Coming: Conservative, "Free-Market" Bible

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  1. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    Apparently, some conservatives feel that the Holy Bible is too "liberal".

    Apparently the 17th-century King James I version is now open to a Marxist interpretation.


    Phyllis Schlafly's son, Andrew (this is not her gay son, John), founded "Conservapedia", which is supposed to be an alternative to the ultra-liberal wikipedia. A group of folks at Conservapedia, calling themselves the "Conservative Bible Project" explain that: "Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations."

    So, a new re-translation of the Bible is underway -- with goals such as:

    * replace liberal words like "labor" with preferred conservative terms

    * explain the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning

    * avoid unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculations of Christianity


    These new conservative translators contend that numerous liberal stories were inserted into the original canon and therefore shouldn't be considered sacred.

    Example: the story of the adulteress whom Jesus saved from being stoned with the famous line: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Conservapedia explains that liberals have used this story to argue against the death penalty. Plus, this Jesus character sounds like a radical moral relativist.


    What about that passage: "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"... I wonder what the conservative, free-market translation of that line will look like?


    Conservapedia Launches Effort to Translate the Bible Into Conservativespeak - God & Country (usnews.com)
     
  2. B_Nick8

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    My born-again brother, David, claims to love and accept me. And my partners. And, over the years, he has and does in a genuine way. He actually means it. I, and my boyfriend, are as welcome in his home and with as much love as anyone else would be.

    On the otherhand, I want to kill him for his hypocrisy. I want to--and, on the rare, vodka-fueled Christmases, have--said, "David, seriously, you think I'm going to Hell to burn for all Eternity as you conceive it. But you love me and it's all good in the here and now. How is that OK for you?" Like, don't you even care enough to want to put me on Noah's Ark? [not that I wouldn't have to be taken, dragged, kicking and screaming against my will, but really]

    I do not understand these people. I hate them and I resent them and they annoy me and I want them out of my life.

    Even if I care for them in some small, residual way.
     
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  3. Jason

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    Good answer to this from William Blake:

    The Vision of Christ that thou dost see
    Is my Visions Greatest Enemy
    Thine has a great hook nose like thine
    Mine has a snub nose like to mine
    Thine is the Friend of All Mankind
    Mine speaks in parables to the Blind
    Thine loves the same world that mine hates
    Thy Heaven doors are my Hell Gates
    Socrates taught what Melitus
    Loathd as a Nations bitterest Curse
    And Caiphas was in his own Mind
    A benefactor of Mankind
    Both read the Bible day & night
    But thou readst black where I read white


    The Bible is open to all sorts of interpretations. When born again Christians insist "this is the word of God" I feel like hitting them over the head with something heavy. The Bible was recorded by error-prone men, translated causing more errors, and is now read by people in a completely different cultural context. In linguistic terms (basically following MAK Halliday) there is always a difference in the meaning as produced by someone and as understood by another. My own resolution is that the Bible REFLECTS the word of God (which is basically the Quaker view). It is very important, but it is an imperfect reflection, as are all reflections.

    Nick8 - I think your brother has got the important thing right - he has realised that Christianity is about love, and he is accepting of you and your partner. Great! What he has got wrong is the born again delusion that every last word in the Bible is somehow the word of God. It isn't. In the OT we see the Jews coming to know God, so the OT is full of some terrible ideas which are shown to be wrong. In the NT we see those who saw Christ trying to put what they have seen into words, and sometimes doing it better than others. My experience has been that a lot of born again Christians sooner or later have problems with the doctrine they espouse. Your brother might need your support on this one.
     
  4. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    "Love the sinner. Hate the sin!" --- I know this type of born-again.

    "I do not understand these people"


    What's not to understand? People like David have an Old Testament, on the one hand, which says man lying with man is an "abomination" (along with eating shellfish in the Jerusalem area, uncircumsized cock, and poly-cotton blends); and they have that distinctly homophobic Sodom and Gomorrah translation... in other words, they have the Ancient Jewish Laws and Mythology... and on the other hand, they have you -- a loving, gay brother. And the two ideas do not mesh. This causes mental distress.
     
  5. JTalbain

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    I will say that the Bible has been interpreted many different ways, but straight up translation problems have caused a whole host of other issues. One of the easiest places to observe this is the issue of homosexuality. According to modern scholars, who have gone back to look at the original writings, a few interesting things have been discovered:
    • Homosexuality was not forbidden by the Bible until the King James Version.
    • Sodom and Gammorah was not about homosexuality, it was about inhospitality.
    • King David had a recognized gay partner.
    • Leviticus likely actually forbids men from having sex in a woman's bed, rather than forbidding them from having sex at all.
    There's a few other things there too. It's kind of interesting seeing how the Bible is used to further a political agenda in a misleading manner, then the same person will want different passages to be interpreted literally. :rolleyes:
     
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    And yet, and yet, David means well, which is what I find most disturbing (and insidious) of all.
     
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    I say let them edit the Bible all they want. Only hurts the flat earthers' credibility even more.
     
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    I agree... perhaps that would give all the Bible thumpers something to pay attention to besides politics for a change if just for a little while. They can argue over how the new Bible will read in the same way our Congress argues over a health care bill. :rolleyes: :biggrin1:
     
  9. D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse

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    And yet, and yet, David means well, which is what I find most disturbing (and insidious) of all.

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    No, Nick. I don't know your brother and probably shouldn't judge. But David meaning well is a good thing, not insidious. Your brother knowing you and NOT meaning well would be insidious, disturbing.


    He's caught between his love of God (and what he presumes to be God's word regarding same-sex) and his love and respect for you. It's a double bind. And he's psychologically trying to square this contradition.
     
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    Sometimes I feel I confess too much on this forum.

    But I don't really have the option other than to be me, do I?

    Thanks, Will, for your kindness and insight.
     
  11. D_Portelay Porquesword

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    For the most part and from personal experiences with you Nick, you mean well and you are a nice man underneath it all.

    You are very fortunate to have such a wonderful family member, but you know this too. :tongue:
     
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    Surprising how deep you have to dig, isn't it, TJ?
     
  13. D_Portelay Porquesword

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    It is no secret you are man of questionable convictions, but all in all I would bet on ya in a dawg fight Nicky. :tongue: LOL
     
  14. D_Portelay Porquesword

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    Every religious group and they momma wants a whack at the Bible. This seems to me like a generic attempt by "God's people" in redefining the last bastion of a moral compass, THE Bible.

    Of course it has flaws. Don't we have them too?
    Of course it leaves many things open to interpretation.
    Then are things left open to interpretation that I read left behind by your average nut bar zealot, scratched into the seats at the bus stops: "Jesus + KKK = LOVE"

    You have to ask, who in their right mind?

    That being said, Jesus wasn't exactly throwing drama when he threw the money changers out the temple for conducting business there. It was their reasoning for doing it there that pissed him off. To me there is a distinct and unquestionable difference there.

    Those greedy money changers cared very little for how that would effect others who come to worship with good intentions (something we seldom see these days) AND when something is held sacred for all the right reasons is not an excuse to go tromping over it or exploit it with a corrupt self serving agenda.

    That is what happens when we as human beings fail to hold fast to the proper convictions and allow the love of a thing to be placed ahead of what can actually do some good in the world.

    Some folks don't get any of this, that's why the need a re-write so their kind can grasp concepts like these. To me, it seems the majority (and not generalizing everyone) of these people are so preoccupied with being so politically correct that good common sense takes an ass whoopin' because they too busy trying to please all of the people all of the time. At of the end of the bru ha, they pass out candy suckers just like the dentist does when you have endured the effort required in maintaining your life according some decent common sense convictions. (expect to be rewarded for doing the right thing every time!)

    Who's to decide what exactly are those decent common sense convictions? You do! Such as:
    Brush your teeth or you get cavities!
    Diet AND exercise.
    You don't bathe, you stink!

    Do unto others as you would have the do unto you.

    I was watching a general assembly of the Baptist church on television a few years ago when they were voting on the big Disney movie banning. The Lion King apparently had some hidden porn message in it that some bored housewife spent hours looking for by watching the film backwards.

    One of the members (someone with common sense) stood up and said: "We're throwing the baby out with the bath water. This is not right."

    I stood up in my living room and applauded.
     
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    I hope, I sincerely hope, you are fucking kidding me with that.

    Oh, and I've got morals, to boot, as well you should know.
     
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    This reminds me a great deal of Godmen, a group that was set up a few years back who felt that Christianity was too wimpy, not manly enough.

    Their website is currently undergoing reconstruction.
     
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    That's hilarious. I hadn't heard of that. Gave me a belly laugh.
     
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    How easy it is to put words in God's mouth
     
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    Of course I am kidding. Sorry if you took offense to that.
     
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    Holy ......

    :eek22:
     
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