Conservative doublethink on the first amendment

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Why are you tieing the founding fathers into this? isn't that in another forum thread?

You stated, and I quote - I assert that our laws have thier roots in Christianity.

One of the definitions of the word "roots" is - the basic cause, source or origin of something. Putting the two together, one can easily draw the comparison. I mean, if we're looking at the source of all laws, why not start at the very first ones?

Also, I referenced the Founding Fathers to demonstrate (by way of historical dates) how the Pledge of Allegiance was created LONG after those original laws were made. In fact, as StormfrontFL stated the "under God" part wasn't even added to the pledge till the 1950s... during the Cold War as a way to differentiate the U.S. from the concept of communist state atheism.

Everything about the Pledge of Allegiance is religious propaganda. It was created by the church, by a Baptist minister, and even altered to add "under God" to it much later to further imply that our country was a "Christian Nation". It never once was meant to be a foundation for any laws created in this country despite what any devout Christian wants to believe.

Shouldn't we be talking about doublethinking the first amendment?

We could be. Alas, all you've been doing is defending Christianity and your Christian beliefs instead of talking about the subject matter.

Mr. grassroots for president, I say.

I sincerely hope you're not referring to Herman Cain with this statement. Because our country will go down the social crapper if such a religiously bigoted & homophobic man (who hates bills longer than three pages) wins in 2012. But there's a good chance that he won't even make it through this year, so whatever.
 

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Never claimed I was perfect. I only think it's hypocritical to talk about how great it is to return to Christian principles when one has pictures of their cock posted for all to see. Believe what you will, I encourage you to. I have my own beliefs. I believe what Christ said when he said to love God first and my fellow man second. I also believe what is taught that a relationship with God can't and shouldn't be forced on others because if it isn't genuine it is meaningless. My problem is with those who want to make everyone else believe as they do. You once posted about putting prayer and the Bible back in school but if you really believed in freedom of religion you would have to agree that all religions would then have to be taught.

Why should I love God, or anyone else for that matter? Really, WHY?
I don't believe in anything, just myself, don't put you, or your God in my face! I can't even turn on the TV without being inundated on Sunday morning with all the hypocritic, money making, evangebabble, God forsaken charaltans! Keep him and all your fantasy driven, molestatious clergy out of my mind! Don't want it! I want me. Me, me, me and what I believe!!

My cock for all to see, yes, maybe its wrong, ... don't quite know yet. But you, -- don't look at any pics! nope! no ones penis, right?
I just felt a stone fly by.
I'd love to get started on Islam, all the astral religions, Eastern religions, and all the others, and give you all an insight of THEIR roots and true agendas, and see if you would (and we can take a vote), put them in our schools for our children to study their priciples and display their flags. Oh, I almost forgot, lets build their building for them. Maybe right on top of 911's ground zero. Or maybe we should just take a look at all the turmoil, and fighting they do amongst themselves more than they do with anyone else.


Off topic, but reminds me of a movie, The Devils Advocate, maybe it's best for you to agree with Mr. Milton (Al Pacino), it would be very easy! :

John Milton: Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!
John Milton: Freedom, baby... is never having to say you're sorry.
John Milton: Guilt is like a bag of fuckin' bricks. All ya gotta do is set it down.
Kevin Lomax: What about love?
John Milton: Overrated. Biochemically no different than eating large quantities of chocolate.

John Milton: The worst vice is advice.
John Milton: Vanity, definitely my favorite sin.

John Milton: You sharpen the human appetite to the point where it can split atoms with its desire; you build egos the size of cathedrals; fiber-optically connect the world to every eager impulse; grease even the dullest dreams with these dollar-green, gold-plated fantasies, until every human becomes an aspiring emperor, becomes his own God... and where can you go from there?

John Milton: Free will, it is a bitch.

Yes it is, right? Or no? Oh that's right there is no religion, none, only souless, evolved humanoids that walk the earth, equal to that of all the other animals here. Beastiality, why not? no one's watching... lets learn right from wrong from each other. That would be interesting. There is no hope, no soul, no future, time stops at death, period. All life's purpose here is the acquisition of weath, and the enjoyment thereof.
All the 'life after death' testimonies. nah, it's ALL in the brain. All of them. Lets teach our children about their REAL ancestors. Neanderthal man, or was it Peking man? Oh I forgot, it was Lucy, yes, she was our ancestoral missing link. My grandma lucy and grandpa Neanderthal.
How quaint.
 
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OK, I'm done ranting.... Who is your candidate for the next election? Ross Perot, he can run this country like a business. or?... Swarzenegger? Shoot, we can't do that.
How about Hillary? Any more Bush's left?
I can't think of any politicians that aren't snakes.
 

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Why should I love God, or anyone else for that matter? Really, WHY?
I don't believe in anything, just myself, don't put you, or your God in my face! I can't even turn on the TV without being inundated on Sunday morning with all the hypocritic, money making, evangebabble, God forsaken charaltans! Keep him and all your fantasy driven, molestatious clergy out of my mind! Don't want it! I want me. Me, me, me and what I believe!!
Did you forget to take your meds? You post repeatedly about your Christianity and belief that this country should return to Christian principles and then when confronted go the completely opposite way. You are now on my list of losers...and so far anyone I placed on that list ended up banned within a few months. I doubt you'll last that long.

My cock for all to see, yes, maybe its wrong, ... don't quite know yet. But you, -- don't look at any pics! nope! no ones penis, right?
I just felt a stone fly by. Never said it was wrong for you to post your dick pics only that it is hypocritical to claim Christian moral superiority and then post dick pics as well as judge pics of other dicks.
I'd love to get started on Islam, all the astral religions, Eastern religions, and all the others, and give you all an insight of THEIR roots and true agendas, and see if you would (and we can take a vote), put them in our schools for our children to study their priciples and display their flags. Oh, I almost forgot, lets build their building for them. Maybe right on top of 911's ground zero. Or maybe we should just take a look at all the turmoil, and fighting they do amongst themselves more than they do with anyone else.And while we are at it let's look at all the death, torture, and inhumanity that has been done in the name of Christianity.
 

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Yes, precisely. Time for a grassroots revival! Back to the Christian ethics, I don't think it would hurt much, get that old, forgotten doctrine back in this country.

Freedom of religion. Did I say you must submit? The country as a whole needs to not disregard the teachings in our schools.

I assert that our laws have thier roots in Christianity. The teachings of prophecy is a side note to the teachings of Christian ethics.
Unless you are being facetious, yes, it sounds like you think everyone should submit to your christian view.

I don't know you, so I don't know your sense of humor or your usual means of making a point (such as with irony or hyperbole).

If I misunderstood your posts, you have my apologies. So many sects of christianity are evangelism/proselytizing/acquisitional, I'm always on guard. Most of them assume that their 1st amendment guarantee of free exercise entitles them to convert and control me, and to demand that I follow the tenets of their faith. My demand that they stay out of my private life is interpreted as oppression.

I have no problem with anyone of any faith, as long as they don't demand to teach it to my children or demand that I participate in their prayers or folow their customs.

My philosophy is "I'll mind my business, you mind yours." Sadly, many fundamentalist christians sincerely believe that philosophy denies them their 1st amendment rights.

As for our laws having roots in christian ethics, well, that's not entirely correct. Our system evolved from English common law, not christianity. Even so, most laws of any value are based on some universal ethics, many of which just happen to be included in christian ethics... such as "don't murder, don't steal, don't arbitrarily harm others."
 

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Why should I love God, or anyone else for that matter? Really, WHY?
I don't believe in anything, just myself, don't put you, or your God in my face! I can't even turn on the TV without being inundated on Sunday morning with all the hypocritic, money making, evangebabble, God forsaken charaltans! Keep him and all your fantasy driven, molestatious clergy out of my mind! Don't want it! I want me. Me, me, me and what I believe!!
Did you forget to take your meds? You post repeatedly about your Christianity and belief that this country should return to Christian principles and then when confronted go the completely opposite way. You are now on my list of losers...and so far anyone I placed on that list ended up banned within a few months. I doubt you'll last that long.

My cock for all to see, yes, maybe its wrong, ... don't quite know yet. But you, -- don't look at any pics! nope! no ones penis, right?
I just felt a stone fly by. Never said it was wrong for you to post your dick pics only that it is hypocritical to claim Christian moral superiority and then post dick pics as well as judge pics of other dicks.
I'd love to get started on Islam, all the astral religions, Eastern religions, and all the others, and give you all an insight of THEIR roots and true agendas, and see if you would (and we can take a vote), put them in our schools for our children to study their priciples and display their flags. Oh, I almost forgot, lets build their building for them. Maybe right on top of 911's ground zero. Or maybe we should just take a look at all the turmoil, and fighting they do amongst themselves more than they do with anyone else.And while we are at it let's look at all the death, torture, and inhumanity that has been done in the name of Christianity.

Yea, my meds, sure, my lithium tablets are around here somewhere.

I am probably sure I am on your list of 'losers'. Good for me, I feel indulged. Maybe I should put you on my list of 'myoptic incapacitance',
since you don't have the capacity to understand what 'Irony' is and can't see the whole picture outside of your boxed-in views.

There is a higher superiority, and I never claimed I was any better than you, so don't patronize me.

Yes, many wrongs have been done in the 'name' of Christianity, what can I say? It's a perfectly warped world we live in.
 

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Unless you are being facetious, yes, it sounds like you think everyone should submit to your christian view.

I don't know you, so I don't know your sense of humor or your usual means of making a point (such as with irony or hyperbole).

If I misunderstood your posts, you have my apologies. So many sects of christianity are evangelism/proselytizing/acquisitional, I'm always on guard. Most of them assume that their 1st amendment guarantee of free exercise entitles them to convert and control me, and to demand that I follow the tenets of their faith. My demand that they stay out of my private life is interpreted as oppression.

I have no problem with anyone of any faith, as long as they don't demand to teach it to my children or demand that I participate in their prayers or folow their customs.

My philosophy is "I'll mind my business, you mind yours." Sadly, many fundamentalist christians sincerely believe that philosophy denies them their 1st amendment rights.

As for our laws having roots in christian ethics, well, that's not entirely correct. Our system evolved from English common law, not christianity. Even so, most laws of any value are based on some universal ethics, many of which just happen to be included in christian ethics... such as "don't murder, don't steal, don't arbitrarily harm others."


I don't have a problem with this, for the most part. I don't agree 'every faith is ok', and 'everyones truth is ok as long as it's your own' kind of nonsense.

There is only 'one truth', and it's ones duty, in my opinion to research, on their own throughout life and come to their own conclusions. That is if you feel 'athiesm' is ok, then feel free to believe it, Just don't start up the old Christian cliche's against my points. I don't push my religion, but I will argue many points in favor of, sometime clear, sometimes not. You see, Faith itself is really unprovable.

All other religions have 'don't steat, kill, etc., but, you must investigate religious ideas and claims deeply and come to your own conclusion. A festering radical, thinking hes making it to the highest levels of heaven by putting a suicase bomb in a crowded shopping center, should be considered as a very bad belief.
'I'll mind my business and you mind yours' is ok to a point. It this was entirely true in real life we woulnd have need for the secret service or the National Intelligency Agency.
 

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Oh, you think its funny, huh? Pat that boy on the back!

Yes I do think it's funny.
Thedrewbert, as always, makes a great point. You preach about the superiority of Christianity and pride yourself about being a true Christian... with 19 cock shots on an adult website. Ummmmm, you don't find this the least bit humorous (if not ironic or hypocritical)?

I'm seriously laughing my ass off. Sorry if you don't like it.
 

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I don't have a problem with this, for the most part. I don't agree 'every faith is ok', and 'everyones truth is ok as long as it's your own' kind of nonsense.

There is only 'one truth', and it's ones duty, in my opinion to research, on their own throughout life and come to their own conclusions. That is if you feel 'athiesm' is ok, then feel free to believe it, Just don't start up the old Christian cliche's against my points. I don't push my religion, but I will argue many points in favor of, sometime clear, sometimes not. You see, Faith itself is really unprovable.

All other religions have 'don't steat, kill, etc., but, you must investigate religious ideas and claims deeply and come to your own conclusion. A festering radical, thinking hes making it to the highest levels of heaven by putting a suicase bomb in a crowded shopping center, should be considered as a very bad belief.
'I'll mind my business and you mind yours' is ok to a point. It this was entirely true in real life we woulnd have need for the secret service or the National Intelligency Agency.
I've done my research. I've studied.

You implied that you think christian doctrines should be taught in our public schools, and that our laws should be based on christian law. As I see it, that's not taking care of your own business, it's taking care of yours and everone else's. That goes against both the seperation clause and the free exercise clause of the first amendment.

And your analogy of the radical suicide bomber in a crowded public area doesn't hit home. In that case, he too is minding everyone else's business.

Any god that requires his subjects/worshippers to harm another person is a false god. Any god that requires his faithful to subjugate others is a false god. And any theocracy makes no sense whatsoever. If you have to force people by legal means to adhere to a religion, that should be clue number one that the religion has flaws. If it is not completely free will worship, it is worthless.

The schools - and government - should handle the worldly matters. Parents and the church should handle spiritual matters. There is no need for any crossover.