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Wow… a lot of stuff is coming up as a result of this thread… some of it true, some of it not quite as true, and some of it downright false. Given my position in the community ~ having been both a mover and shaker in the bareback community as well as the voice of responsibility and educator on risk and harm reduction, plus a participant in bareback porn, a promoter of the many studios that produce bareback porn, and host webmaster to the (formerly) Annual Bareback Video Awards, I think I might be qualified to speak (at some length) on this subject…


warwithscars said:
and like it was said.....pretty much when you are HIV+ you are done with the porn industry.....there are a few fringe markets where its a fetish to know a positive person is fucking.......but you are pretty much shunned and quarantined when its found out you might be positive....in straight and gay porn
Not universally true. I believe that hetero porn actors who test positive are blacklisted from doing more hetero porn. However working gay porn actors are both POZ and Neg. And there are opportunities aplenty in bareback porn for POZ men.



BBB2.5 said:
Wow...I'm glad to see a real conversation about this subject. At least it seems that most people do realize that it has become a problem.
Problem? Global warming is a problem. International terrorism is a problem. But bareback porn is not a “problem”. I suppose that it could be a problem if the producers of BB porn were putting up “Get Infected” announcements in their videos and having their actors tell the audience that barebacking is completely safe behavior or that AIDS is not a reality. However EVERY bareback video that I have seen (and I have probably seen way more than most of you) starts off with disclaimers and warnings about the unsafe nature of barebacking. Some even have the disclaimers repeat again at the end.


BBB2.5 said:

I'm sure that the bare backing video producers are taking precautions with there actors with testing on a regular basis. However that will not work out if one of them should get infected between test.
Many studios do test their actors regularly. I believe the producers of twink bareback videos test and retest before putting their actors in front of the camera. One thing that is worth noting is that the person who plays the bottom role on video (as in life) runs a greater risk of being infected by a POZ top than does a neg top from a POZ bottom. Those studios that do not do testing do tell their performers to assume that the people they will be having BB sex with are POZ. It is then up to the discretion of the performers to continue or back out.

Incidentally, while the “safer” gay porn has a reputation for drug abuse on-set (and I am not naming names), the BB producers I know do not allow their performers to go on camera if they are on any drug (except perhaps Viagra or poppers). So the barebacking is consensual, and discussed in advance, ergo not a surprise to the performers.


BBB2.5 said:

Someone spoke of two HIV+ guys doing it together....well that is even more dangerous. That could lead to a mutated cell, which may or may not be destroyed by the current HIV medications.
Not exactly true. HIV cells do not mutate as the result of being in close contact with other HIV cells. What can happen is this: Person A’s HIV might have developed resistance to meds 1, 3, and 5. Person B’s HIV might have developed a resistance to meds 3, 4, 6, and 7. When they cross-infect each other, both persons might find themselves unresponsive to meds 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. But the HIV cells do not teach or transfer their resistances (at least that is what a Maricopa County HIV test administrator told me). Since HIV doesn’t fuck to give birth to new cells, but replicates itself by injecting its proteins into a normal blood cell which incubates the virus until it ruptures and sends little copies of itself into the body, it is highly unlikely that HIV cells from person A and person B will combine unless they both infect the same cell.

The supervirus scare of last year failed in most reports to include or expound on the fact that the NYC patient at the center of this controversy was also a severe meth addict who trashed his immune system with drugs then went out and had anyone willing to stuff their dick up his ass blow him full of infected cum. The patient may have been carrying two strains (HIV-1 and –2) and numerous med resistances inside him, which is what led to total failure of any medicine he took, and thus the jump to the “supervirus” conclusion. It remains unproven.

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jfrsndvs said:
last night I was in a yahoo chat room, there was this college boy that IM'd me, he wanted some action, he was a good looking kid and had a nice piece, he said that he was mainly interested in being a bottom, ok, not a problem, I can give him something that he would not forget for a while. and then he asked me if I use rubbers, and I told him that I only fuck with a rubber on, and he lost interest immediately, he only wanted bareback, well that lost my interest right away, I am not going to put myself at risk like that.
There are guys like that out there. When you chat with them, assume they are Positive. Many of them, if negative, are relying on you to tell them if you’re POZ. I always caution people that THEY are responsible for anything they allow to enter their body… nobody else. Also, if they are young and self-described as bareback bottoms, power bottoms, or party bottoms, chances are rather high that they are users of drugs like meth and ecstasy, and are not making sane decisions. Or they are already POZ and don’t care.


novice_btm said:
Well, I just came across it last night on video chat (ICUii). I didn't get into a convo with him, but his profile was BareBackBottom. I read the profile, out of curiousity, and he posted, "Neg bareback bottom son, for poz top dad." I was too freaked out to do anything but shutdown my computer.
Fantasize4men said:
I can't remember what it is referred to as, but there is actually a nickname that has been given to those that actively seek out poz's for barebacking, with the hopes (?) of getting infected themselves. It's a larger group than I would have ever believed. This to me is beyond all reasoning and beyond insane. With so much effort in eliminating this dreaded disease, it's dishearteneing to say the least.
The name, as Lex pointed out, is "bug-chaser". The person who does the intentional infecting is "gift-giver". These terms were coined about 8 years ago by the owner of the xtremesex website (long gone!)

One thing I have come to learn after being a prominent figure in the BB community for the last 8 years is that a lot of the guys who are advertising that they are Neg looking for POZ partners are already HIV+Positive. In most cases, this is a role-playing game that they use to give themselves “control” over who “gives” them HIV. In fact, they didn’t have such control at the time they were infected, so they use this ploy to enjoy some satisfaction in the fantasy that they are in control of their infection.


There are also some men who go out in search of HIV because it’s taboo, twisted, sick, or any of the reasons that most meth users (pnp-ers) find seductively attractive. The more high risk the behavior, the more attractive it is to them. Crystal meth is doing some seriously bad shit to the gay community and its way of thinking. Most users of meth and other “party” drugs are or will become HIV+Positive. The risks for drug users are 400-600 percent above average.


And then there are the boys who are either tired of worrying about getting infected, or believe that they will someday become infected, so why not take care of it now? Those are the people I counsel and try to talk out of bug chasing.


The people who I have little patience with are the HIV+POZ tops who would pass the virus along to someone just because he asks for it. Read thru my Perspective columns on my BarebackHealth.net site for more info.


arktrucker said:
And the gang bang videos with one woman with 20 guys beating off on her with all that cum everywhere.... damnit.
As long as she doesn’t have an open wound on her, and none gets in her eyes or nose, a swarm of men jerking their loads all over her (or, in the case of gay videos, him) is pretty darn harmless. As well, swallowing cum has only been proven to lead to HIV infection if the swallower has bad oral hygiene. Sadly, we’ve become a culture that has been taught to look at cum as if it were radioactive. We all love to see it, but it still freaks a lot of people out.


The bareback video producers I know are all being as responsible as they can be within the genre. Bareback sells. They know it. And it’s a field I want very much to get into for several reasons. However I would like to beef up the disclaimers and bring stuff about sero-sorting (getting sexual only with others of the same HIV status as yourself) and HIV testing into the videos in creative and inspiring ways so that people watching them (with the sound on, anyway) will learn that it’s OK to ask someone their status, OK to carry one’s latest results with them, and OK to say no to someone who is not the same HIV status. I have a bunch of ideas… is anyone else in the LA area interested in working on such projects?


Sounds like a topic for a new thread…
 

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VERY informative, BBJ. Meth addicts so willingly abrogate any sense of quality of life that I guess I can understand their willingness to become infected. Has any research been done to indicate what percentage of bug chasers are addicts or actually HIV+?
 

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COLJohn said:
VERY informative, BBJ. Meth addicts so willingly abrogate any sense of quality of life that I guess I can understand their willingness to become infected. Has any research been done to indicate what percentage of bug chasers are addicts or actually HIV+?
Such a study would be near-impossible to do, as tweakers and those living the party lifestyle are not always honest with other people on important matters of health, including their doctors, such as the frequency and nature of sexual practices, the frequency of their drug use, and their HIV status. Many of them, believing themselves to be invincible, don't even bother to get tetsted. And while those of us who were paying attention to the meth epidemic many years ago saw the direct correlation between meth use and HIV infections, it took the medical profession until about a year or two ago to "officially" draw the conclusion that meth users are 400-600 times more likely to become infected with HIV as well as various other diseases.

As for bug chasers in general being HIV+ vs HIV-, that sounds like an informal anonymous survey I could conduct on my site. Again, an official headcount would be rather difficult to perform. An informal one might be much easier, bearing in mind the slew of the results based on who actually went to the site and took the survey.
 

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BarebackJack said:
Such a study would be near-impossible to do, as tweakers and those living the party lifestyle are not always honest with other people on important matters of health, including their doctors, such as the frequency and nature of sexual practices, the frequency of their drug use, and their HIV status. Many of them, believing themselves to be invincible, don't even bother to get tetsted. And while those of us who were paying attention to the meth epidemic many years ago saw the direct correlation between meth use and HIV infections, it took the medical profession until about a year or two ago to "officially" draw the conclusion that meth users are 400-600 times more likely to become infected with HIV as well as various other diseases.

As for bug chasers in general being HIV+ vs HIV-, that sounds like an informal anonymous survey I could conduct on my site. Again, an official headcount would be rather difficult to perform. An informal one might be much easier, bearing in mind the slew of the results based on who actually went to the site and took the survey.


An informal survey would be a good place to start, wouldn't it? The lag between what people in the field perceive and the data that follow is often years. Your unofficial research could be an impetus.
 

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COLJohn said:
VERY informative, BBJ. Meth addicts so willingly abrogate any sense of quality of life that I guess I can understand their willingness to become infected. Has any research been done to indicate what percentage of bug chasers are addicts or actually HIV+?


Sadly, I know a guy who is a lawyer and a partier. He travels to events and circuit parties with his group of friends and claims to have "Daddies in most cities." They are haveing bareback sex of course and Voila~! All five of them (the group) Are now HIV+. You'd think this might slow down his partying and barebacking orgy behavior? Nope.


BarebackJack--thanks for calrifying regarding cum on skin--I was going to note that.

Also--my understanding is that stomach acid kills the virus, which may be why why the HIV+ cases from oral have been traced to gum disease, mouth sores or flossing/brushing too soon before sexual activity (under 4 hours is not recommended).
 

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Lex said:
Are now HIV+. You'd think this might slow down his partying and barebacking orgy behavior?
I see that as one of the biggest problems faced is when HIV+ people continue their behavior, I'm not sure if anything can really be done about it...
 

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findfirefox said:
I see that as one of the biggest problems faced is when HIV+ people continue their behavior, I'm not sure if anything can really be done about it...



what do you mean? that they should stop barebacking NOW that they are HIV+? if anything being HIV+ pushes someone to not use condoms (with other poz partners OBVIOUSLY)
 

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hunGreek said:
what do you mean? that they should stop barebacking NOW that they are HIV+? if anything being HIV+ pushes someone to not use condoms (with other poz partners OBVIOUSLY)

Yes, they should stop barebacking.

Everyone has a personal resonsibility (IMHO) to prevent the spread of STDs. Knowing you are HIV+ and barebacking is reckless and irresponsible (to me).
 

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Lex said:
Yes, they should stop barebacking.

Everyone has a personal resonsibility (IMHO) to prevent the spread of STDs. Knowing you are HIV+ and barebacking is reckless and irresponsible (to me).

Now, a question.

For those of you in a committed relationship, do you still use condoms?
 

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Lex said:
Yes, they should stop barebacking.

Everyone has a personal resonsibility (IMHO) to prevent the spread of STDs. Knowing you are HIV+ and barebacking is reckless and irresponsible (to me).
While I agree with you COMPLETELY that we each have a personal responsibility to contain HIV and other STD's (but don't get me started on heterosexual irresponsibility over the centuries when it comes to Syphilis, Gonorrhea, and other STD's), I do not agree that HIV+Positive people have to stop barebacking, as long as they only have sex with other POZ people and that they are aware of the risks associated with having unprotected sex with each other.

There truly is no reason on God's green earth why POZ guys should even consider having sex (protected or not) with negative guys (or women) ~ and vice versa... or for that matter, with anyone who claims not to know his/her HIV status.

The hard truth is that expecting all people to wear condoms 100% of the time they have sex is an unrealistic expectation. So the next best alternative is to educate people about the risks involved and encourage them to make better decisions. That's what I use my presence on the internet to do... to encourage honesty regarding HIV status between partners; to encourage people to seek out sexual encounters only with those who are of the same status; and to avoid those who claim not to know their status or engage in other behaviors that are likely to result in either dishonesty or HIV infection (including people who use party drugs or routinely hang out at bath houses).

Perhaps some of my goals are a bit unrealistic as well... I know I won't get all gay men to behave in this manner. but if my advice can change the pattern of even a handful of people, my work is worthwhile. And again, I am interested in starting a production company that handles bareback videos with more responsibility than some of what is currently being produced. I see room for improvement there.
 

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BarebackJack said:
The hard truth is that expecting all people to wear condoms 100% of the time they have sex is an unrealistic expectation. So the next best alternative is to educate people about the risks involved and encourage them to make better decisions. ...

Unrealistic does not mean we should not expect it. Since many guys who say they are neg could be HIV+ and not know it yet (or lying) and people are never 100% truthful about any sexually based questions, my personal belief is that the best plan to reduce the transmission rate of HIV (and other STDs) is to encourage ALL sexually active people to use condoms.

Let's be honest--many men lie about their HIV status for fear of rejection. There is a HUGE stigma to being HIV+. Accordningly, HIV-/HIV+ relationships are the new "mixed couple" from what a see, read, and people I interact with. Of maybe the 6 people I know who are HIV+, only one of them was "living wildly" or being reckless when they contracted the virus. All the others were in what they assumed were monogamous or (play safe only) realtionships and HIV was brought home to them by their partners (Actually, I also know a guy who got it from a blood transfusion long ago).

I admire your efforts BBJ and there is a lot of information on your site that many would do well to read. That being said, I also think that encouraging people to bareback given what we know of male sexual behavior (hetero, bi, or straight) is reckless. Too many people lie and hide the truth for your theorhetical efforts to evince change and slow down transmission.
 

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I much prefer it which is why I either watch the classic pre-condom films or the ones today. Really like the hot military barebacking ones. I have found that many of the videos today don't focus on the condom and sometimes you dont even see them which is hot. As long as the actors in the video are tested NEG what the hell !!! If the guy doesn't precum or even cum in the dudes ass there is little risk.
I worry that idiot kids of today are careless and the level of apathy within this country expresses this. I don't worry nearly as much about the people in porn as I do the mindless automatons we are breeding today.

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HUNGHUGE11X7 said:
I much prefer it which is why I either watch the classic pre-condom films or the ones today. Really like the hot military barebacking ones. I have found that many of the videos today don't focus on the condom and sometimes you dont even see them which is hot. As long as the actors in the video are tested NEG what the hell !!! If the guy doesn't precum or even cum in the dudes ass there is little risk.
I worry that idiot kids of today are careless and the level of apathy within this country expresses this. I don't worry nearly as much about the people in porn as I do the mindless automatons we are breeding today.

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Lex said:
Yes, they should stop bare backing.

Everyone has a personal responsibility (IMHO) to prevent the spread of STDs. Knowing you are HIV+ and bare backing is reckless and irresponsible (to me).
Wow...Lex
I am Surprised that you made that statement. Yes, knowing you are HIV+ and bare backing is reckless and irresponsible. It is even more dangerous going around bare backing and not knowing your HIV status.

Why should all the responsibility be put on the HIV+ people. You negative people also have a huge role to play when it come to safe sex.

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Having a condom fetish, I prefer both straight and gay movies where they are used. What does bother me is the ones where they (condoms) magically appear and then disappear before the load is shot. I'd love to see them being put on and then taken off after the climax. Foreplay with a condom can be exciting, i.e. rolled down with a partners tongue, deep-throating flavored condoms, etc.
 

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BBB2.5 said:
Wow...Lex
I am Surprised that you made that statement. Yes, knowing you are HIV+ and bare backing is reckless and irresponsible. It is even more dangerous going around bare backing and not knowing your HIV status.

Why should all the responsibility be put on the HIV+ people. You negative people also have a huge role to play when it come to safe sex.

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BBB2.5--I did not mean that statement to sound as if only HIV+ men should stop barebacking. I agree 100% with that you said here and I think my earlier post (made after the one you quoted) clarified my feelings that EVERYONE should wear condoms.
 

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Lex said:
BBB2.5--I did not mean that statement to sound as if only HIV+ men should stop bare backing. I agree 100% with that you said here and I think my earlier post (made after the one you quoted) clarified my feelings that EVERYONE should wear condoms.
I did not think that is what you had intended. This thread had been very active and it is difficult to remember everything that has been said. Sorry for the misunderstanding...:smile:
 

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BBB2.5 said:
Hey Everyone...just thought I would ask this question within this section....Hope it's Okay.

Here goes...This a a complicated question about bare backing videos. I enjoy watching them, and at the same time they bother me. Condom free videos are hot... However, it seems to be that more and more of these movies are being made by the younger generation. This worries me, do the producers and performers no longer think that HIV is a problem?
Yeah, I am no better than the rest who like watching it...I admit that. I am HIV+...So I know better. I suppose if it was not making a comeback I would not be watching it. We all seemed to get use to watching porn with condoms. Seems like everything runs in circles.
Just my thoughts....:confused: .....what do you all think?

Sadly, art (porno) mimics life as a lot of men at saunas and bath-houses still do not use condoms.
I think the cum shot is the money-shot as regards gay porn.
I prefer masturbation and oral sex and fucking leaves me cold.
A lot of gay videos concentrate on penetrative sex ....
 

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Anyone who wants to see the mindset behind barebacking and their followers should see the documentary 'The Gift', it made me sick and I just don't understand these people.

Although the gay scene is known for HIV, a new very vulnerable group are straight young women... Many straight kids are having unprotected sex because they are on birth control pills... so let's be aware aids is a problem for all, and if people keep thinking it's a gay thing it will be only a matter of time before many more straight people will get infected as well.

I think if it wasn't for birthcontrol use of condoms (not nescessarily for STD's) HIV would have been as much a straight thing as a gay thing...