Concerned about Barebacking videos

[BBB2.5]

Hey Everyone...just thought I would ask this question within this section....Hope it's Okay.

Here goes...This a a complicated question about bare backing videos. I enjoy watching them, and at the same time they bother me. Condom free videos are hot... However, it seems to be that more and more of these movies are being made by the younger generation. This worries me, do the producers and performers no longer think that HIV is a problem?
Yeah, I am no better than the rest who like watching it...I admit that. I am HIV+...So I know better. I suppose if it was not making a comeback I would not be watching it. We all seemed to get use to watching porn with condoms. Seems like everything runs in circles.
Just my thoughts.... .....what do you all think?

 

[DC_DEEP]

That depends upon a lot of factors, BBB. If there are people out there who aren't bright enough to distinguish between the movies and real life, that's one issue all unto itself. Assuming for a moment that someone watching these bareback videos isn't an impressionable 12-year-old, that is. An adult should be able to look at the video, and think "It really does look hot to see them barebacking, but I know that when I have sex, I should use a condom." Anyone who would have the notion that "if it's ok for porn stars to bareback, then it's ok for me to bareback" really has some serious mental deficiency going on.

I guess part of the bigger issue is the health and safety of the actors. There's probably a lot going on there that we don't know about. There are a couple of organizations that work to protect those in the porn industry, and they are some of the major influences that started the "wearing condoms in the vids" phenomenon. How willing are the actors to do the bareback videos, how much pressure do the directors and producers put on them, how often are they tested, is drug abuse still rampant in the industry... those things all factor in somehow. I do know of several porn stars who only do bareback scenes with their real-life partners (I can't think of names right off hand...) but it is a perplexing situation.

What it all boils down to, IMHO, is that in real life, everyone should be educated - early - and responsible for his own actions.

 

[hunGreek]

i agree that its i am concerned about the increase in BB videos and i do think that porn does affect people subconciously. the fact that most gay porn is done with condoms does help to put fear in the hearts of most.

On the other hand...

i dont recal ever seing STR8 porn with condoms! why is that? are str8 men immune to HIV? there is tons of anal/vaginal with multiple partners and very often there is cum involved... why does the Str8 industry does that? do they have better safety features? why dont gay ones have that too them?

in that sense i would appreciate more "safe" non-condom action, if in general, porn quality increases..im not particulary turned on by underground vids of bald guys with goatees getting gang banked on slings... i find it highly un-erotic.. but thats my taste anyway.

 

[jeff black]

IS it possible that both actors may be HIV+ as well??

I remember hearing about how people in the porn industry had to get tested alot. I know that isn't the best procaution, but at least they are doing something.

In regards to HunGreek's point, he is totally right. I can only remember a handful of straight pornos I have seen, where the guys aren't wearing condoms. Sometimes, there are three or four guys just going at one girl. I am sure they presume that it is safe because they are cumming on her face. No AIDS if there is no mixture of blood and semen.

Porn companies should definetaly know better, but obviously, there is a market for barebacking, gay or straight. They will keep distributing as long as there is a demand.

 

[novice_btm]

Another unfortunate aspect, is that porn companies pay better for those willing to do barebacking, financially encouraging people to do it (testing is required by most, beforehand).

As far as the poz-on-poz thing goes... well, then you get into the whole controversy of cross-strain re-infection, and does this contribute to mutations leading to a "super virus".

 

[jeff black]

As far as the poz-on-poz thing goes... well, then you get into the whole controversy of cross-strain re-infection, and does this contribute to mutations leading to a "super virus".

Novice, that was a brainy thought!!!! I have honestly, never considered the idea of someone being REinfected, or getting some sort of super Virus. Although, wouldn't it be cool if the the HIV in Person A was different than the HIV in person B, and when they had sex, the Viruses just attacked each other and killed themselves off....

Just imagine, two gay men being responcible for the cure of AIDS, all for doing what they "do best":tongue:

All kidding aside, I think that would be incredible if that actually happened.

 

[novice_btm]

Novice, that was a brainy thought!!!! I have honestly, never considered the idea of someone being REinfected, or getting some sort of super Virus...

I'm clever, but not THAT brainy. Re-infection, especially by a variant strain (for example, the common European strain, is diffent from the common N. American strain) is very possible, and well documented. The theory of the "super virus" is well-known, but is rather controversial.

 

[DC_DEEP]

I'm clever, but not THAT brainy. Re-infection, especially by a variant strain (for example, the common European strain, is diffent from the common N. American strain) is very possible, and well documented. The theory of the "super virus" is well-known, but is rather controversial.

I understand the mutations and variations of the HIV, but I've never seen any convincing studies regarding a "super strain" of the virus.

If both participants are HIV+, I would think that "re-infection" is the least of their worries. The possiblilty of contracting other infections, especially bacterial or fungal ones, seems like it would be a greater concern.

I still say that claiming a particular kind of video "encourages" a particular kind of behavior is escapist at best, evasive at worst, and idiotic by any standard.

 

[Countryguy63]

I can agree with BBB2's concern.
For the most part, many people are visually stimulated, and the entire pretence is to make the viewer feel like they are there, right smack in the action. If the viewer is watching bareback sex, that is what they will remember and will be more likely to repeat the scene that turned them on so much. I personally think that condoms need to be a regular part of penetration por.

 

[TopDudeFtl]

..im not particulary turned on by underground vids of bald guys with goatees getting gang banked on slings... i find it highly un-erotic.. but thats my taste anyway.

Great, there goes my future in porn.

In all seriousness; I too prefer to watch bare backing videos but also get disturbed by the sheer number of new ones out there. People tend to replicate what they see and a young guy watching these videos may not think about wrapping his willy prior to sex. As far as pos on pos goes, there's no good reason to open yourself up to a different strain. It's just plain stupid. Not to mention the OTHER STD's that are out there.

 

[Lex]

My understanding is that all actors in bareback porn as assumed to be HIV+.
I have seen this as a disclaimer on a number of movies.

Also--you do and can see condoms in straight porn. One of the reasons you see less of them there is that straight porn with condoms will not sell outside of the US.

 

[EdWoody]

Well, I hate it. Hate hate hate it. That's hate, by the way.

As i mentioned in another thread, it's actually my job to watch gay porn. I write about it for a gay magazine. And it's my policy never to review, promote, advertise or even mention the existence of bareback porn if i can help it.

I am of the opinion, unlike others in this thread, that entertainment always doubles as education. Since our government prefers the inevitably doomed policy of abstinence over sexual education in schools, it's left to the internet and the porn world to tell little 18-year-old Bobby Joe in Buttfuck, Indiana that he should be putting a condom on. If he sees a gay porn vid, I'd much rather he sees condoms as a standard procedure and just "the way it's done" than without.

It depresses me that so many mainstream gay porn stars have started appearing in bareback videos. As well as not reviewing those videos, as a rule I disown and strike off my list anyone who has appeared in them. And it seems like every week I hear of another, almost every one a guy i'd either respected or been attracted to at some point, and i feel almost personally disappointed in them.

They can go without off-screen if they choose. I may think, and i do, that it's the stupidest thing they could possibly do, but there's nothing i can do about it. It's a free country, as they say. But to promote it, and say by their actions that bareback sex is good, erotic, attractive, any kind of good idea, is 43 different kinds of irresponsible.

What the hell is the big deal with using condoms anyway? Why is it such a problem for these people to just put on this tiny piece of rubber/latex/whatever before they get fucked? Is it really worth risking your life just for the sake of 10 seconds worth of convenience?

The OP's issue was also about the preponderance of bareback twink videos coming out of Florida, I believe. This is even more heinous to me, because the creators of these movies should be taking responsibility for these boys' health. Instead they're taking advantage of their youth and naivety to make them think that fucking without condoms is a good idea. Knowing no better, they'll then go out and get fucked by whoever and get infected. And being only 18, what kind of health insurance do they have to help with the meds?

As for mainstream porn companies refusing to use bareback performers, I'm on the fence. I think it's a good idea to say to these guys, "If you choose to perform for bareback companies, we won't use you anymore. You won't have access to the huge resources we could put behind you. You'll scupper your own career if you do this." But then you run the risk of those guys having nowhere else to go but to the bareback companies, which has the opposite effect to what you want.

As for the kiddies, if they were too naive to know any better when they were 18, it's not their fault and it's good that major porn companies will take them into the fold and teach them the error of their ways. But when a performer has had a perfectly successful mainstream career and chooses of their own free will to move onto bareback, then they instantly lose my respect, and I want nothing more to do with them.

Thus endeth the rant. For now.

 

[hunGreek]

My understanding is that all actors in bareback porn as assumed to be HIV+.
I have seen this as a disclaimer on a number of movies.

ive never seen str8 porn from start to finish so i dont know, but im honesly very suprised about HIV+ porn... i mean.. wasnt it some months ago that one str8 pornstar tested positive in califorinia and all hell broke loose on the adult industry? i doubt that pornstars are positive, and i assume that any disclamers are around the lines of "this is a fantasy, use a condom, we have tested/are safer than you think"

now concerning barebacking in general i think its one of the biggest taboos... i personaly dont bareback but i i do admit that there is a certain alure to BB porn. saying that. i totaly agree with Ivsxy808 that porn does function as an education for young people with limited or no sex education.. hey.. if they do it on tv.. it must be ok...




as for TopDudeFTL... you know what i mean by the scene i described... as a matter of fact i have nothing against goatees.. i frequently have one myself when i resist peer preasure to be cleanly shaven.

 

[warwithscars]

thats actually definitely not true about bareback actors all being HIV+

in bareback porn the care taken to test the actors is just done with my more care and more often......they are tested more often have to have documents on file there and such

and like it was said.....pretty much when you are HIV+ you are done with the porn industry.....there are a few fringe markets where its a fetish to know a positive person is fucking.......but you are pretty much shunned and quarantined when its found out you might be positive....in straight and gay porn

its a huge issue

and i think its absolutely ridiculous to blame bareback porn for people not making correct decisions......its not a film makers job to teach people what is right and what is wrong that is the persons parents and school to do when they are young and well hell for the person to do for themselves

you cant blame BB porn for people no being safe anymore you can blame action films for people being violent

and pretty much 90% of the straight porn i see is "bareback" and i think its unfair to say its wrong for gay to be bareback and straight can

thats pretty much say HIV only effects them fags.....as fundamental Christians and right wings would try to say and still try to say

 

[jfrsndvs]

I found this to be a interesting topic, I do think that those in the porn industry (straight or gay) should be using condoms period, it can serve as a educational and entertaining purpose at the same time.

sure I do enjoy seeing barebacking, but I also enjoy seeing them with condoms on too, but what I don't understand, they are fucking with a condom on (as they should) but when it comes time for them to blow their load, the blow it right there at the hole or on the face, when they do that, what's the use of using a condom in the first place?

but as one stated, those big time production companies, they do promote safty, as where the lower budget companies don't, and yes they are taking huge risks, back when when AIDS started hitting big time back in the 80's, John Holmes was doing what he could to get the adult industry to start using comdoms, but at that time the industry refused to use them, as a result, many porn stars from that era had contracted HIV/AIDS, if the industry had listened to him, maybe there would still be a lot of those porn stars still with us.

and as for condoms not being used in straight porn, I have seen quite a few of them within the past 6 or 7 years where condoms were being used.

 

[Gisella]

Im too concern about the lack of it in porn clips and its in my 'NoNo' list for what I dont like to see in porn ...

 

[thk8plus4u]

I do not watch bareback videos.
Therefore, I do not support the making of them.
If everyone stopped buying/viewing these films,
there would be a strong message sent to the producers.

We must not condone such activity. HIV+ or not, it is
NOT the thing to do. We must be responsible human beings.
If we support these films, we are sending the message that
it is activity we approve of, and the younger generation will
view them and think, "Gee, they're having a great time;
they don't seem to have any problems ... I'm going to do it,
too!"

Porno actors MUST wear condoms to send the message out
that barebacking is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and LIFE
THREATENING.

With ALL the information that is out there, I cannot believe
anyone would see it any other way.

CONDOMS. EVERY TIME. NO EXCEPTIONS.

(I sound like that old Elizabeth Taylor commercial)

 

[Nomad]

IS it possible that both actors may be HIV+ as well??

I remember hearing about how people in the porn industry had to get tested alot. I know that isn't the best procaution, but at least they are doing something.

Treasure Island Media makes barebacking vids that range from just plain hot to vomitaceously disgusting, and I've been under the impression for a long time that most of these guys are positive.

Here's an interview with Dawson, who takes 20+ loads up his ass in the same weekend, that talks about his status, testing and consent at Treasure Island, etc.:

http://www.bluefood.cc/int_dawson.html

 

[jeff black]

Treasure Island Media makes barebacking vids that range from just plain hot to vomitaceously disgusting, and I've been under the impression for a long time that most of these guys are positive.

Here's an interview with Dawson, who takes 20+ loads up his ass in the same weekend, that talks about his status, testing and consent at Treasure Island, etc.:

http://www.bluefood.cc/int_dawson.html

Nomad, the way you said that... I actually closed my legs shut, the way I do, when someone talks about getting kicked in the balls.:tongue:

To be completely honest, at one point, I was intrigued at barebacking, but the last month or so... the idea of leaking and STD's and such, have turned me way off... Plus, your comment about the 20+loads... I nearly threw up.

 

[Nomad]

To be completely honest, at one point, I was intrigued at barebacking, but the last month or so... the idea of leaking and STD's and such, have turned me way off... Plus, your comment about the 20+loads... I nearly threw up.

Usually, when I think of barebacking, I think of oral sex and swallowing loads (mainly because I don't like watching anal very much). I spent many years watching straight porn, where it's very unusual NOT to see a woman swallow loads, and not long after I realized that men were hotter, I noticed that was missing from a lot of gay porn. So I love that about Treasure Island, because those guys are NOT afraid of cum at all, but when they go overboard, it loses its hotness and I lose my erection.

Having said that, there are a lot of things that I'm scared to admit, even to myself, that I've enjoyed. TIM has featured a couple of real-life brothers who suck and fuck and swallow each others' juice, and I have to admit, it turned me on a lot. At first I had to pretend I didn't know they were brothers, but the sex was so totally hot that after a couple viewings, the incest taboo was gone.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this, so how 'bout I just shut up now?