Colin Powell is a Republican

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  1. midlifebear

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    News Flash! Even in "tired, old Europe" the afternoon television news and newspapers made Colin Powell the poster child and victim of an otherwise broken GOP. I wish I could have found the news clips from what ever news source outlet in the USA has them (CBS is a bit slow), but apparently when asked on Meet The Press (correction?) Sunday morning if Rush Limbaugh's and Dick (the ick) Cheney's claims were true that Powell is no longer a Republican, he easily flicked them both off of his sleeve with elan by saying that "I'm what is known as a moderate Republican." And as for Cheney and Limbaugh having any "authority" over Powell's status and membership in the GOP he noted that "neither Cheney or Limbaugh are on the Republican Party's recruiting committee." Powell responded to his critics. "Rush will not get his wish. And Mr. Cheney was misinformed. I am still a Republican."

    I find this quite refreshing. Having allied myself at one time with the Republican Party (not the current iteration), it's a great day for the USA when a well-respected retired General of the US Army and former presidential adviser, can disassociate himself from the "fringe" elements of Dubya's idea of "what it means to be an 'Mericuhn."

    As others have predicted in these political threads regarding the GOP, obviously it it true the more the evangelical neocons who have co-opted the GOP scream, yell, have tea bag parties, and stamp their feet like temperamental children who need a time out -- the more credibility the GOP loses with every ticking second.

    What a day for a bit of calm seas among the writhing, petulant jingoists who hide by wrapping themselves in the flag of the USA. It's obvious that loudly feigned patriotism (Cheney, Carl Rove, and irritable Limbaugh Syndrome) really is the last refuge for scoundrels. Note: those three "representatives" of the GOP have NEVER SERVED THEIR COUNTRY IN ANY MILITARY CAPACITY. But they've made careers out of being major blowhards disseminating half-truths and lies about anything they don't agree with.

    Kudos to Powell. I hope the dark side's cookies don't make him too sick. :smile:
     
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    ya, powell was on face the nation, not meet the press

    i can't watch MTP anymore, david gregory is an idiot

    i've always thought powell a class act, the only time he stumbled was when he should have told cheney bush and rumsfeld to go fuck themselves when they made him the messenger to the UN when they cooked up the evidence for WMD in iraq. but i think he beats himself up over that more harshly than any of his critics.

    i give him a pass on his involvement because as a military man his patriotism and call to duty to do whatever your commander in chief asks of you for the good of the country thing might have overridden his gut instinct that the whole thing was just wrong. and given the thug politics of bush cheney he might have been sent to gitmo as a traitor for refusing to sell an unjust war to the UN.

    but it's fun to watch cheney and limbaugh cut their own party's throat by attacking a highly decorated war veteran, ( nutless politicians with no military service who try and discredit those who were actually in a war should be hung for treason) and accusing him of racism.

    the good new is they don't have many groups left to alienate, about the only one left in the base is uneducated redneck religious freaks.
     
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    I actually hope that the Republican party reforms itself, and adopts a more tolerant conservatism. People decry the two party system, but the alternative multi-party approach will likely create more gridlock, in my opinion. (However, I would not mind the US turning into something like Italy, as long as we all get 3 hour lunches and mistresses.)

    The problem with the current incarnation of Republicans is that the party is largely populated by evangelicals and social conservatives, but the agenda has actually been a radical ideology -- unchecked presidential authority, preemptive war, Ayn Rand-style free markets, and fear. I cannot state the last element strongly enough. Fear of immigrants, fear of (dusky-skinned only) terrorists, fear of a changing and diverse America.

    I would consider voting for Colin Powell and a very small handful of other nationally-known Republicans. He is fundamentally the type of candidate that the Republican Party has to find to not just be the party of stupidity (e.g., "C02 is harmless it could never cause Global Warming!" and intolerance.
     
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    I've never gotten past Colin Powell's stance on the rights of gay people.

    Much as I find him entirely credible in other areas his stance on gays in the military inevitably makes me raise an eyebrow when watching him (as I did during yesterday's interview).

    Colin Powell:

    "I think it's a different matter [homosexual military inclusion] with respect to the military, because you're essentially told who you're going to live with, who you're going to sleep next to."

    Yeah some gross guy with a short stubby and anger issues. Is that who you mean Colin?

    Hmmmm ....:rolleyes:
     
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    Colin Powell's highly respected over here - more so than anyone else who was part of the Bush Administration, I think (especially Rumsfeld, lol).
     
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    well he is "old school", when he came up through the ranks it was a different time, and even now there's ALOT of guys in the military who are gay haters. there will always be some guys who enlist that haven't had the most enlightened background b4 they get there, and might not have much tolerance.

    the only way to make it work is to just allow gays to serve openly and make the policy : "if you got a problem with gays in the military, don't join up". otherwise conduct and discipline issues are universal for everybody.

    i think obama will do it.
     
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    They are working on that....let's see what happens in Florida and Kentucky.

    CP simply articulated what anyone with a vague awareness of what is going on knows. The GOP simply rode the wheels off the unholy & shaky alliance of evangelicals and radical laissez faire-ists so it is time to get new game. Unfortunately, the timing of this internal balkinizaiton is happening as the political center in the U.S. is collapsing....that complicates the rebranding allot.
     
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    Perhaps if there were more Colin Powells and less Limbaughs & Cheneys speaking for the Republican party, more people would listen to them. Even if they don't agree with everything he says, most people respect Powell for being an intelligent thinker. Even those dirty "libs" respect Powell, and not just because he supporter Obama in '08.
     
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    Thadjock, Respect for Colin Powell ? A mere mortal that went with the side that maximized his career like anyone else would've ? Duped with cooked information from the Bush Administration, he knew what he was doing too ? You gave him a pass on patriotism, I say he knew and was no more duped than Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld. He did well for himself, I'll leave it at that.
     
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    i don't think u read what i wrote, or u didn't comprehend what you read.

    i never said he was duped, and i never said he was a god, and i don't understand how the whole UN speech thing "maximized" (whatever u mean by that) his career, it's a black stain on his career. i honestly believe he gravely regrets not resiging b4 going to the UN with the faulty intelligence that btw , enhanced interrogation tecniques produced.

    i never questioned his patriotism, i gave him a pass because in the military you're trained to put personal feelings aside and execute orders from your CO who in this case was bush.

    and yeah i still respect the guy alot, he's shown himself to be the better man when getting hammered on by cheney and limbaugh and the rest of the bitter, castrated republicans. if all u got is newt , cheney, rush, & fox news, ur done , it's over. even nancy reagan is makin a trip to the obama white house when she's in town.......the writing is officially on the wall!
     
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    Hey conservasheep Colin Powell Is the new face of the Republican party if you ever want to win another election you'd better embrace the idea.......lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
     
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    the point is not what Powell told Rush and Chaney. The issues are his political stances. They are most entirely allied with democratic view. He professes that he want republicans to widen their tent. When given the chance to vote for that very person who on most social issue leans toward his views " John McCann" why then did he vote for the most liberal senator in the U.S. Or is John not as liberal as Powell would like. I think Powell is full of it. The more he goes public the more of his liberal views
    are shown. No he is not a Republican. He is a Democrat and always been
     
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    You can keep saying it over and over (maybe while rubbing a rabbit's foot for luck), but.........

    No. He's not a democrat, nor has he ever been. Nor is it in any way likely that he ever will be. He was selected as George Bush's Secretary of State just a few years ago. Think about it.

    He's not "liberal" (in the pejorative sense you mean it) just because he's not on Rush's approved list.

    This kind of thinking is probably the Republican Party's biggest problem.
     
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    I agree thad about the old school thing.

    I find him entirely likeable and as Republicans go much can be learned from this fellow who offsets the Limbaughs and Cheneys in the party.

    I have a feeling he will too.
     
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    Unfortunately, President Obama can NOT change DADT with a stroke of the pen or executive order. DADT is a law passed by congress during the Clinton administration. To change it President Obama will need to convince the Congress to change the law. I think that's the reason he is taking his time. I think at some point he WILL introduce legislation negating DADT.
     
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    I remain puzled why so many continue to profess admiration for Colin Powell. I say his credibility is zero. As SecState he willingly acted as shill for, or a dupe of, the Bush administration's questionable rationale for the Iraq invasion/occupation, most of which violated his own ballyhooed maxims about the use of military force.

    Powell willingly shed his ethics in favor of ambition and status.
     
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    Yes, that's why the party streamers from Bush's second inauguration hadn't even been cleaned up when Powell shot the Bush administration the middle finger and got the fuck outta Dodge. :rolleyes:
     
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    again i don't understand how going to the UN with bad intelligence improved his status, or was a display of ambition, and if you argue he knew, then he was certainly not doing it for ambition or status because it's still a huge cancer on his resume.

    at the time of his UN speech he might have honestly believed that if we could get unanimous support from the international community, that war could be avoided. Even congress didn't think that we were going to war just because they gave bush the legal freedom to do so. it was about deterrence. i believe powell was acting in what he believed would be best for the country.

    the real crime is that bush/cheney had already decided they were going to war and they were just arranging the deck chairs after the decision had been made, the same way they tried to rewrite the constitution AFTER they had already begun torture to try and make it legal. nothing but common criminals trying to cover their asses.
     
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