Congresswoman Shot at Constituent Event

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The congresswoman is doing much much better now. Still a long way to go.. but I'm somewhat appalled at the attention she is getting minute-by-minute. She's a fucking politician... not a Peace Corps worker running an orphanage single-handedly in Bangladesh. A black school teacher near Oakland gets shot and clings to life the same way, and MAYBE you get a follow-up message on page D-8 of the Contra Costa Time. She is a true hero. Politicians (most of them) are nepotistic power mongers who spend millions to put themselves in office, and then name fucking bridges, schools, highways and streets after each other. A fucking prime oligarchy behavior.

Sorry to bring this up amidst her struggle, but me thinks the mother who raises 9 foster children struggling to survive an accident barely makes the paper, while if it were Katy Perry, she'd be immortalized w/in the mere news of the accident. This is that Rome is burning shit.

It's a fucking politician...[not] innocent ppl getting shot and struggling to survive happens regularly across the country to much more honorable and deserving ppl who don't get the best doctors at beck/call. An innocent school teacher making $32K/year stuck in county general....

I'm sure I'll get ripped, but whatever, at least I know my moral barometer is properly calibrated.

I'm not going to rip you a new one, Schmoopy. In fact, I agree with you. I assume the foster mother you mention is a real Bay Area person and I agree, who is going to give her the best health care and support for her family? No doubt as soon as she's out of the hospital she'll be accused of being a welfare queen driving a Cadillac because of those foster kids and her inability to no longer care for them. Bienvenidos al EE.UU.
 

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No doubt as soon as she's out of the hospital she'll be accused of being a welfare queen driving a Cadillac because of those foster kids and her inability to no longer care for them.

Sadly, that is very true. And considering the source, I can sense a heavy level of backhanded snideness fueling his motives. Regardless whether or not the person getting shot is a politician or a poor woman in Oakland, the fact still remains that they were both innocent people who didn't deserve it. Besides, with all of the unreported tragedies that happen in the hood it seems suspect that someone who looks at every opportunity to scream "hypocrisy" and "racism" whenever someone makes a statement that challenges his beliefs would somehow have a sudden change of heart and act like he gives a damn about the ghetto.
 

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Sadly, that is very true. edit it seems suspect that someone who looks at every opportunity to scream "hypocrisy" and "racism" whenever someone makes a statement that challenges his beliefs would somehow have a sudden change of heart and act like he gives a damn about the ghetto.

As one might say, "Tru dat!" Sorry, but as I read your post my subconscious suddenly cued the sound track to Shaft. My bad. :smile:
 

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The congresswoman is doing much much better now. Still a long way to go.. but I'm somewhat appalled at the attention she is getting minute-by-minute. She's a fucking politician... not a Peace Corps worker running an orphanage single-handedly in Bangladesh. A black school teacher near Oakland gets shot and clings to life the same way, and MAYBE you get a follow-up message on page D-8 of the Contra Costa Time. She is a true hero. Politicians (most of them) are nepotistic power mongers who spend millions to put themselves in office, and then name fucking bridges, schools, highways and streets after each other. A fucking prime oligarchy behavior.

Sorry to bring this up amidst her struggle, but me thinks the mother who raises 9 foster children struggling to survive an accident barely makes the paper, while if it were Katy Perry, she'd be immortalized w/in the mere news of the accident. This is that Rome is burning shit.

It's a fucking politician... innocent ppl getting shot and struggling to survive happens regularly across the country to much more honorable and deserving ppl who don't get the best doctors at beck/call. An innocent school teacher making $32K/year stuck in county general....
Lovin your spin here. So I guess now you're going to come out in support of universal health care? :rolleyes:

The point you're missing is that among six dead and thirteen wounded, a Congressional Representative, her aides, and a Federal Judge were gunned down (he was killed) in service to our democratic government, in service to the people. I somehow think that if Rep. Giffords were more in line with your ideology, you might be singing a different tune. However you want to stereotype "politicians", by all accounts Gabrielle Giffords is truly one of the good ones, and Judge John Roll was a paragon of his office and a good, kind and exceptional man. His murder is especially tragic.

The fact that this happened in a free and open forum where the representative came to hear the concerns of her constituents, several of whom were killed, is appalling and chilling when you think about what it. Among those killed was a nine year old girl, who was inspired by Rep. Giffords, excited to meet her, and interested in pursuing a career in politics herself! More and more good people are unwilling to serve in the climate of hostility that has been building to this point for years, and knee jerk dismissal and denigration of all public servants does not encourage them. How many more good people might be discouraged from serving as a result of this incident and the negative stereotypical attitudes people like you express? We, the people, are the ultimate losers here, and you're not helping.

I'm sure I'll get ripped, but whatever, at least I know my moral barometer is properly calibrated.
Seriously? You have one??
 
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The fear voiced by Tuscon citizens was not of going to political events, but of going to the supermarket with their children along--- because the shooting was in a supermarket parking lot. :sad:

Fear makes us stupid, as stupid as chronic malnutrition.
 

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I don't see anything to support your statement, Nick, in any way. Please give examples of whom you mean by 'anti-American left' also. On the TV news, folk on the street in Tuscon are not saying they want the Constitution changed. They are saying 'something should be done'-- pretty vague.

Yes, they are something should be done to constrain free speech, and gun possession, two of the basic and fundamental freedoms that marked the American ideals of the nation's founding:

e-mail from the Dem Party, titled "Tone Down the Rhetoric, Toughen Up the Laws"

[FONT=verdana,geneva]"...There is no single response to the awful Tucson massacre.
[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]But here are two we can embrace: let's call on elected leaders to (1) tone down the rhetoric and (2) toughen up the laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill...."[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]http://www.democrats.com/tone-down-the-rhetoric-toughen-up-the-laws[/FONT]

Lib Dem Rep. Clyburn (during an NPR interview):

SIEGEL: Beyond self-restraint and self-policing, if you will, would you support, say, a move that would extend the legal bar against threatening the president or the vice president, to any threats made against any member of Congress?
Rep. CLYBURN: Well, I think we reached the point where that may be necessary. And I understand such legislation is going to be introduced. And if it is, I will support it. I may also try to amend it, because I think we might look at whether or not we ought to make it a federal crime to carry a loaded gun within a certain distance of people who are participating in federal elections.



Rep. Clyburn On Political Discourse : NPR


Reminds me of the Obama Truth Squads, whose mission was to silence those who would speak in deviation of the truths handed down by the anointed ones:

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading television ad during the presidential campaign."
[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]The implied threat in the Channel 4 report is that prosecutors and sheriffs across Missouri will enforce "Missouri ethics laws" and conduct criminal investigations of "anyone who lies or runs a misleading television ad" against Barack Obama. Although the report did not directly state that intent, that implied message was clearly conveyed."

[/FONT]American Thinker Blog: Missouri's Obama Truth Squads (updated Governor's statement)

Likewise, the lib dems would like to use this incident to legislate what may or may not be spoken, all in accord with their doctrine, would be the only permissable speech:


I think that Democrats need to point out the hate rhetoric from the right wing.

The US rightwing would have you hate a long list

Faggots
Niggers
Ayrabs
Dykes
Intellectuals
Libtards
Euro Pussies
Atheists
Abortionists
Reds
Chinks
Nips
The poor, aka wellfare scroungers
Add your own.........

These people don't deserve the land of the free.

If you're asking who is "the anti-American left", that was a reference to today's leftist liberal wing, the direct ideological desendant of various strains of anti-American Marxist-Leninist rhetoric. Their is no dearth of materials on the history, and analysis of them:

David Shannon, The Socialist Party of America (1955);
Werner Sombert, Why is there no Socialism in the United States? (1976);
David Shannon, The Decline of American Communism (1959);
Kenneth Dolbeare, American Ideologies (1976);
Paul Sweezy and Paul Baran, Monopoly Capital (1966);
W. A. Williams, The Contours of American History (1964);
D.F.Fleming, The Cold War and Its Origins: 1917-1960 (1968);
Gabriel Kolko, Main Currents in Modern American History (1976);
Daniel Yergin, Shattered Peace: The Origins of the Cold War and the National Security State (1977);
Lawrence Wittner, Cold War America (1978);
Paul Jacobs and Saul Landau, The New Radicals (1966);
Jack Newfield, A Prophetic Minority (1966);
James Kunen, The Strawberry Statement (1968);
Ronald Berman, America in the Sixties (1968);
Charles Reich, The Greening of America (1969);
James Weinstein, The Decline of Socialism in America, 1912-1925 (1967);
Christopher Lasch, The Agony of the American Left (1969);
William Fulbright, The Arrogance of Power (1966);
Murray Bookchin, Post Scarcity Anarchism (1971);
C. Wright Millis, The Power Elite (1956); Ronald Taylor, Chavez and the Farm Workers (1975);
Herbert Marcuse, One-Dimensional Man (1968);
Theodore Rozak, The Making of a Counter Culture (1969);
Massimo Teodori, ed., The New Left: A Documentary History (1969); Staughton Lynd, The Intellectual Origins of American Radicalism (1968); Robert L. Allen, Black Awakening in Capitalist America (1974);

In objection to my point, it might be stated that today's libs may not have received the pure doctrinal training, which is true, but if one listens to any of them, almost as if reciting from the same little red book, the same pattern of propositions is repeated in their speech, and the same reliance on neosophism and resort to ad-hominem responses. Marvelous explanations are provided by Alston Chase and Alan Bloom.

The same patterns we saw in the Soviet union we see from the current left.

Compare the firing of NPR's Juan Williams, with the firing of dissidents in the Soviet union -- the pattern in both situations is a deviationist from the doctrine is discredited (insane, wingnut, bigot, deviationist, Trotskiyte, etc)

NPR Fires Juan Williams over Anti-Muslim Remarks - CBS News

"Soviet authorities attempted to repress these currents and activities by propaganda that discredited dissidents and their claims, ... removal of dissidents from their jobs ..."

The Dissident Movement

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And Juan Williams' life and career were ruined when NPR fired him. Right? He's never been heard of since. Correct? Juan Williams has been effectively silenced. No? No one will ever remember his name as a true 'Mericuhn patriot. He'll simply fade away because of a long list of books you've compiled as proof that what is considered today's political left is exactly the same as Marxism or the historical roots of Socialism.

You're such a sad person. Maybe you'll perq up and be a happy boy again if I post an equally dull list of ultra right conservatives beginning with Cleon Skousen's The Naked Communist?

That Texas drinking water has permanently caused you some brain damage.
 

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Yes, they are something should be done to constrain free speech, and gun possession, two of the basic and fundamental freedoms that marked the American ideals of the nation's founding:

e-mail from the Dem Party, titled "Tone Down the Rhetoric, Toughen Up the Laws"
[FONT=verdana,geneva]"...There is no single response to the awful Tucson massacre.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva]But here are two we can embrace: let's call on elected leaders to (1) tone down the rhetoric and (2) toughen up the laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill...."[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]http://www.democrats.com/tone-down-the-rhetoric-toughen-up-the-laws[/FONT]

Lib Dem Rep. Clyburn (during an NPR interview):

SIEGEL: Beyond self-restraint and self-policing, if you will, would you support, say, a move that would extend the legal bar against threatening the president or the vice president, to any threats made against any member of Congress?
Rep. CLYBURN: Well, I think we reached the point where that may be necessary. And I understand such legislation is going to be introduced. And if it is, I will support it. I may also try to amend it, because I think we might look at whether or not we ought to make it a federal crime to carry a loaded gun within a certain distance of people who are participating in federal elections.



Rep. Clyburn On Political Discourse : NPR


Reminds me of the Obama Truth Squads, whose mission was to silence those who would speak in deviation of the truths handed down by the anointed ones:

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading television ad during the presidential campaign." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]The implied threat in the Channel 4 report is that prosecutors and sheriffs across Missouri will enforce "Missouri ethics laws" and conduct criminal investigations of "anyone who lies or runs a misleading television ad" against Barack Obama. Although the report did not directly state that intent, that implied message was clearly conveyed."[/FONT]

American Thinker Blog: Missouri's Obama Truth Squads (updated Governor's statement)

Likewise, the lib dems would like to use this incident to legislate what may or may not be spoken, all in accord with their doctrine, would be the only permissable speech:




If you're asking who is "the anti-American left", that was a reference to today's leftist liberal wing, the direct ideological desendant of various strains of anti-American Marxist-Leninist rhetoric. Their is no dearth of materials on the history, and analysis of them:

David Shannon, The Socialist Party of America (1955);
Werner Sombert, Why is there no Socialism in the United States? (1976);
David Shannon, The Decline of American Communism (1959);
Kenneth Dolbeare, American Ideologies (1976);
Paul Sweezy and Paul Baran, Monopoly Capital (1966);
W. A. Williams, The Contours of American History (1964);
D.F.Fleming, The Cold War and Its Origins: 1917-1960 (1968);
Gabriel Kolko, Main Currents in Modern American History (1976);
Daniel Yergin, Shattered Peace: The Origins of the Cold War and the National Security State (1977);
Lawrence Wittner, Cold War America (1978);
Paul Jacobs and Saul Landau, The New Radicals (1966);
Jack Newfield, A Prophetic Minority (1966);
James Kunen, The Strawberry Statement (1968);
Ronald Berman, America in the Sixties (1968);
Charles Reich, The Greening of America (1969);
James Weinstein, The Decline of Socialism in America, 1912-1925 (1967);
Christopher Lasch, The Agony of the American Left (1969);
William Fulbright, The Arrogance of Power (1966);
Murray Bookchin, Post Scarcity Anarchism (1971);
C. Wright Millis, The Power Elite (1956); Ronald Taylor, Chavez and the Farm Workers (1975);
Herbert Marcuse, One-Dimensional Man (1968);
Theodore Rozak, The Making of a Counter Culture (1969);
Massimo Teodori, ed., The New Left: A Documentary History (1969); Staughton Lynd, The Intellectual Origins of American Radicalism (1968); Robert L. Allen, Black Awakening in Capitalist America (1974);

In objection to my point, it might be stated that today's libs may not have received the pure doctrinal training, which is true, but if one listens to any of them, almost as if reciting from the same little red book, the same pattern of propositions is repeated in their speech, and the same reliance on neosophism and resort to ad-hominem responses. Marvelous explanations are provided by Alston Chase and Alan Bloom.

The same patterns we saw in the Soviet union we see from the current left.

Compare the firing of NPR's Juan Williams, with the firing of dissidents in the Soviet union -- the pattern in both situations is a deviationist from the doctrine is discredited (insane, wingnut, bigot, deviationist, Trotskiyte, etc)

NPR Fires Juan Williams over Anti-Muslim Remarks - CBS News

"Soviet authorities attempted to repress these currents and activities by propaganda that discredited dissidents and their claims, ... removal of dissidents from their jobs ..."

The Dissident Movement
:eek: Oh. My. Gawd. I thought Joseph McCarthy was long dead.

Seriously, is there any medication approved for your condition?

"....let's call on elected leaders to (1) tone down the rhetoric and (2) toughen up the laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill...."
What I want to know is how can we keep computers out of the hands of the mentally ill?

 
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it was crazy when in happened, i got to school 15 minutes from the store at university of arizona. cops everywhere and there are still news crews at the hospital she is at day and night. the officers that are guarding her room are working for free off duty, now thats how america should always act
 

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Yes, they are something should be done to constrain free speech, and gun possession, two of the basic and fundamental freedoms that marked the American ideals of the nation's founding:

e-mail from the Dem Party, titled "Tone Down the Rhetoric, Toughen Up the Laws"

[FONT=verdana,geneva]"...There is no single response to the awful Tucson massacre.
[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]But here are two we can embrace: let's call on elected leaders to (1) tone down the rhetoric and (2) toughen up the laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill...."[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,geneva]http://www.democrats.com/tone-down-the-rhetoric-toughen-up-the-laws[/FONT]
You cite this message from the Democratic party urging recipients to "[FONT=verdana,geneva]call on elected leaders to (1) tone down the rhetoric and (2) toughen up the laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and[/FONT] the mentally ill" as evidence of their believing (I have to supply a verb here, since your first sentence begins with an unintelligible sequence of words) that "something should be done to constrain free speech, and gun possession, two of the basic and fundamental freedoms that marked the American ideals of the nation's founding."

(1) If calling on legislators to "tone down the rhetoric" (a confused, pointless, and silly request in my view, but never mind that) constitutes trying to get something done to "constrain free speech," then my telling you to stop talking rubbish is constraining free speech; which it is not. Writing to legislators to do X or refrain from doing Y is not constraining them.

(2) You cite the message from the Democratic Party calling on legislators to [FONT=verdana,geneva]"[/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva]toughen up the laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill"[/FONT] as an instance of their seeking to constrain fundamental freedoms. Are we to understand that you hold that criminals and the mentally ill should have free access to guns? If that is not your position then you have no argument. If it is your position, it is a virtual reductio ad absurdum.
Lib Dem Rep. Clyburn (during an NPR interview):

SIEGEL: Beyond self-restraint and self-policing, if you will, would you support, say, a move that would extend the legal bar against threatening the president or the vice president, to any threats made against any member of Congress?
Rep. CLYBURN: Well, I think we reached the point where that may be necessary. And I understand such legislation is going to be introduced. And if it is, I will support it. I may also try to amend it, because I think we might look at whether or not we ought to make it a federal crime to carry a loaded gun within a certain distance of people who are participating in federal elections.



Rep. Clyburn On Political Discourse : NPR
Rep. Clyburn holds that members of Congress should have the same legal protection against people making threats on their lives as the president and vice president. You, apparently, regard this as an illegitimate constraint of our fundamental freedoms. But surely then the legal protection on the president and vice president is the same thing. Again, if this is not your view, your position is inconsistent, while if it is your view, your position is ridiculous.

I have not yet looked into your other claims, but so far you seem to be batting your usual .000.
 

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I have not yet looked into your other claims, but so far you seem to be batting your usual .000.
You mean to tell me you didn't investigate the accusations made in that bastion of unvarnished truth, clear and balanced objective analysis, American Thinker?

[FONT=times new roman,times]"Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading television ad during the presidential campaign." [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]The implied threat in the Channel 4 report is that prosecutors and sheriffs across Missouri will enforce "Missouri ethics laws" and conduct criminal investigations of "anyone who lies or runs a misleading television ad" against Barack Obama. Although the report did not directly state that intent, that implied message was clearly conveyed."[/FONT]

American Thinker Blog: Missouri's Obama Truth Squads (updated Governor's statement)
Clearly Cal, you've been indoctrinated with readings from the "little red book".

. . . today's libs may not have received the pure doctrinal training, which is true, but if one listens to any of them, almost as if reciting from the same little red book, . . .
:chairfall: :lmao: :rofl:
 

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Yeah, but . . . yeah, but . . . yeah, but . . . Brother Glenn has a strong Testimony so it's OK for him to be a bit "peculiar." I hear that he's found the lost golden plates upon which 116 pages of the book of mormon were lost by Martin Harris. Why he doesn't offer them for sale on his FOX show as a hedge investment against the coming world collapse escapes me. It's true. I read all of this in a pamphlet pushed into my hands by a demure female mormon missionary in Parque Recoleta yesterday. Honest Engine.

Oh, and she told me that the world is going to end next week at 4:35 Mountain Standard Time, but we in the Southern Hemisphere wont' have to worry about it because there are giant airplanes waiting to take the faithful to Jackson, Missouri while everything crumbles to nothing. Then we won't be bothered by anyone that has a different opinion of the conservative right. It must be true. She had pamphlets. Really.
 

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Arizona US Representative Gabby Giffords (Democrat, Tucson) was shot, along with several of her staff and members of the public (with probable fatalities), at a shopping mall constituent event today. It's time for Tea Partiers like former Nevada Senate candidate Sharon Angle, who talked about the use of "Second Amendment remedies" during her campaign, to realize that words have consequences--sometimes dire consequences.

very sad indeed.
 

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Wow... did this become 'back page', if any news at all. She'd pass a stool and it was across 20 networks inside of 5 minutes.

3+ weeks in these parts...
 

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Wow... did this become 'back page', if any news at all. She'd pass a stool and it was across 20 networks inside of 5 minutes.

3+ weeks in these parts...

And, of course, the good samaritan like you needed to point that out. Stop frontin'.
A lack of 24 hour coverage on this board on any particular subject doesn't mean that nobody cares anymore and you know it. At least someone of your age should. When it was clear that she was going to make it, most people decided to focus on other stories of interest. Even though most news networks are not focusing on Giffords around the clock anymore, anyone who watches the news is pretty aware of where she is in her recovery.

Of course, if you really that interested with this story and wanted to share more info you could have done that. Instead, you didn't contribute anything at all. Like usual, you revived a dead thread to once again agitate "gay liberals". And considering how you've done it without the obvious buzzwords, you'll get away with it... again.

If you think everyone on this board is so phony then you know where the fuck the door is, fraudking. :rolleyes: