Concerned about Barebacking videos

[BarebackJack]

Anyone who wants to see the mindset behind barebacking and their followers should see the documentary 'The Gift', it made me sick and I just don't understand these people.

Although the gay scene is known for HIV, a new very vulnerable group are straight young women... Many straight kids are having unprotected sex because they are on birth control pills... so let's be aware aids is a problem for all, and if people keep thinking it's a gay thing it will be only a matter of time before many more straight people will get infected as well.

I think if it wasn't for birthcontrol use of condoms (not nescessarily for STD's) HIV would have been as much a straight thing as a gay thing...

Yikes... there's quite a bit wrong with your reply there NiceDude...

re: "The Gift"... The documentary is not representative of the barebacking community as a whole, but of a small portion of the community that seems focused on becoming HIV+ and sharing the virus. This is a VERY SMALL group overall, but a documentary has the ability to take something small and magnify it until it looks huge. To paint the entire barebacking community with that same brush would be no less wrong than painting the entire gay community as a bunch of drag queens because the media shows DQ's on parade on the news every gay pride season, or the straight population as a bunch of Al and Peg Bundys.

The publicity for "The Gift" erroneously claims that I am one of the more notorious bug chasers highlighted in the film, and that I actively promote "gift giving" (intentional HIV infection). I have written the producer of that video and asked that she correct the statement, as she is speaking of Kenboy (who stars in the movie) and his website, Bareback City, which supported some very unhealthy behaviors and thankfully is now defunct due to the owners' own excesses.

re: str8 young girls... Just turn on Maury Povich to see how cavalier the youth of today is when it comes to sex. Consider the number of programs he does on DNA testing to find out who a kid's father is... one gets the sense that none of today's youth uses condoms.

But what does that have to do with gay bareback videos?

re: Birth control vs HIV... Again, that's only part of the problem. Add to it the fact that gay people are treated as second-class citizens by and large, many are shunned by their families and friends, and we are continually being prevented from being allowed to marry. These (and other factors) all combine to create a culture of promiscuity ~ gay men looking for a substitute for the love their families now withhold, no incentive for long-term commitment, lots and lots of people given unnecessary psychological baggage to carry... it is no wonder that HIV got a firm toehold in the gay community. Birth control in the form of condoms has helped the str8 community SOMEWHAT. But one must ask, with birth control readily available over the past 6 decades yet in use since the time of the Greeks, why do we still have syphilis or gonorrhea? Condoms alone are not the answer. That's like saying that a bandaid is all you need for every wound.

Straight people have had the benefit and incentive of marriage along with the societal pressure to get married and be with one person, as well as the pressure to save one's self sexually until marriage, and I believe that has helped keep the HIV numbers down among heteros. Allowing gays to marry would be a tremendous step toward reducing HIV in the gay community. Too bad the majority is too blind to recognize this. Ultimately it hurts them more to continue to prevent us from sharing in this unequal right.

By the way... don't forget Africa, where the HIV numbers are highest among heterosexuals.

Let me direct you to my Perspective column. Click on the link to open the archive, then look up the following articles on human nature and responsibility: http://www.barebackjack.com/perspective.html
I would recommend reading "Is HIV Gift-Giving Ever Acceptable?" and "Lessons in Human Behavior"

Bon appetit!

 

[NiceDude]

Yikes... there's quite a bit wrong with your reply there NiceDude...

re: "The Gift"... The documentary is not representative of the barebacking community as a whole, but of a small portion of the community that seems focused on becoming HIV+ and sharing the virus. This is a VERY SMALL group overall, but a documentary has the ability to take something small and magnify it until it looks huge. To paint the entire barebacking community with that same brush would be no less wrong than painting the entire gay community as a bunch of drag queens because the media shows DQ's on parade on the news every gay pride season, or the straight population as a bunch of Al and Peg Bundys.

The publicity for "The Gift" erroneously claims that I am one of the more notorious bug chasers highlighted in the film, and that I actively promote "gift giving" (intentional HIV infection). I have written the producer of that video and asked that she correct the statement, as she is speaking of Kenboy (who stars in the movie) and his website, Bareback City, which supported some very unhealthy behaviors and thankfully is now defunct due to the owners' own excesses.

re: str8 young girls... Just turn on Maury Povich to see how cavalier the youth of today is when it comes to sex. Consider the number of programs he does on DNA testing to find out who a kid's father is... one gets the sense that none of today's youth uses condoms.

But what does that have to do with gay bareback videos?

re: Birth control vs HIV... Again, that's only part of the problem. Add to it the fact that gay people are treated as second-class citizens by and large, many are shunned by their families and friends, and we are continually being prevented from being allowed to marry. These (and other factors) all combine to create a culture of promiscuity ~ gay men looking for a substitute for the love their families now withhold, no incentive for long-term commitment, lots and lots of people given unnecessary psychological baggage to carry... it is no wonder that HIV got a firm toehold in the gay community. Birth control in the form of condoms has helped the str8 community SOMEWHAT. But one must ask, with birth control readily available over the past 6 decades yet in use since the time of the Greeks, why do we still have syphilis or gonorrhea? Condoms alone are not the answer. That's like saying that a bandaid is all you need for every wound.

Straight people have had the benefit and incentive of marriage along with the societal pressure to get married and be with one person, as well as the pressure to save one's self sexually until marriage, and I believe that has helped keep the HIV numbers down among heteros. Allowing gays to marry would be a tremendous step toward reducing HIV in the gay community. Too bad the majority is too blind to recognize this. Ultimately it hurts them more to continue to prevent us from sharing in this unequal right.

By the way... don't forget Africa, where the HIV numbers are highest among heterosexuals.

Let me direct you to my Perspective column. Click on the link to open the archive, then look up the following articles on human nature and responsibility: http://www.barebackjack.com/perspective.html
I would recommend reading "Is HIV Gift-Giving Ever Acceptable?" and "Lessons in Human Behavior"

Bon appetit!

I don't think there was that much wrong in my post, it was a quick post with a quick opinion, the whole issue is far too complicated and would require a lot more nuances than a discussion board can provide. One can't blame people linking barebacking to HIV, it's related and of course there are people that bareback and know what they do and some who do it careless.

Remember I am from the Netherlands, where gay marriage is legal (we were the first country!) and gays are far more accepted than in America. Our whole perspective on abstenence and religion are totally different. I am sorry, but the manner the American political agenda is influenced by religious beliefs is ridiculous. This has major issues for the way kids deal with and get educated about these things as well, but this is a whole different discussion.

"But one must ask, with birth control readily available over the past 6 decades yet in use since the time of the Greeks, why do we still have syphilis or gonorrhea? Condoms alone are not the answer. That's like saying that a bandaid is all you need for every wound."

Well, unlike the other STD's, HIV can be less easily transmitted when using a condom. Gonorrhea can be transmitted far more easily, for instance by 'rubbing one's penis over the other one', luckily HIV can't be.

I just say that the straight use for condoms was mainly for problem avoidance concerning birth, which may have helped them too. When HIV came and nobody was aware, gays weren't using much protection because they didn't know it was there: no wonder it spread faster. I know it's probably a lot more complicated but just my 2 cents .

 

[allmale]

I'm glad to see the discussion on barebacking videos, it think its been needed for a long time.
I, too, like barebacking vidoes....but to a point. We, as a community, need to come to a conclusion though as to what is acceptable, and what is not, in producing and selling of the material. I do think many men and boys who are exposed to some of the vidoes will throw caution to the wind and engage in some unsafe practices, never doubt the stupidity of the public and those in our community especially the young.
The Treasure Isand videos concern me, as some of you have pointed out. At what point does it become a "snuff" film??!! I was not aware that some of the performers were HIV positive. Dawson did take over 20 loads up his ass and mouth in one weekend, most of the "donors" were regular porn "stars" who did so not once but two or three times during the course of the weekend. Sadly though, there was the "anonymous" donors in the films too. I
I don't think it would be too hard to have these type of films banned in most communites if politicans ever got wind of the content under the context of "snuff." This would certainly have a domino effect on all gay films that are distributed, esp in the most hardcore "red" states or communities. You guys, we are on a slippery slope here and we all need to come together and come up with a reasonable solution to keep our noses clean. It's all just a thought.

 

[BarebackJack]

Yes, knowing you are HIV+ and bare backing is reckless and irresponsible. It is even more dangerous going around bare backing and not knowing your HIV status.

Sorry to have gotten back to this thread so late. Anyway, I disagree that ALL barebacking is irresponsible and reckless among HIV+ men. I know many POZ guys who will not have sex, protected or not, with anyone who is Negative, and I spend a lot of my space online encouraging both POZ and Negative men to segregate when it comes to HIV status (a practice called "Sero-Sorting", or only selecting people of the same HIV status to have sex with). Some people don't like the idea of sero-sorting, but it's the best way I can think of toward putting a lid on HIV infections and thereby keeping the virus contained. I don't think that having protected sex with sero-incompatible people is achieving that as completely as only having sex with people of the same status.

I completely agree that it is not only dangerous, but foolish and irresponsible for any sexually active person to go around having sex of any kind without getting tested on a regular basis. The more you know about what's going on inside you, the better the quality life decisions you can make and the fewer others you will put at risk.

Why should all the responsibility be put on the HIV+ people. You negative people also have a huge role to play when it come to safe sex.

FYI, I firmly stand behind the reality that HIV-Negative people are every bit as responsible for the spread of HIV as are HIV+Positive people. But acknowledging the responsibility of Neg. people does not in turn allow for the reckless behavior of some POZ people when they knowingly hook up with negative folks. And frankly I don't know what motivates negative guys to jump in bed with POZ guys if they truly want to stay negative. Some think that responsibility belongs to only one person in the equation. It doesn't. If you look at my site, you'll see that I've apportioned the responsibility pretty evenly.

...I, too, like barebacking vidoes....but to a point. We, as a community, need to come to a conclusion though as to what is acceptable, and what is not, in producing and selling of the material. I do think many men and boys who are exposed to some of the vidoes will throw caution to the wind and engage in some unsafe practices, never doubt the stupidity of the public and those in our community especially the young.

I doubt much can be done to dictate what is acceptible or not, because too many restrictions would violate the first amendment. Some counties like Los Angeles County have recently enacted laws that basically make it illegal to hire anyone to work in a manner that puts the health and lives of employees/performers at risk. It's a back door way to enforce condom use in the fuckflick business.

People are what they are. Some are smart. Some are stupid. Where would you draw the line on content? Should laws be enacted that prevent movies featuring violence and terrorism from being made, lest someone in the audience gets the idea to blow up a subway? Won't happen. People have been barebacking even when bareback videos weren't available. And one thing I have heard from some men is that they enjoy watching bareback videos much more than condom vids, but they would never practice barebacking. I give people more credit than you. But sometimes they don't know what options are available to them.

...The Treasure Isand videos concern me, as some of you have pointed out. At what point does it become a "snuff" film??!! I was not aware that some of the performers were HIV positive. Dawson did take over 20 loads up his ass and mouth in one weekend, most of the "donors" were regular porn "stars" who did so not once but two or three times during the course of the weekend. Sadly though, there was the "anonymous" donors in the films too. I don't think it would be too hard to have these type of films banned in most communites if politicans ever got wind of the content under the context of "snuff." This would certainly have a domino effect on all gay films that are distributed, esp in the most hardcore "red" states or communities. You guys, we are on a slippery slope here and we all need to come together and come up with a reasonable solution to keep our noses clean. It's all just a thought.

Dawson, for what it's worth, has admitted publicly that he started doing videos after he found out he was POZ. I do agree that the Treasure Island stuff can come across looking extremely irresponsible, but I can tell you that they do screen and consult everyone before filming them, and waivers are signed so that each performer knows that there could well be risks involved in participating in their videos. I do think they could do more to educate their audiences and show that there are precautions that are and should be taken in advance of any bareback encounter.

Calling bareback videos "snuff films" is a bit extreme. I cannot agree with that assessment. A snuff film is technically a film in which a person is intentionally murdered during the sex act ~ and of course, such things are illegal. And no video that I know of falls under that category or the category of "conversion films" in which a negative person would be filmed being bred and infected by POZ men.

I feel it is not only my goal, but my duty to produce culturally responsible videos and PSA's that encourage healthier behavior. I may be the only one associated with the BB porn industry who sees this need beyond disclaimers tacked onto the beginning of videos alongside the FBI warnings and 2257 information. It stands to reason that if a porn video can lead some people into unhealthy behaviors, it has the same power to lead people into healthier ones as well. So keep your eye out for changes, and know that I will be doing my best to make them happen.

Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the show...

 

[442304]

ALL of the men who are into bareback videos are Poz and they are completely crazy idiots who have death wishes and do not care what strains (Yes you can get multiple strains of HIV no it is not a myth) of HIV they get and pass onto others and let's not forget about STDs and stomach parasites either. These people are insane and are everything that's wrong with humanity and are evil human scum. Anyone who barebacks like the men in these videos do with people who they are NOT IN A MONOGAMOUS relationship with is knowingly spreading HIV and STDs to others and does not care about their health or humanity and these people are an example of social Darwinsim and are human lemmings. You will hear POZ people say how it's impossible to get other strains of HIV but they are just trying to justify their unsafe sex and spreading of multiple strains of HIV and other STDs to people. No not all Poz people bareback but those that do and act like it's no big deal to bareback with other Poz people are insane and do not care if they die.

 

[442304]

If you're a barebacker that means two things: 1. You've probably infected at least one person with HIV not through an accident, but deliberately. I shall let your own conscience deal with that issue. 2. You're probably going to catch additional pathogens and/or strains of HIV and significantly degrade both the length and quality of your life. Boo hoo!

 

[kristopherdideles]

i think its their problem. and let them do it. lets just thank them theyre giving us raw and hot videos..
=)