrat by a heavy margin. That is, unless there's been a recent surge of minorities living in the rural and suburban areas we weren't notified of.

Looking at the matter from what it was - the affect of the African American vote on Obama's win...you would have to look at it from the electoral college perspective and not the popular vote.

Already explained the only reason why I viewed it from the issue of race is because vikes1221 made it such. Because in all honesty, saying that one of the main reasons why Obama won is because 8 million Black people voted is a VERY lame excuse.

So what? The President isn't elected by the popular vote and a candidate can win the popular vote and still lose the election.

Either way you look at it, he still won, and did so with a clear majority and no extraneous court involvement. Stop making excuses and accept it.

Nothing in that statement supports your argument. If you are going to correct Vikes, you are going to have to prove your argument.

Sorry, but the numbers are there for everyone to see. Just because you and vikes1221 will not accept it doesn't mean that others will not be able to look at it and make their own decisions. That's the only reason why I rebutted. I'm not here to convince either one of you to agree with me because I know you never will.

Nope. What Vikes said was "another reason Obama was voted in" which means that there were other reasons included the African American vote that got Obama elected.

Yes... and I listed them too.
Or can you not come to grips that an average of 43.5% of White people voted for Obama? Or an average of 66% of Latino people voted for him? Or 64% of any other race besides caucasian, Black or Latino also voted for Obama?

There is no spin. Locking down the entire African American vote and increasing the number of African Americans who voted in key states with significant electoral college votes helped get Obama elected in addition to significant support in other groups. One more time:

NAM

That's fine... but don't think anyone here can't pay attention to the context of vikes1221's statements. And the fact that you're now defending it further supports the theory. You're easier to read than a Dick & Jane book.

The only reason why you and vikes1221 are even talking about the "Black Vote" is because you're trying to imply that most Blacks who voted for Obama were doing it just because of his skin color, therefore making it a racist issue. Knowing that they only made up roughly 8 million, or 13% of the total voting population in 2008, casting their ballots in highly populated urban areas that already vote Democrat to begin with regardless of a person's skin color, you and vikes1221 are doing nothing but indirectly suggesting that most Black people didn't make an informed & educated choice. Or, in your native tongue, you're referring to them as a bunch of "dumb n******".

I've spent enough time out of the city, being the only dark spot in Whitopia, to already know how this shit works. I know a statement with underlying racial intent when I see it and people like you are NOT clever. I don't care how carefully you try to word things... when you connect all the dots, this is where it all eventually leads to. That's why you constantly refer to one portion, ad-nauseam, acting like someone here is not getting your point when we're already PAST IT. Try keeping up with the conversation once in a while. And keep in mind... before you claim that this is some kind of "liberal bullshit", before you think I'm just disagreeing with you because of any other superficial thing, remember that I voted for Hillary during the Primary. AND YOU SUPPORTED HER TOO. But unlike someone like you that votes by way of pussy, I vote for whom I believe is the better candidate. Obama/Biden was better for our nation than McCain/Palin. The American People decided that. Period. And I'll be damned if any bigoted troll like yourself or vikes1221 would suggest that my main reasons for voting Obama was just because he's Black.

In closing (and before I grab a refill of HG's medicine), perhaps I can give you and vikes1221 a suggestion? You two should meet somewhere in an open field in Arkansas on the next full moon, bring along a 5 gallon jug of moonshine & Lipton tea, burn a cross and yell the N-Word over and over again until you both burst in synchronized orgasm. Trust me, even though you'll still be stuck listening to an "articulate, telepromter reading negro president" for another 2-6 years you'll feel better in the morning.

In the almighty words of your Lord and savior,Dick Cheney, "go fuck yourselves". Engaging HG medicine sequence in 3... 2... 1...

 

[maxcok]

. . . In closing (and before I grab a refill of HG's medicine), perhaps I can give you and vikes1221 a suggestion? You two should meet somewhere in an open field in Arkansas on the next full moon, bring along a 5 gallon jug of moonshine & Lipton tea, burn a cross and yell the N-Word over and over again until you both burst in synchronized orgasm. Trust me, even though you'll still be stuck listening to an "articulate, telepromter reading negro president" for another 2-6 years you'll feel better in the morning.

In the almighty words of your Lord and savior,Dick Cheney, "go fuck yourselves". Engaging HG medicine sequence in 3... 2... 1...

Great analysis, my brother. Allow me to just add that Gore also received 95% of the black vote and Kerry 93%. Inexplicably they still managed to lose (though those in the know, know otherwise).

I'm totally down with all you said VB, except for this. Could they have that showdown in Alabama instead of Arkansas? Arkansas is actually pretty cool, lots of artists and progressive types there, environmentally conscious thanks to them and the Clintons, and the Ozarks are beautiful. Would hate to have that mess over there.

Bama on the other hand, as I've said before, is the armpit of the Universe, no offense to armpits. Except for Birminham. Birminham be cool. I'll bring the shine and the sweet tea. Wanna cookie?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

OK... because you requested it. Arkansas lives. :wink:
And thanks for the assist!

 

[b.c.]

Either way you look at it, he still won, and did so with a clear majority and no extraneous court involvement. Stop making excuses and accept it.

...Forest for the trees, my friend, forest for the trees...

The only reason why you and vikes1221 are even talking about the "Black Vote" is because you're trying to imply that most Blacks who voted for Obama were doing it just because of his skin color, therefore making it a racist issue.

Bingo. We couldn't have possibly voted for the guy because he was clearly far and above the best choice for the job, better by far at least than McCain and Palin (what fuckin' jokes they were, eh?).

In the almighty words of your Lord and savior, Dick Cheney, "go fuck yourselves".

Bro, you could have cut to the chase and posted just this part. Would've saved yourself a helluva lot of time.

 

[maxcok]

OK... because you requested it. Arkansas lives. :wink:
And thanks for the assist!

Anytime, brother. And just for your edification, we don't use Lipton, we're partial to Luzianne.
Goes good with cookies. :wink: :wink:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Bro, you could have cut to the chase and posted just this part. Would've saved yourself a helluva lot of time.

You know I have a thing for the drama sometimes, b.c. :wink:

 

[Boondocksaints]

Another reason obama was voted in is because of his skin color. 96 percent of blacks voted for him.
Are Black Voters For Obama Racists? - NAM

Fuck obama now and forever!

But black voters also overwhelmingly voted for Clinton too. The majority of black people usually vote Democrat, whatever race the candidate is.

 

[Trinity]

No bearing because of your "beliefs", of course, but the fact still remains.
Even if you take out all of the black votes, Obama still maintains a majority in the popular vote and would very likely retain all Electoral College votes since that would only affect totals in urban areas that already vote Democrat by a heavy margin. That is, unless there's been a recent surge of minorities living in the rural and suburban areas we weren't notified of.

You failed to prove your argument by the electoral college...plain and simple. Your speculation and use of the popular vote is useless. As the articles point out, the African American vote contributed to Obama's win which is what Vikes stated.

The only reason why you and vikes1221 are even talking about the "Black Vote" is because you're trying to imply that most Blacks who voted for Obama were doing it just because of his skin color, therefore making it a racist issue.

I'm talking about the African American vote because you tried to correct him with a stupid argument - the popular vote. As I stated before, you were right about one thing: African Americans didn't vote for Obama simply based on skin color. You were wrong about Vike's basic premise. Obama garnered the majority of the African American, increased that vote and that vote did contribute to his win.

 

[DaveUSADAV]

The government will make a profit on the Bush bailout package. A substantial portion has already been repaid.

The above post couldn't be more inaccurate. Every word/phrase is incorrect.

Of course they are socialists... conservatives, especially the social ones and the Christian theocrats, are the biggest socialists of all... they yearn to have the power of government change the face of everyone in every way toward their vision of the world. They have stolen my wages, stolen my affordable health care, stolen my freedom, stolen my pursuit of happiness in order for a few of their aristocrats can live like Louis XIV. The teabaggers and the CPACs are the biggest socialists of all next to the Nazis and the Facists they emulate.

 

[Industrialsize]

Yes...dipshit... look at the date of that... thats when they were #1... The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task....

Still how is our dumbass going to pay for this shitcare? hmmm raise taxes something he said he wouldnt do one of the reasons he got voted in...

Another reason obama was voted in is because of his skin color. 96 percent of blacks voted for him.
Are Black Voters For Obama Racists? - NAM

Fuck obama now and forever!

Last time I checked, Black People's votes count just as much as the rest of the Country.

 

[maxcok]

Republicans are socialists. They use government to ensure the welfare of the banks, the corporations, Wall Street, the rich and the powerful. That's socialism. . . .

. . . The above post couldn't be more inaccurate. Every word/phrase is incorrect.

Of course they are socialists... conservatives, especially the social ones and the Christian theocrats, are the biggest socialists of all...The teabaggers and the CPACs are the biggest socialists of all next to the Nazis and the Facists they emulate.

Not to mention all the sweet tax breaks the uber wealthy take advantage of, the sweet tax breaks and subsidies given to corporations, etc. The phrase 'corporate welfare' springs to mind here, and we all know how much star despises anyone on 'welfare'. Course he'll say it's not 'welfare', cause that's only for all those greedy poor people sucking off the state.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Not to mention all the sweet tax breaks the uber wealthy take advantage of,

There aren't many tax breaks anymore. There are tax-free bonds (municipals) and annuities grow tax-deferred; but there aren't many 'breaks' to speak of. Can you be more specific about which 'breaks' you are referring to?

the sweet tax breaks and subsidies given to corporations, etc. The phrase 'corporate welfare' springs to mind here, and we all know how much star despises anyone on 'welfare'. Course he'll say it's not 'welfare', cause that's only for all those greedy poor people sucking off the state.

I've said before, I know people personally who abuse/exploit the system, and I have a real problem with that. I've also stipulated that some folks are worthy of support/assistance.

I know that it is popular to oppose the TARP plan; but I've read extensively on that subject. We absolutely had to bail out Wall Street or there would have been a devastating worldwide crisis. Basically, banks used their assets as collateral to conduct business on a daily basis; and the collateral was essentially being valued at "0" because the toxic assets (mortgages, CDS's) couldn't be sold - Thus there wasn't any money being extended for normal banking activity.

There really wasn't any other way around it. Again, the taxpayers will be paid back - with profits - on TARP.

 

[ZOS23xy]

He's a guaranteed one-termer. I don't know a single person that is happy with Obama. The only ones I've encountered are some of the left wing loons on this site.

Nice set of lines, and you contradict yourself so easily.

Concerning how quick you are to judge--let's wait and see.

Perhaps you can use a time machine and abort the Bush years?

 

[ZOS23xy]

Public opinion poll. Projecting election results nearly 3 years away. No opponent identified.

Public opinion poll.

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This kind of poll could have been delivered a day after Obama got into office, and these same right wing platform loons would have applauded it. When you are trying to address your people, speak their language of dissent, and you'll always have a loyal audience.

Rush Limbaugh is on the air every day and has his audience. However, the only time he makes the news is when he bungles a fact, makes erroneous stupid (and retarded comments). Nothing else he says is news. But he does have a loyal audience.

 

[D_Alastair Pisspoore]

I agree most Americans are unhappy with Obama but you cannot deny the power of the incumbency. I really do not see anyone emerging from the Republican party that could defeat him.

However, in 1990, who knew the name William Jefferson Clinton?

 

[b.c.]

I've said before, I know people personally who abuse/exploit the system, and I have a real problem with that. I've also stipulated that some folks are worthy of support/assistance.

LOL. "Some" you say. How many do ya figure?? No need to answer...avatar says it all.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

starinvestor: And those "some" would be those that adhered to your superficial standards, beliefs, and were willing to piss in a cup to pass a random drug test.

 

[Trinity]

I agree most Americans are unhappy with Obama but you cannot deny the power of the incumbency. I really do not see anyone emerging from the Republican party that could defeat him.

A candidate will definitely emerge.

However, in 1990, who knew the name William Jefferson Clinton?

Exactly.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^A candidate will emerge, but not one who can beat Obama.

And the problem for the right in 2012 is a lot like 1992 in one very big way... If the electorate splits, it's going to split to the right, not to the left. If someone like Palin, Paul and maybe even Bloomberg winds up running as an NPA or 3rd party candidate, it only solidifies Obama's odds of victory.