Commandant Of Marines Orders Confederate Memoraibilia Off Of Bases Worldwide.

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Top Marine Orders Confederate Paraphernalia to Be Removed from All Bases
As states continue to grapple with the passionate debate over whether to display statues and other tributes to Confederate leaders, Marines have been told the materials won't be tolerated on any of the Corps' installations.

Commandant Gen. David Berger last week instructed top Marine leaders to remove Confederate-related paraphernalia from the service's bases worldwide. The directive is one of several forward-leaning initiatives Berger said he is "prioritizing for immediate execution."......

......The commandant's order came about a week after a congressional hearing on the rise of extremism in the ranks. A recent survey of active-duty troops by the independent Military Times also found signs of white supremacy are on the rise.
Several Marines have recently been punished or booted out of the military over racist social media posts, and lawmakers are pushing the Pentagon to better track extremism in the ranks.

Top Marine Orders Confederate Paraphernalia to Be Removed from All Bases

It's about time. Mr Trump and Stephen Miller will not be pleased.
 

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Top Marine Orders Confederate Paraphernalia to Be Removed from All Bases
As states continue to grapple with the passionate debate over whether to display statues and other tributes to Confederate leaders, Marines have been told the materials won't be tolerated on any of the Corps' installations.

Commandant Gen. David Berger last week instructed top Marine leaders to remove Confederate-related paraphernalia from the service's bases worldwide. The directive is one of several forward-leaning initiatives Berger said he is "prioritizing for immediate execution."......

......The commandant's order came about a week after a congressional hearing on the rise of extremism in the ranks. A recent survey of active-duty troops by the independent Military Times also found signs of white supremacy are on the rise.
Several Marines have recently been punished or booted out of the military over racist social media posts, and lawmakers are pushing the Pentagon to better track extremism in the ranks.

Top Marine Orders Confederate Paraphernalia to Be Removed from All Bases

It's about time. Mr Trump and Stephen Miller will not be pleased.

I expect this commandant is about to be sent to Ukraine with Lt/ Col. Vindman for future draft picks. The 'Dear Leader' will not be pleased by this - 'good people on both sides' type of guy that he is.
 

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Top Marine Orders Confederate Paraphernalia to Be Removed from All Bases
As states continue to grapple with the passionate debate over whether to display statues and other tributes to Confederate leaders, Marines have been told the materials won't be tolerated on any of the Corps' installations.

Commandant Gen. David Berger last week instructed top Marine leaders to remove Confederate-related paraphernalia from the service's bases worldwide. The directive is one of several forward-leaning initiatives Berger said he is "prioritizing for immediate execution."......

......The commandant's order came about a week after a congressional hearing on the rise of extremism in the ranks. A recent survey of active-duty troops by the independent Military Times also found signs of white supremacy are on the rise.
Several Marines have recently been punished or booted out of the military over racist social media posts, and lawmakers are pushing the Pentagon to better track extremism in the ranks.

Top Marine Orders Confederate Paraphernalia to Be Removed from All Bases

It's about time. Mr Trump and Stephen Miller will not be pleased.

Any memorials related strictly to history, such as statues at actual battlefields should remain. Any statues placed as thinly veiled appeals to white supremacy should be removed.

However this is going to get tricky. The 7th Cavalry, who has a strong background for today’s base at Ft Riley, in Kansas, made part of its history subjugating Native Americans.
 

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Any memorials related strictly to history, such as statues at actual battlefields should remain. Any statues placed as thinly veiled appeals to white supremacy should be removed.

However this is going to get tricky. The 7th Cavalry, who has a strong background for today’s base at Ft Riley, in Kansas, made part of its history subjugating Native Americans.

One could logically argue that all Confederate memorials are thinly based monuments to white supremacy. That was what the entire Confederacy was built on. As far as the 7th Cavalry goes, you're right, but Obama apologized for it several years ago - its all good now.
 
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One could logically argue that all Confederate memorials are thinly based monuments to white supremacy. That was what the entire Confederacy was built on. As far as the 7th Cavalry goes, you're right, but Obama apologized for it several years ago - its all good now.

You going to remove a statue of Lee at Gettysburg? Purge statues of Jefferson and Washington?
 

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You going to remove a statue of Lee at Gettysburg? Purge statues of Jefferson and Washington?

On a battlefield? No. Absolutely not. Lee in front of a city square? Hell yes. He committed treason against the U.S. - it was far worse than keeling at a football game. Washington and Jefferson were slave owners, true, both were bad as owners in different ways. Neither was a confederate, although there is no doubt where their sympathies would lie. That said, they were instrumental in the founding of the country and its critical development. Lee tried to destroy that.
 

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On a battlefield? No. Absolutely not. Lee in front of a city square? Hell yes. He committed treason against the U.S. - it was far worse than keeling at a football game. Washington and Jefferson were slave owners, true, both were bad as owners in different ways. Neither was a confederate, although there is no doubt where their sympathies would lie. That said, they were instrumental in the founding of the country and its critical development. Lee tried to destroy that.

Been there.... done that:

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On a battlefield? No. Absolutely not. Lee in front of a city square? Hell yes. He committed treason against the U.S. - it was far worse than keeling at a football game. Washington and Jefferson were slave owners, true, both were bad as owners in different ways. Neither was a confederate, although there is no doubt where their sympathies would lie. That said, they were instrumental in the founding of the country and its critical development. Lee tried to destroy that.

Historical ignoramus. It's only "treason" because history is written by the victors, much the same way the US declaring independence isn't considered "treason" anymore because America won vs GB.

Lee didn't try to destroy anything; he was reluctant to go to war, opposed secession except as a last resort, and only took up his sword when the war was underway.

BTW, the war wasn't about slavery.
 
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Historical ignoramus. It's only "treason" because history is written by the victors, much the same way the US declaring independence isn't considered "treason" anymore because America won vs GB.

Lee didn't try to destroy anything; he was reluctant to go to war, opposed secession except as a last resort, and only took up his sword when the war was underway.

BTW, the war wasn't about slavery.

It was all about slavery. That is why every state that tried to leave cited as their reason. It was enshrined in every confederate constitution. They wanted to keep their slaves. Dressing up any other way is a lie. If course history is written by the winners. Duh.
 

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Historical ignoramus. It's only "treason" because history is written by the victors, much the same way the US declaring independence isn't considered "treason" anymore because America won vs GB.

Lee didn't try to destroy anything; he was reluctant to go to war, opposed secession except as a last resort, and only took up his sword when the war was underway.

BTW, the war wasn't about slavery.



Accurate. But they won't ever agree with you.
 
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Top Marine Orders Confederate Paraphernalia to Be Removed from All Bases
As states continue to grapple with the passionate debate over whether to display statues and other tributes to Confederate leaders, Marines have been told the materials won't be tolerated on any of the Corps' installations.

Commandant Gen. David Berger last week instructed top Marine leaders to remove Confederate-related paraphernalia from the service's bases worldwide. The directive is one of several forward-leaning initiatives Berger said he is "prioritizing for immediate execution."......

......The commandant's order came about a week after a congressional hearing on the rise of extremism in the ranks. A recent survey of active-duty troops by the independent Military Times also found signs of white supremacy are on the rise.
Several Marines have recently been punished or booted out of the military over racist social media posts, and lawmakers are pushing the Pentagon to better track extremism in the ranks.

Top Marine Orders Confederate Paraphernalia to Be Removed from All Bases

It's about time. Mr Trump and Stephen Miller will not be pleased.
It is about time. I bet the commandant is going to have to eat a lot of shit for it, too. The military leadership has the capacity to surprise me some times.
 

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People seem to be focused on monuments. The order is for ALL confederate memorabilia to be gone. I'm sure there are plenty of enlisted soldiers with confederate patches, flags, stickers etc. That is all contraband on US military bases now. I see this as an effort to change the culture of the enlisted men and rid the military of the vestiges of white supremacy.
 

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It was all about slavery. That is why every state that tried to leave cited as their reason. It was enshrined in every confederate constitution. They wanted to keep their slaves. Dressing up any other way is a lie. If course history is written by the winners. Duh.

Then explain the Corwin Amendment to the US Constitution; written by northern Republicans to try to persuade states from seceding.

What's that? You've never heard of it? Lincoln even mentioned it in his first inaugural address, that he was totally okay with a permanent constitutional amendment to protect the institution of slavery forever. And guess what, it passed Congress and was sent to the states for ratification AND northern states ratified it. (BTW, northern states also had slaves; which is why the emancipation proclamation only directed slaves be freed in states that have seceded.) All the southern states had to do was ratify the Corwin Amendment and they would have been hunky dory. Yet they didn't.

And check out the confederate constitution, which prohibited the importation of new slaves. You've never heard of that either, huh? Go look it up, article 1 section 9, very first clause.

Oh and also check out Lincoln's letter to Horace Greeley:

Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.


Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.


I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.



Muh it was all about slavery.
 

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Under Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution the Confederates committed treason. All could have been hanged for it. None of them should have ever been memorialized.

False. States declared independence.

Was Japan charged with treason after WW2?
 

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Then explain the Corwin Amendment to the US Constitution; written by northern Republicans to try to persuade states from seceding.

What's that? You've never heard of it? Lincoln even mentioned it in his first inaugural address, that he was totally okay with a permanent constitutional amendment to protect the institution of slavery forever. And guess what, it passed Congress and was sent to the states for ratification AND northern states ratified it. (BTW, northern states also had slaves; which is why the emancipation proclamation only directed slaves be freed in states that have seceded.) All the southern states had to do was ratify the Corwin Amendment and they would have been hunky dory. Yet they didn't.

And check out the confederate constitution, which prohibited the importation of new slaves. You've never heard of that either, huh? Go look it up, article 1 section 9, very first clause.

Oh and also check out Lincoln's letter to Horace Greeley:

Executive Mansion,
Washington, August 22, 1862.


Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.


I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.



Muh it was all about slavery.

It was all about slavery. Glad you came around to understanding that in your last line. Thanks.
 

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False. States declared independence.

Was Japan charged with treason after WW2?

You are never going to convince them, they will kick and scream like keenobserver above because it destroys their narrative.
 
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