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Colin Powell has another "SLAM DUNK"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by stratedude, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. stratedude

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    Wow. Just...wow.

    Colin Powell just endorsed Barack Obama, and when asked why he TWICE accused the McCain Campaign of saying Barack is a Muslim.

    First it was a slam dunk that Iraq had WMD...

    Now it is this BS.

    This guy is a complete idiot.


    And I won't even go into the falacy of his arguement that we should raise taxes to reduce the deficit and that taxes are and always have been a redistribution of "wealth".

    Again...what an idiot.
     
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    so are you saying that no one from the McCain Campaign has either directly or inferred that Obama is a muslim???? You haven't been paying attention. But my favorite part was his next line saying, "and what would be wrong if he were a muslim", and related the story of a young Muslim, born in the USA, who died fighting for our country in Iraq.
     
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    Funny how a man like Colin Powell can go from respected public servant to 'complete idiot' in the eyes of right wingers the minute he doesn't agree with them. LOL

    Indy- I too have wondering for some time what your religion has to do with your patriotism.
     
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    It must be bad when Republicans start calling each other idiots. So much for party unity.
     
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    well then how do you folk feel about mr lieberman?
     
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    I guess Muslim's are the new Catholics politically.
     
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    Actually it was George Tenet who used the phrase 'slam dunk' not Mr. Powell.

    Tenet told Bush WMD case a 'slam dunk'
     
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    It's all fine and dandy when a Republican plays ball with the team. But when anyone of their own starts to think for themselves they want to excommunicate them. I'm not the biggest fan of Colin Powell by any means, even though he now endorses Obama. But it's too funny how some are turning his back on him for speaking his mind.

    What's even funnier is how Republicans forget that their party did the same thing to McCain just 8 years ago when he debated Bush for the Republican nomination. Yet, that's the person they want to support for president now?
     
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    First of all he is no longer a democrat. He is officially an Independent. Personally, don't care for him much........and his political career in Connecticut is toast when his term as Senator ends. Polling in CT shows that there is great Buyer's remorse for having elected him over the Democrat, Ned Lamont.
    On a political level, he is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to Hawkish for my taste.
     
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    Powell said Obama has a "steady hand". The former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff and Secretary of State believes that Obama is ready and qualified to be President. He said McCain "didn't have a complete grasp of the economic problems we have" and "I must say, he seemed a little unsure about how to approach the problem."

    He also commented on Sarah Palin saying, "I don't believe she's ready to be President of the United States, which is the job of Vice President," adding that it raised "some questions in my mind" about McCain's judgment.

    This solid gold for Barack Obama.
     
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    Tghe broader point Powell was making was...so what if he is a muslim. US leadership is not reserved for Christians.

    I think Powell gave a logical and articulate list of reasons why he was voting for Obama. It was a powerfull endorsement.
     
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    I know right? If you are not with them, you might as well be dead in their eyes.
     
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    thank you Colin Powell , for finally putting the face of racism and religious bigotry on the face of the campaign the way no one else could. Go see the Oliver Stone movie "W" if you dont believe me. watch Colin Powell gamely try to give W and his advisers some moral crediblity. truly sickening. McShame is more of the same.
    GO OBAMA!
     
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    Now it is this BS.
    This guy is a complete idiot.
    Again...what an idiot



    your words coming back at you.
     
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    The clip is on line here. If you watch it, you will see that what happens is that Brokaw asks Powell if he is going to vote for Obama, and Powell replies by speaking for several minutes about the decision that he has reached and the reasons for it. In the course of his speech, he says this (my transcription):
    I am also troubled, not by what Senator McCain says, but by what members of the party say, and it is permitted to be said — such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well the correct answer, he is not a Muslim; he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is "What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country?" The answer is no, that's not America.
    Your version of events (in which Powell attributes the accusations to the McCain campaign itself, and in which he does so in reply to a question about why he is endorsing Obama) is as false as your attribution of the "slam dunk" remark to Powell. That remark was made, according to Bob Woodward's account of events, by CIA Director George Tenet. Powell went along with the Bush administration's story about WMD in Iraq reluctantly: that he went along with it at all is culpable, but he was not one of the leading proponents of it.
     
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    Powell endorses Obama as 'transformational' - Mike Allen and Jonathan Martin - Politico.com

    Powell, who last year gave the Arizona senator's campaign the maximum $2,300, replied: "If I had only had that in mind, I could have done this six, eight, 10 months ago. I really have been going back and forth between somebody I have the highest respect and regard for, John McCain and somebody I was getting to know, Barack Obama. And it was only in the last couple of months that I settled on this."

    As a key reason, Powell said: "I would have difficult with two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration."

    Powell said that he is "troubled" by the direction of the Republican Party, and said he began to doubt Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) when he chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.

    "It doesn’t come as a surprise," McCain said. "I'm very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state, well over 200 retired generals and admirals. I've admired and continue to respect Secretary Powell."
     
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    :biggrin1: You beat me to it.

    Doesn't the Supreme Dogma of Political Correctness preach that all religions were created equal?

    Incidentally, were was the general when we invaded Iraq on shaky grounds?
     
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    how many MORE around the world, including Muslims living within the USA, CELEBRATED the 09/11 attacks?

    but that is inapposite to the main thrust of the OP

    this man stood before the American people and urged the invasion of Iraq, on grounds he probably knew were false

    I'm to consider what he says now, because ... ?
     
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    And he stood before the whole world and said the same thing.

    Powell willingly shilled for the incompetent GWB administration when it suited his purposes. I remember seeing clips of his presentation before the UN. Powell himself didn't look completely confident of the case he was trying make about the imminent threat of Saddam's mysterious missing WMDs.

    But his ambition seems to have gotten the better of his judgement. Powell should have had the stones to resign like the British foreign secretary did.
     
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    So did John McCain. Welcome to reality, my friend
     
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    ...and don't get me started on his gay-in-the-military utter hypocrisy.

    The arguments he presented were practically word-for-word the arguments that the US offered not so long ago to bar black men like himself from enlisting.

     
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    I saw Meet the Press and Powell was thoughtful and very articulate. He correctly separated McCain from the McCain campaign which McCain is now a hostage to.

    Powell made a big mistake by acquiescing to the moronic slimeballs behind a "New American Century". While he may or may not have been fooled by whether there were WMDs, he knew the planned execution of the war was doomed to failure. As a result, tens of thousands of innocent lives were lost or destroyed along with our reputation and not to mention hundreds of billions of dollars pissed away.

    Tenet was not to blame for the crap on WMDs other than giving into the relentless political pressure being exerted by Cheney and his staff.

    Don't let the talking heads on cable, the radio and blogs tell you how to think. Read books from authors that do the heavy lifting like Woodward or Suskind. Even if they do make good money writing, they are true American heros because they are getting to the truth.
     
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    It was a curious progression of events surrounding Tenet, Powell, the CIA, and the war. The twisted lack of logic around it boggles the mind:
    • Tenet confidently claimed the case against Saddam was a "slam dunk." Powell concurs and makes the case to the world.
    • No WMDs were ever found
    • Bush and his apologists then blamed "bad intelligence" from the CIA
    • Tenet publicly countered that the CIA "...hadn't screwed up."
    • Bush then reorganized the entire US intelligence hierarchy.
    • Tenet was awarded the Medal of Freedom for his performance.
    • Powell resigns amid a cloud.
    I mean, WTF?
     
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    Many people think he resigned but actually Bush fired him or the nicer method 'Asked to resign'.

    "The president would like to make a change," Card said, using a time-honored formulation that avoided the words "resign" or "fire."

    Falling on His Sword
     
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    Cheney himself was probably the source for Woodward's story about the "slam dunk" remark. Tenet said in his interview with Scott Pelley on Sixty Minutes, "I never got off the couch, I never jumped up, there was no pantomime. I didn’t do my Michael Jordan, Air Jordan routine for the president that morning." He also said that when he said "It's a slam dunk," they were talking about making a case for an invasion on the basis of claims about Iraq's possession of banned weapons, not about the question whether Iraq had such weapons. I find Tenet's version of events much more plausible than the one in Woodward's book.
     
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    The difference is that McCain probably spoke more sincerely.
    But I largely let Powell off the hook on this matter.
    Not sure I should.
    But Bush was clearly sending the U.S. into war -- and justified or not, well-planned or not, soldiers can expect at least a certain unanimity from the top, if they're being sent into a war zone.
    I realize there is a great deal of merit in the idea that Powell, if he wasn't truly on-board, should have resigned.
    And I suppose, if he had, I would have applauded it.
    But there was a kind of convoluted integrity in what he did do, imo.

    So do I.
     
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    Haha, indeed!
     
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    How so, rubi?

    Let me add: I confess up front my own anger over the entire Iraq scenario limits my ability to see Powell as anything more than a craven political opportunist whose ambition contributed mightily to the unhappy state of affairs the US finds itself in.
     
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    Mostly I'm happy with his criticism of nativists, but the Obama endorsement was also welcome. :usa1:
     
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    I don't see it as opportunism but as adherence to military ethics. Powell was a career officer, and a soldier's duty is to carry out the orders of his commanding officer, even if he thinks that the commanding officer's judgments are mistaken. Powell never had much influence over Bush, or even much access to him: he was completely outflanked and shut out of the policy-making process by Cheney and Rumsfeld, who were set against him from the outset. There was no chance that he could have prevailed over that crowd in the march to war. So the only realistic options available to him were to be loyal to the president or to take a stand against him and against the direction in which virtually the entire administration was moving, and to resign. Given that neither he nor anyone else in the administration was in a position to know for certain what weapons Saddam had or didn't have, that option cannot have appeared very attractive to a man in his position. I find his decision to support President Bush in making the case for war tragic rather than despicable. He compromised his own judgment in order to support his superior, and for that he had his political career destroyed by the man to whom he had been loyal.
     
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