CNN poll: 52% say Obama doesn't deserve reelection in 2012

[392847]

Don't get too upset about some of these responses from Maxpot.
Casting insults - is what liberals do when they have to respond to a question for which they haven’t already been told the answer. Being averse to deep intellectual thought, they don’t consider their answer intently. They don’t tend to weigh benefits and drawbacks against each other, or spend much time looking for logical mistakes. They simply pick the answer that has been programmed into thier brains.

When they don't have an answer that hasn't been taught - or are required to respond to a question they haven't seen - the reflex is to simply start calling names and insults.

I've come to learn that it isn't anything personal - that is just how they are programmed.

Observation: If "liberals" are attached to the word "progressives" or "dems"(or any variation of the lame ass internet colloquialism)....then please tell me what is the opposite of progression. I mean, who wouldn't want to PROGRESS? I believe the opposite of progression is stagnation. So, by using common sense, we can conclude that if "liberals" are about progression(forward movement), the Republicans are about stagnation (i.e. "old views", "vintage-thinking", etc).

Liberal=liberty=freedom=change=reform=new=progress=forward
Republicans=stagnation=old=stale=dusty=1900's=death

Just an observation. As you were....

 

[B_VinylBoy]

That requires way too much philosophical thought for the average conservitard, therarity84. :tongue:

 

[maxcok]

Casting insults - is what NeoCons do when they have to respond to a question for which they haven’t already been told the answer. Being averse to deep intellectual thought, they don’t consider their answer intently. They don’t tend to weigh benefits and drawbacks against each other, or spend much time looking for logical mistakes. They simply pick the answer that has been programmed into thier brains.

When they don't have an answer that hasn't been taught - or are required to respond to a question they haven't seen - the reflex is to simply start calling names and insults.

I've come to learn that it isn't anything personal - that is just how they are programmed.

I believe there are many similarities to how dogs are trained.

"Thier", fixed that for ya, doll.

Gee, that was easy. Have a nice day. :smile:

 

[392847]

That requires way too much philosophical thought for the average conservitard, therarity84. :tongue:

Ha! I knew it would be a stretch but I thought I'd give it a try anyway. Maybe they would have a light bulb moment. Guess you can't get light from a broken bulb...

 

[Pecker Check]

Max, just curious: what did you fix with 'thier'?

 

[maxcok]

Max, just curious: what did you fix with 'thier'?

Nothing. I just copied starpoop. That's how he spell it.

All I changed was 'NeoCons'. Much more appropriate, and so easy.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Observation: If "liberals" are attached to the word "progressives" or "dems"(or any variation of the lame ass internet colloquialism)....then please tell me what is the opposite of progression. I mean, who wouldn't want to PROGRESS? I believe the opposite of progression is stagnation. So, by using common sense, we can conclude that if "liberals" are about progression(forward movement), the Republicans are about stagnation (i.e. "old views", "vintage-thinking", etc).

Liberal=liberty=freedom=change=reform=new=progress=forward
Republicans=stagnation=old=stale=dusty=1900's=death

Just an observation. As you were....

If you are driving your car, for example, you are progressing. However, if you are driving the car over an embankment or into a lake the progress of the vehicle is not beneficial to anyone.

If someone were to drive the car into a lake and leave a girl in the car, that is an even worse outcome.

The point being - less than ideal outcomes can result from merely being 'progressive.'

 

[B_bigguy83]

i can't wait til 1/20/13 and Obama is out of office. He is pushing his far left agenda down our throats.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^Yeah, I can't believe he seized all of the bank accounts of the wealthy today, and made all private businesses property of the government last wednesday! Plus, he personally remade the FDA definition of food groups to include 'aborted fetus' as a fifth food group!

This guy is a real commie!

 

[D_Harvey Schmeckel]

i can't wait til 1/20/13 and Obama is out of office. He is pushing his far left agenda down our throats.

Every time a rightwinger talks about great big threatening things being shoved down their throats by the scary black president, I know right where their shadow side fantasizes.

 

[392847]

If you are driving your car, for example, you are progressing. However, if you are driving the car over an embankment or into a lake the progress of the vehicle is not beneficial to anyone.

If someone were to drive the car into a lake and leave a girl in the car, that is an even worse outcome.

The point being - less than ideal outcomes can result from merely being 'progressive.'

Chappaquiddick jabs aside...

If one sits in said car...with the engine running...in a closed garage...with the windows up...without even attempting to move...what will happen?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

i can't wait til 1/20/13 and Obama is out of office. He is pushing his far left agenda down our throats.

Republicans, Libertarians, whatever you want to call 'em. NONE of them have any candidate with any real standing at this point to compete. Perhaps if the opposition would stop whining and tried to make a real campaign based on improving our nation (instead of badmouthing everyone currently running things), they would have a shot. But no... instead, all we get is a bunch of birth certificate demandin', government is too big yellin', death panel tootin', large deficit exclaimin', he's a Socialist Nazi bellowin', teleprompter reader shriekin', kill the bill and start over wailin', weak on terror yelpin' nonsense. And Sarah Palin.

Seriously, I would love to see a real Republican, Libertarian or whatever come up with some real ideas that actually spark some real discussion. I've voted outside party lines before and would do it again if the right one stepped up. Too bad none of them passed their party's "purity test".

One thing I will agree with you though. At this rate, maybe Obama will be "out of office on 1/20/13"... but only to make a speech announcing his victory, and then he'll go back in the White House to assume his regular duties.

See you in 2016 if you haven't buried yourself in your bomb shelter yet!!

 

[D_Harvey Schmeckel]

One thing I will agree with you though. At this rate, maybe Obama will be "out of office on 1/20/13"... but only to make a speech announcing his victory, and then he'll go back in the White House to assume his regular duties.

See you in 2016 if you haven't buried yourself in your bomb shelter yet!! [/QUOTE]

Sounds likelier than not, but I suspect that Romney will be the nominee and carry some states that Obama carried in 2008, like VA and NC. Am hoping FL is solidly in the blue column.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Sounds likelier than not, but I suspect that Romney will be the nominee and carry some states that Obama carried in 2008, like VA and NC. Am hoping FL is solidly in the blue column.

If the Republicans were smart, they would have made Romney the VP behind McCain and perhaps the 2008 election would have been closer? But I digress...

 

[SilverTrain]

i can't wait til 1/20/13 and Obama is out of office. He is pushing his far left agenda down our throats.

Now that we have the interwebby, comments like this will survive for all time. And future anthropologists will marvel that so many people were led by so few talk show hosts into thinking that Obama was "pushing a far left agenda".

My god, his behavior is centrist for the USA, and downright "right-ish" for the rest of the world!

I think that, thankfully, we're nearing the end of the period in which some RNC media mouthpiece can go all:

"Look, it's a LIB-ER-AL LEFTIE! Stone him! Stigmata! Defcon ONE!! Defcon ONE!!"

and have any sane person take them seriously.

Nearing, mind.

 

[D_Tully Tunnelrat]

Chappaquiddick jabs aside...

Yes a cheap shot Star, even for you.

Fortunately this whole issue of meaningful polls can be postponed till 2012. By then we'll have had more time with which to judge Mr. Obama's ability to dig (all of us) out of an already wrecked car. Now who was at the wheel as we collectively went into the ditch?

 

[B_starinvestor]

Fortunately this whole issue of meaningful polls can be postponed till 2012. By then we'll have had more time with which to judge Mr. Obama's ability to dig (all of us) out of an already wrecked car. Now who was at the wheel as we collectively went into the ditch?

The Bush Administration was at the wheel.

Yet the car is not moving from the ditch. It is lodged, and Obama is flooring the accelerator but the wheels are just spinning.

Here is one example:

Obama wants $30 billion in TARP for small business loans | Reuters

This is an absolutely excellent proposal to catalyze small business growth and provide some capital to small businesses for both survival and expansion.

But nothing is being changed in the underwriting guidelines at all. This will be a replay of the massive TARP that was set forth by Paulson - the banks will just firm up their balance sheets. This banking segment (market cap under $10 billion) is extremely unhealthy. They won't lend any of this money.

What this amounts to is a bunch of hooping and hollering at the state of the union; a great sound bite, and a lot of Americans that think that the program will provide jobs.

The banks won't lend the $$. Companies will not grow or expand. No new jobs will be created.

So

-we have the money for the program
-we have struggling businesses that really need this money
-we have people that need jobs
-we have the money going into the banks

And nothing will happen. No loans. No jobs.

Another failed program - and it is getting so tiresome and frustrating that I'm losing any hope that this administration will accomplish anything positive.

A great idea - that isn't executed.

All they had to do was stipulate that underwriting guidelines be modified and require a % of the TARP money to be lent - with gov't signing on to aid in the case of defaults.

This is a devastating blow to so many small businesses - developers, construction companies, staffing agencies, etc., etc.

I know that I blow a lot of steam in this forum, but seeing this stuff fail is getting depressing.

 

[D_Tully Tunnelrat]

The Bush Administration was at the wheel.

Yet the car is not moving from the ditch. It is lodged, and Obama is flooring the accelerator but the wheels are just spinning.

The Bush admin totaled the car, Obama is just trying to get the credit to buy another one. You won't get any disagreement from me that the economy is barely moving forward, and the administration has squandered many good opportunities to get the car (to beat a metaphor to death) moving forward. But fundamentally America needs to rethink regulation, capital markets, and finance. These are long cycles, which cannot be turned about in the short term. They will take time, just like getting out of Iraq, which Obama/Gates and the US forces are finally doing. I agree that bank lending needs to pick up, as a small business person, many of my associates cannot obtain credit, and Obama has called the banks out on this; I think correctly so. America needs a return to pragmatism, the dialectic between left and right, as it's presently being practiced, is debilitating. Nonetheless, Obama should be given time to prove if he is worthy of a second term. Barely a year into his presidency, it's far too early for any rational person to make a final conclusion almost 3 years before the election.

 

[justasimpleguy]

Getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan is a start. They certainly could have done many things better, but I'm ok with one thing at the time. But hey, if we want to blame someone, we should blame the Republicans and the Senate for opposing fixes and slowing everything down every step of the way.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

I know that I blow a lot of steam in this forum, but seeing this stuff fail is getting depressing.

^Something tells me that the country would be running a whole hell of a lot better if 40% of our elected leaders weren't actively trying to sabotage literally everything the country tries to accomplish for itself.

Hell, we can't even get unemployment deadlines extended, so that people can claim funds they were already told they would receive.