cock sex at the urinals

[indianaman_04]

Clearly we have a difference of opinion here. Duh. Why is it such a big deal to be touched? I don't understand. Now, if it continues that is a WHOLE different story. I guess I'm of the school that you get one chance. Don't get me wrong, I will tell them do it again and you'll be sorry. I have people brush up against me all the time, I have better things to do than go around kicking people's asses for touching me.

It seems like the general thought in here is to kick anyone's ass who touches you. Guess I'm just not a violent person. I also don't go crying sexual harassment to management every time someone compliments me or takes a glance at my bulge. Please don't be little me for what I think, I won't be little you. I just won't agree with you and you don't have to agree with me, it's all good.

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I think the issue is boiling down to the difference between a casual "brushing up against" or a flat-out "grope", but I have only one question for you...if I had it in mind to touch your mom, or daughter, or niece would I be able to plead the "one chance" rule? Perhaps with you, but the rest of the world would punch first and ask questions later. I am glad you have offered the world a free shot at your body, but not everyone can be trusted with that opportunity. I think there needs to be respect for one's personal space.

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Actually, I'm only talking about between two adults who have the mind and capability of having conversation rather than reacting with violence. Yes, touch my child and that is also a WHOLE different story/thread. Any other adult it is up to them. I certainly wouldn't fly off the handle. I also disagree with what you say that the rest of the world would punch first. While it sounds from this thread that the majority of folks would, there are a minority of folks who wouldn't. It's called using diplomacy rather than force. Maybe that is why I'm not a violent person, I've never had to be. I tend to seek compromise in most situations. It's worked for me so far so I haven't been convinced that using force is justifiable. But some of you who do, you are entitled to that belief.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by indianaman_04+Mar 22 2005, 09:09 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(indianaman_04 &#064; Mar 22 2005, 09:09 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by madame_zora@Mar 22 2005, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by indianaman_04@Mar 22 2005, 08:55 PM
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@Mar 22 2005, 11:46 AM
Same here, there, DMW, though you&#39;d be amazed at how many times some assholes have tried to grope me, almost got arrested, and they lost use of their hands for about 3-4 months while in a cast. yeah, I&#39;ve broken some guy&#39;s hands simply because they attempted an unsolicited, and unwanted grope.

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That is terrible&#33;&#33; How would he have known it was unwanted? I suppose you would&#39;ve punched him, too if he even politely ask you if you were interested?

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Um, he would have known if he&#39;d have asked&#33; Anyone grabbing for my bits ANYWHERE without asking is gonna get their jaw jacked from me&#33; I actually punched a guy hard enough to knock him off his barstool for grabbing my ass under my dress as I walked by, and I kicked him in the nuts while I screamed at him on the floor in front of his friends. Don&#39;t want to get the shit beat out of you? Keep your hands to yourself until you have permission&#33; Duh.

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Clearly we have a difference of opinion here. Duh. Why is it such a big deal to be touched? I don&#39;t understand. Now, if it continues that is a WHOLE different story. I guess I&#39;m of the school that you get one chance. Don&#39;t get me wrong, I will tell them do it again and you&#39;ll be sorry. I have people brush up against me all the time, I have better things to do than go around kicking people&#39;s asses for touching me.

It seems like the general thought in here is to kick anyone&#39;s ass who touches you. Guess I&#39;m just not a violent person. I also don&#39;t go crying sexual harassment to management every time someone compliments me or takes a glance at my bulge. Please don&#39;t be little me for what I think, I won&#39;t be little you. I just won&#39;t agree with you and you don&#39;t have to agree with me, it&#39;s all good.

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Sorry, no can do. You&#39;re very stupid to think that way, and likely to get the shit kicked out of you. No one has the right to put their hands on someone else&#39;s private parts without CONSENT from that person. Period. EXCLAIMATION POINT&#33;&#33; Now, I&#39;m not talking about your boss putting a hand on your shoulder, or an accidental bumping on the subway, but anyone beyond moron level knows better than to grope genitals without asking, and if they don&#39;t, they deserve whatever they get&#33; Your opinion concerns MY body, and that&#39;s just bullshit.

Oh yeah, not only is it unseemly, it&#39;s ILLEGAL, asshole&#33;

 

[jonb]

Jana -- Kickin&#39; ass and takin&#39; names&#33;

Jacinto -- Sex in a public toilet? This is how crazy fetishes get started.

 

[13788]

carolinacurious:

Originally posted by madame_zora+Mar 22 2005, 02:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora &#064; Mar 22 2005, 02:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by indianaman_04@Mar 22 2005, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by madame_zora@Mar 22 2005, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by indianaman_04@Mar 22 2005, 08:55 PM
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@Mar 22 2005, 11:46 AM
Same here, there, DMW, though you&#39;d be amazed at how many times some assholes have tried to grope me, almost got arrested, and they lost use of their hands for about 3-4 months while in a cast. yeah, I&#39;ve broken some guy&#39;s hands simply because they attempted an unsolicited, and unwanted grope.

[post=292964]Quoted post[/post]​

That is terrible&#33;&#33; How would he have known it was unwanted? I suppose you would&#39;ve punched him, too if he even politely ask you if you were interested?

[post=293043]Quoted post[/post]​

Um, he would have known if he&#39;d have asked&#33; Anyone grabbing for my bits ANYWHERE without asking is gonna get their jaw jacked from me&#33; I actually punched a guy hard enough to knock him off his barstool for grabbing my ass under my dress as I walked by, and I kicked him in the nuts while I screamed at him on the floor in front of his friends. Don&#39;t want to get the shit beat out of you? Keep your hands to yourself until you have permission&#33; Duh.

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Clearly we have a difference of opinion here. Duh. Why is it such a big deal to be touched? I don&#39;t understand. Now, if it continues that is a WHOLE different story. I guess I&#39;m of the school that you get one chance. Don&#39;t get me wrong, I will tell them do it again and you&#39;ll be sorry. I have people brush up against me all the time, I have better things to do than go around kicking people&#39;s asses for touching me.

It seems like the general thought in here is to kick anyone&#39;s ass who touches you. Guess I&#39;m just not a violent person. I also don&#39;t go crying sexual harassment to management every time someone compliments me or takes a glance at my bulge. Please don&#39;t be little me for what I think, I won&#39;t be little you. I just won&#39;t agree with you and you don&#39;t have to agree with me, it&#39;s all good.

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Sorry, no can do. You&#39;re very stupid to think that way, and likely to get the shit kicked out of you. No one has the right to put their hands on someone else&#39;s private parts without CONSENT from that person. Period. EXCLAIMATION POINT&#33;&#33; Now, I&#39;m not talking about your boss putting a hand on your shoulder, or an accidental bumping on the subway, but anyone beyond moron level knows better than to grope genitals without asking, and if they don&#39;t, they deserve whatever they get&#33; Your opinion concerns MY body, and that&#39;s just bullshit.

Oh yeah, not only is it unseemly, it&#39;s ILLEGAL, asshole&#33;

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Wait Zora, whom I almost always agree with, Indianaman isn&#39;t stupid to believe this as long as he is the grope-EE and not the grope-ER. (which I think is what he has said) I agree, go messing around with someone elses body and you get what you get, although if it was me I would do my best to avoid violence, not that I wouldn&#39;t be pissed off. While I don&#39;t disagree with MASSIVEPKGO_CHUCK&#39;s "right" to handle the situation as he says he did, I think it&#39;s sad and wonder (seriously doubt) if that was the best way to handle it.

Don&#39;t misunderstand me, I am a VERY hands-off sort of person, I can get very uncomfortable with people I don&#39;t know touching me, even women who are coming on to me but who I feel are moving too fast. I am NO groper&#33;

Anyone grabbing for my bits ANYWHERE without asking is gonna get their jaw jacked from me&#33; I actually punched a guy hard enough to knock him off his barstool for grabbing my ass under my dress as I walked by, and I kicked him in the nuts while I screamed at him on the floor in front of his friends.

That seems a little harsh. WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS&#33;, but harsh.

I agree, men who grab other men with no invitation at urinals and guys who grope women underneath their dresses need a fucking wake-up call&#33; I just wonder if this was the best way to ensure that the behavior didn&#39;t happen again, violence begetting violence and all.

Maybe it&#39;s the sexist in me (or maybe it&#39;s just the tone of the writing) but I can&#39;t help feeling more sympathetic to your situation (Zora) than Chuck&#39;s. However, in your case, Zora, I wonder what if that guy decided to "get back" by waiting for you outside the club.

Anyway, I&#39;m not a walking doormat but I try to avoid violence, I&#39;ve seen things get way out of control very quickly.

 

[indianaman_04]

Same here, there, DMW, though you&#39;d be amazed at how many times some assholes have tried to grope me, almost got arrested, and they lost use of their hands for about 3-4 months while in a cast. yeah, I&#39;ve broken some guy&#39;s hands simply because they attempted an unsolicited, and unwanted grope.

[post=292964]Quoted post[/post]​

That is terrible&#33;&#33; How would he have known it was unwanted? I suppose you would&#39;ve punched him, too if he even politely ask you if you were interested?

[post=293043]Quoted post[/post]​

Um, he would have known if he&#39;d have asked&#33; Anyone grabbing for my bits ANYWHERE without asking is gonna get their jaw jacked from me&#33; I actually punched a guy hard enough to knock him off his barstool for grabbing my ass under my dress as I walked by, and I kicked him in the nuts while I screamed at him on the floor in front of his friends. Don&#39;t want to get the shit beat out of you? Keep your hands to yourself until you have permission&#33; Duh.

[post=293047]Quoted post[/post]​

Clearly we have a difference of opinion here. Duh. Why is it such a big deal to be touched? I don&#39;t understand. Now, if it continues that is a WHOLE different story. I guess I&#39;m of the school that you get one chance. Don&#39;t get me wrong, I will tell them do it again and you&#39;ll be sorry. I have people brush up against me all the time, I have better things to do than go around kicking people&#39;s asses for touching me.

It seems like the general thought in here is to kick anyone&#39;s ass who touches you. Guess I&#39;m just not a violent person. I also don&#39;t go crying sexual harassment to management every time someone compliments me or takes a glance at my bulge. Please don&#39;t be little me for what I think, I won&#39;t be little you. I just won&#39;t agree with you and you don&#39;t have to agree with me, it&#39;s all good.

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Sorry, no can do. You&#39;re very stupid to think that way, and likely to get the shit kicked out of you. No one has the right to put their hands on someone else&#39;s private parts without CONSENT from that person. Period. EXCLAIMATION POINT&#33;&#33; Now, I&#39;m not talking about your boss putting a hand on your shoulder, or an accidental bumping on the subway, but anyone beyond moron level knows better than to grope genitals without asking, and if they don&#39;t, they deserve whatever they get&#33; Your opinion concerns MY body, and that&#39;s just bullshit.

Oh yeah, not only is it unseemly, it&#39;s ILLEGAL, asshole&#33;

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No, you are stupid to think that way you stupid bitch&#33;&#33; Wait. I won&#39;t lower myself to your level. You have proven beyond words how stupid you are. It&#39;s unfortunate that people like you exist who think that their opinion is the only one that matters. Obviously, there&#39;s nothing more I can say here. When the forum resorts to childish name-calling, now that, is bullshit, my friend. Act like an adult and not a child. You&#39;ve taken a forum where you say you should feel free to share your thoughts and feelings and turned it into hatred. I say shame on you&#33; Continue living in your small-mindedness, apparently that is where your most comfortable.

 

[13788]

carolinacurious: Great, I stand up for you and you call Zora a bitch&#33;

I&#39;m done.

 

[BuffMusicIdol]

Indiana, I know what you are trying to say, but personal space and consentual sex (even groping and stares) can put a REAL damper on friendliness when it&#39;s not welcome. I think as sensitive and open as you want to be about sex, Zora wants the same sensitivity and openness of understanding about NOT welcoming sex, groping or a good stare.

I agree with Zora. When push comes to shove, invasion of personal space always loses. It doesn&#39;t ever have to be nasty unless the person does not understand plain "NO" in body language and then "NO" when it&#39;s spoken to them. That&#39;s when it becomes sexual harrassment, molestation, or rape. That&#39;s why we have laws regarding sexual activity.

(Sigh....) Yes, let&#39;s all get along, but let&#39;s respect each other&#39;s wishes about being sexual as well.

 

[indianaman_04]

Originally posted by BuffMusicIdol@Mar 22 2005, 05:49 PM
Indiana, I know what you are trying to say, but personal space and consentual sex (even groping and stares) can put a REAL damper on friendliness when it&#39;s not welcome. I think as sensitive and open as you want to be about sex, Zora wants the same sensitivity and openness of understanding about NOT welcoming sex, groping or a good stare.

I agree with Zora. When push comes to shove, invasion of personal space always loses. It doesn&#39;t ever have to be nasty unless the person does not understand plain "NO" in body language and then "NO" when it&#39;s spoken to them. That&#39;s when it becomes sexual harrassment, molestation, or rape. That&#39;s why we have laws regarding sexual activity.

(Sigh....) Yes, let&#39;s all get along, but let&#39;s respect each other&#39;s wishes about being sexual as well.

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Well stated and thanks for your concern, too.

 

[BuffMusicIdol]

Whao.
I didn&#39;t follow the thread to the end.

Indiana:
I don&#39;t ever allow name calling in my house, regardless of the reasonm, age, or status in society.

Go to your room until you grow up and leave us the hell alone. Don&#39;t come out until you can be civil and respectful. You are obviously acting as a child, and so expect to be treated as one by all of us here. And if you don&#39;t want to be treated as a child, then STOP ACTING LIKE ONE&#33;&#33;&#33;

Sheesh. I have enough kid problems without coming here and putting up with this.

 

[madame_zora]

I want to clear up a few things, when I said if someone grabs me anywhere, I meant location (urinal, public place, restaurant, etc.), but specified genitals&#33;

Indianaman, if you feel you have one free throw to grab someone else&#39;s genitals, then I will repeat, that its NOT a matter of opinion, it is illegal and wrong&#33; I don&#39;t care at all if I hurt your feelings, that&#39;s just bullshit.

The kinds of people who do these sorts of things are relying on the elemant of shock and people&#39;s general good nature. Women are supposed to be afraid, but do ANYTHING to avoid embarrassment. I had no fear at all that this guy would wait for me. Once I exposed what he had done in front of his friends, THEY took my side&#33; These people also rely on secrecy (just like rapists and molesters), exposing them to the light is ALWAYS the best defense. If you&#39;re not a violent person, screaming will usually do the trick. "AAAAAH&#33; I can&#39;t believe you just grabbed my ass, what&#39;s wrong with you???". The point is to draw attention to what they assumed would be a private offense.

If someone came on this board and defended their right to molest children, they would not be given credibility, so I see no reason to accept other people&#39;s illegal actions either. Sorry Indianaman, you lose. Your rights end where my arm swings. You have NO RIGHTS where someone else&#39;s body is concerned.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by carolinacurious@Mar 22 2005, 10:47 PM
Great, I stand up for you and you call Zora a bitch&#33;

I&#39;m done.

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Oh, I&#39;m a bitch alright, no worries mate.

 

[Dr Rock]

not strictly related to the argument at hand, but since we&#39;re off-topic anyway...

let&#39;s not confuse illegal with unacceptable. yes, sexually harassing someone and sexually abusing children are both. but, many other things aren&#39;t - a lot of shit is illegal that shouldn&#39;t be, and a lot of laws are unacceptable. I think there are plenty of illegal acts that someone could come on here and defend, and quite a few legal but wholly unacceptable ones they couldn&#39;t.

 

[13788]

carolinacurious: (wades into dangerous waters(hopefully) one last time)

If you&#39;re not a violent person, screaming will usually do the trick. "AAAAAH&#33; I can&#39;t believe you just grabbed my ass, what&#39;s wrong with you???". The point is to draw attention to what they assumed would be a private offense.

Yes, exactly.


Indianaman, why did I call you out for name calling but not Zora for calling you stupid?

1. Difference of degree and actually, I did call Zora out, just not to the same degree.

2. I believe Zora mistook your opinion. I&#39;m doing a lot of assuming here but bear with me. I feel that your opinion was that as DEFENDER, you allow people one mistake, no problem. I felt that Zora thought you were saying that as OFFENDER you had the right to "one free grope", I didn&#39;t think you were saying that and had I thought you were saying that, I would have called you stupid too&#33;

I suppose it could be logically inferred from your argument that you were saying that EVERYONE should allow one free mistake by others and by extension that would grant one free grope to everyone as well. I don&#39;t think that&#39;s what you meant. And I didn&#39;t see anything that you had said that would result in you being "likely to get the shit kicked out of you." Just that you didn&#39;t want to kick the shit out of anyone else.

But what&#39;s the name calling about?, if we can try to be forgiving and understanding when someone grabs our wang at a urinal can&#39;t we be a little more understanding in this discussion?

 

[madame_zora]

Dr. Rock, as usual, you bring up a good point. Yes, many things are illegal that probably shouldn&#39;t be, and I&#39;m well aware of blue laws. I was arguing specifically for the topic at hand.

I was probably remiss in assuming that my right to be unmolested would be agreed upon by everyone, but there you have it. I&#39;ve never denied being a bitch or apologised for defending my rights.

 

[B_DoubleMeatWhopper]

Originally posted by indianaman_04@Mar 22 2005, 08:55 PM
That is terrible&#33;&#33;  How would he have known it was unwanted?

How dare he assume that it was wanted&#33; It&#39;s a restroom. It was constructed to accomodate people who need to urinate and/or defecate, not for people to troll for dick. That&#39;s what gay bars are for. The creep was being awfully presumptuous, offensively so, by groping the cock of someone who gave no indication that he would welcome the advance. If someone chooses to cruise tearooms, he should assume that those who enter are there for non-sexual purposes until they demonstrate otherwise. Don&#39;t grab someone&#39;s cock until he has at least given some hint that he&#39;s up for such an advance. He should also recognise the risks associated with tearoom cruising, and an occasional punch in the face is a definite possibility. He must accept the risks if he wants to play the game.

I suppose you would&#39;ve punched him, too if he even politely ask you if you were interested?

No one suggested such a thing. The point is that he didn&#39;t ask: he just grabbed. Punching him out ... why not? Return one physical assault with another. If he asks, I can say, "no". When not asked and just grabbed, I just react out of instinct. He didn&#39;t ask if he could offensively touch my cock ... why should I ask his permission to offensively touch his face? I&#39;m not a violent person ... far from it ... but I do have limits. Groping me in a restroom crosses a line.

 

[madame_zora]

Yes, we are taught even as little children that we have the right to defend our bodies. Now whether he was talking about giving or receiving I couldn&#39;t say, but I see what you&#39;re saying now, Carolinacurious. To me, it doesn&#39;t matter, because we were talkings about RIGHTS. If he wants to be forgiving, that&#39;s his right, certainly&#33; But it certainly can&#39;t be expected that other do accordingly. So I assert with unrelenting conviction that anyone who does such things is a weak, sick person, and very likely to get hit.

 

[13788]

carolinacurious:

2. I believe Zora mistook your opinion. I&#39;m doing a lot of assuming here but bear with me. I feel that your opinion was that as DEFENDER, you allow people one mistake, no problem. I felt that Zora thought you were saying that as OFFENDER you had the right to "one free grope", I didn&#39;t think you were saying that and had I thought you were saying that, I would have called you stupid too&#33;

I suppose it could be logically inferred from your argument that you were saying that EVERYONE should allow one free mistake by others and by extension that would grant one free grope to everyone as well. I don&#39;t think that&#39;s what you meant. And I didn&#39;t see anything that you had said that would result in you being "likely to get the shit kicked out of you." Just that you didn&#39;t want to kick the shit out of anyone else.

Reading back through I&#39;m not so sure that it was Zora that was mistaken and not myself. I&#39;d like to believe that this whole disagreement really was nothing more than a misunderstanding. To me the whole (initial) problem is in post #17. So, Indianaman, if you come back, in post #17 are you saying that Jana IS WRONG (or has no right ) not to "turn the other cheek" or are you saying that you would PREFER that she "turn the other cheek" (cheeky monkey&#33 while she has no OBLIGATION to?

Maybe it&#39;s just my philosophical background, I prefer that both sides have a clear understanding of the other&#39;s position, and me too, and THEN they/we can tear at each other like wolves. I hate watching a discussion where people are arguing so hard that they don&#39;t even realize that they are agreeing with each other.

It&#39;s gotten me in trouble before:

some poor fool: "Wait, I thought you were on my side&#33;?"

the rest of the room: "Yeah, we thought you were on his side too?"

me: "No, I realized that no one else in the room understood how completely full of shit you were so I was helping you more clearly state your position. Now we can have a true debate."

 

[taven]

I guess I have to side with those against uninvited(touching, grabbing, groping, stroking you choose) anywhere. On the other hand, evidence of interest or verbal invitations, etc., are always taken as a compliment regardless of gender or my interest/lack of interest in the other person. A quiet "thanks for the compliment, but no thanks" should be enough. If it isn&#39;t, then the next step depends on the persisitence (stupidity) of the other person. As always, Mme. Z, much impressed with your thoughts and explication of same.

 

[jonnypmann]

I used to travel allot for work and the Minneapolis airport restrooms used to be very cruisy. I had a guy come up to the next urinal and after pissing, started stroking and shot into the urinal in a matter of minutes. Had another guy, same airport a different time, after showing off at the urinal asked me back to a utility closet where we both jerked off. I have had similar situations in Chicago, San Jose, Tampa and Atlanta airports. Must be something about airports.

 

[madame_zora]

Well, all of this started as a result of Chuck relating a story about being groped unexpectedly in the restroom. Had the guy asked, Chuck would have had the option of saying Yea ot Nay. Since he wasn&#39;t asked, well one offensive touch warrants another. Same with my story, no one ever said "You have a nice butt, I&#39;d like to feel it" because then I could have said "Thanks for the compliment, but not on your life&#33;". Since he elceted instead to help himself, I felt free to reciprocate. I am not advocating that anyone else do as I do, I&#39;m just letting you know that it&#39;s not only men that will smack you, so mind your damned manners&#33;

I have never, NEVER, put my hands on any part of a person that could even slightly be construed as sexual without clear consent, I don&#39;t see why I shouldn&#39;t expect the same from others. Why we are even having this conversation baffles me, but it does make clear why some people act abhorrently. I also don&#39;t leer, stare, salivate, or make men feel uncomfortable in any way. I save my leering for the gallery here, people post pics here consentually (and thank you all&#33. I have a very hard time even paying compliments to strangers in real life if I find them attractive. The one and only time I was in a coed bathroom (which I didn&#39;t realise was coed until I was inside) there was a guy using the urinal and he stood back to let me get a good look at him. I was caught like a deer in the headlights&#33; The last thing on my mind was to go over and grab him, although I felt clearly that his body language would have permitted it. I was there to pee and put on lipstick, and that&#39;s about it.