Conservatives and repubs only pls. A silver lining to recession

[B_starinvestor]

No offense to liberals and Dems, but I don't really need to get 'you're a troll' and 'insane' and 'wacko' etc. on this thread. Please pile onto other threads for these thoughtful remarks.

This is targeted to the right.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Conservatives and repubs:

I believe there may be some silver lining in respect to the convergence of an economic recession and the possibility of a Democratically-dominated Congress and White House.

It will be, IMHO, much more difficult to push socialist, tax-rich policies through in a period of economic and financial turmoil. Most constituents, in dire economic times, will be resistent to heavy handed tax policy and liberal spending practices.

If the Dems converged with prosperous economic times, inflicting harmful socialist-type government initiatives would not be met with nearly as much resistance. A thriving stock market and growing economy would be a candy-store mentality for Pelosi and friends in passing harmful and far-reaching anti-business legislation.

Hopefully this offers some encouraging sentiments in light of an otherwise difficult economic predicament.

 

[B_Nick4444]

the one bright spot is that Chinese military spending and development will be slowed

otherwise, Dems " ... inflicting harmful socialist-type government initiatives ... " is very much a frightening possibility (as is the further curtailment of civil liberties in compliance with liberal ideology, as well as the possibilty of Obama doing something liberal & stupid to further undermine American security)

 

[D_Pubert Stabbingpain]

It will be, IMHO, much more difficult to push socialist, tax-rich policies through in a period of economic and financial turmoil. Most constituents, in dire economic times, will be resistent to heavy handed tax policy and liberal spending practices.

This makes no sense. How can it be more difficult when it is **exactly** what just hapened! The biggest socialist, tax-rich policy was just introduced by a Republican administration and passed by both the House and Senate despite the fact that most Americans on *both* sides of the political spectrum were against it. It was pushed through, like most things in the past 8 years, by fear tactics.

If the Dems converged with prosperous economic times, inflicting harmful socialist-type government initiatives would not be met with nearly as much resistance. A thriving stock market and growing economy would be a candy-store mentality for Pelosi and friends in passing harmful and far-reaching anti-business legislation.

Earth to Starinvestor:
The entire world has now embraced this corporate socialist approach with so far, little if any result. The capitalist credit markets are not easing to the point where banks will lend money to either corps or individuals, leaving confidence in the toilet. Instead of going down, market-driven mortgage rates are going up so that is not solving the original crisis. The promise is that "it will take time." Yea, right, until Republicans get out of office and Dems inherit all this mess just like Clinton inherited Reagan's mess.

All the foreclosed mortgage rescue plans do is encourage further foreclosure. People who want to get out will now have a clear way to do it.

Lastly, you have decent, honest, people who have paid their mortgages on time, who knew how to read the disclosures (I had an adjustable ARM loan in the past and the interest rate and baloon disclosures were plain to me! I knew when a sales pitch was being made to me, how to ignore the pitch and get to the facts.) who will now get shafted when their neighbor's foreclosed home gets sold for pennies on the dollar.

 

[ManlyBanisters]

No offense to liberals and Dems, but I don't really need to get 'you're a troll' and 'insane' and 'wacko' etc. on this thread. Please pile onto other threads for these thoughtful remarks.

This is targeted to the right.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Conservatives and repubs:

*snip*

So what you are saying here is you would like a thread of people agreeing with you and not arguing against the use of terms like "inflicting harmful socialist-type government initiatives" and "a candy-store mentality for Pelosi and friends" and "harmful and far-reaching anti-business legislation".

That's about the most pathetic thing I have ever read.

Oh nos!!! I broke the rule of the thread - Is I getting banned now??

 

[B_starinvestor]

So what you are saying here is you would like a thread of people agreeing with you and not arguing against the use of terms like "inflicting harmful socialist-type government initiatives" and "a candy-store mentality for Pelosi and friends" and "harmful and far-reaching anti-business legislation".

That's about the most pathetic thing I have ever read.

Oh nos!!! I broke the rule of the thread - Is I getting banned now??

Not really. Just providing some thoughts that are aimed at conservatives that may offer some encouraging perspectives in a time of turmoil. I'm not really interested in the name-calling and profanity-laced, knee jerk posts from people whom this thread isn't even aimed.

 

[mindseye]

No offense to liberals and Dems, but I don't really need to get 'you're a troll' and 'insane' and 'wacko' etc. on this thread. Please pile onto other threads for these thoughtful remarks.

This is targeted to the right.

Thanks for your cooperation.

"My worldview is completely indefensible, so I'm trying to avoid getting hung out to dry by rational thinkers who see how narrow-minded I am."

Look, if you want a like-minded audience, try freerepublic or redstate.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

No offense to liberals and Dems, but I don't really need to get 'you're a troll' and 'insane' and 'wacko' etc. on this thread. Please pile onto other threads for these thoughtful remarks.

This is targeted to the right.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Conservatives and repubs:

I believe there may be some silver lining in respect to the convergence of an economic recession and the possibility of a Democratically-dominated Congress and White House.

It will be, IMHO, much more difficult to push socialist, tax-rich policies through in a period of economic and financial turmoil. Most constituents, in dire economic times, will be resistent to heavy handed tax policy and liberal spending practices.

If the Dems converged with prosperous economic times, inflicting harmful socialist-type government initiatives would not be met with nearly as much resistance. A thriving stock market and growing economy would be a candy-store mentality for Pelosi and friends in passing harmful and far-reaching anti-business legislation.

Hopefully this offers some encouraging sentiments in light of an otherwise difficult economic predicament.

too late, my friend.
The Republican Bush administration has ALREADY socialized the entire financial system and history shows that hard times make the public DEMAND Government step in and step up social programs to equalize opportunity for the middle and poorer classes.

When folks see that free market theories have caused them to LOSE ground... not only lose what they made during the heyday- but even what they had prior to the heyday... they will abandon free market notions.
For at least 12 years or so.

And why did I post in your thread? Because, I am a TRUE fiscal conservative, who can tell when he is being had by a bunch of thieves POSING as conservatives.
Give me Tax and Spend democrats this time around- because at least they RAISE money to pay for the initiatives they pass. That's fiscal responsibility.

The 'conservatives' have become not only Borrow and Spend republicans... they have become Borrow and Piss Away Trillions For Nothing republicans.

That is NOT fiscal conservatism- its graft on a scale that can topple nations.


When even Greenspan can come around and admit that speculation and greed must be checked thru regulation... then isn't it about time you re-thought the excesses of your belief system?

Read the "Smartest men in the Room" - the inside story of the collapse of Enron - written by CONSERVATIVE financial columnists... and discover just how far thru the looking glass de-regulation took the market.

Enron was buying and selling the IDEA of making a profit- without EVER making any money.
They purposely raped California for electricity by shutting down powerplants to jack up prices...
The real story of Enron is perfect proof of the idiocy of de-regualting markets- especially markets in critical services that consumers can not defer the purchase of.
Its perfect proof of the conspiracy of the price fixing and greed that emerges whenever regulation is stripped away and millions are to be had for unethical conduct.


Seriously... if you are an investor in the market... the story of ENRON should have you SCREAMING for regulation...

 

[curious n str8]

Why is it that the liberal Democrats keep insisting that This is all caused by the Republicans? Just because it happened while Bush was in office doesn't make it so. This was yrs in the makeing and caused by the Dems and Reps alike. If you look at both parties there are very few true Dems and Reps. The most bitching I hear is comming from the Dems and they are refusing to become bipartsian to help fix this mess whats that say about themselfs?

 

[davec94]

i seriously have to wonder what the ratio of people who use the word socialism and actually know what it means is.

 

[1BiGG1]

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Seriously... if you are an investor in the market... the story of ENRON should have you SCREAMING for regulation...

And of course John McCain was trying to regulate Fannie/Freddie long ago but he couldn’t get any help from Phil’s heroes in the Democratic Party yet Phil, with his ever-present lack of critical thinking skills will be the first to tell everybody the housing meltdown is all the Republicans fault.


http://www.lpsg.org/106786-sorry-liberal-apologists-democrats-dirty.html

 

[lucky8]

I agree with star actually, it's going to be very hard for Obama to achieve what he's been campaigning for, and he knows it. There's a reason he wouldn't give specifics as to what programs he wouldn't be able to initiate during the debate...but then again, neither did McCain...

Only time will tell, until then, we should all just stop guessing about what's going to happen, there really is no point to it

 

[jtmony]

You guys are funny. Libs vs Conserv, Dems vs Rep.

Curious, you're right, it's not just the Rep's fault. Greenspan had the courage to admit that. But wasn't McCain a backer of De-regulating the markets also? So whether it's Palin spending $150,000 on her a shopping spree, or John Edwards, Bill Clinton or any politician spending thousands of OUR money, we have to question it.

Americans are spending too much time bitching about "Us vs Them," "Black vs White," while nations like China continues to set a path to over take us as a superpower. For those of you who remember the 80's, think for a moment. We (America) helped Afghanistan defeat the Soviet Union by allowing the Soviets to fight too many fronts and spend over their budget. Eventually, the Soviet currency wasn't worth a dime, and America won the Cold War. Both McCain and Obama plans to spend a lot of our money.
So instead of debating them vs us, ask yourself, how will my life change. On February 5th will the foreclosure rate in America be better than it is today? On June 5th will gas prices be under $2? On Nov 5, 09, will we have resolved the Health care/Social Security problems we face today? And finally, will there be jobs available in America to support our need to live in the homes we've come accustom to?

By the way, Politician 101: Keep them arguing about something other than the hard issues. In order for me to be rich, someone has to be poor. Simple economics. Simply change supply and demand with rich and poor. If you think I'm wrong, take America as a whole. America can't share all of its wealth if we are to remain the globe's only Super Power. Give up our military might, and we're no longer the best military in the world.

So keep arguing about Obama's tax plan or McCain's plan, but before you begin your argument, explain the loop-holes in the current tax laws. Rich people hate losing money. Obama's tax plan jepardizes a rich man's plans. McCain's economic plan will not tax anyone, but will allow all businesses to outsource jobs for cheaper labor. If you work(ed) at a Ford plant, that's a shitty pill to swallow.

Well I've went on long enough...but I pray it provides critical thinking on the forum and a mature debate: Consv or Libr.

 

[Nrets]

This makes no sense. How can it be more difficult when it is **exactly** what just hapened! The biggest socialist, tax-rich policy was just introduced by a Republican administration and passed by both the House and Senate despite the fact that most Americans on *both* sides of the political spectrum were against it. It was pushed through, like most things in the past 8 years, by fear tactics.

I can't find the article...but basically I read a few weeks ago that house and senate were both told that certain interest groups who control this countries economy were basically going to let the DJIA drop 1000 points a day until they passed it.

The commander and chief has ties to these interest groups and it is the reason why he passed acts years ago that would inevitably bypass constitutinal amendments...and yeah, in the past month the third brigade has been authorized to take control on American soil. They were anticipating martial law, if the bailout didn't pass.

But the failing economy isn't Bush's fault. It is everyone's fault. It's because of all our greed.

But Bush...yeah...he is one of the main ones to blame when soldiers round you up at gunpoint and escort you home in the near future or kill your children for speaking up in a classroom or excercisng free speech.

The bailout was a scam of epic proportions so that people who built this pyramid scheme of an economy can cash out safely as the system slowly crumbles from the inside out from a lack of real assets.

By then, their hope is that they will have us all under the control of the military.

The answer...become self sufficient. Know your strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

+1 Nrets. The question has now become not will we have a recession, but will we prevent a depression.

 

[1BiGG1]

I can't find the article....

LOL, I just bet you cannot find that article! Maybe you should look in My Imagination Monthly or Tinfoil Hat Quarterly :wink: That’s the biggest bunch of cockamamie horse shit I have seen in a few days here and make no mistake, you have plenty of competition.

 

[Sklar]

If we are doing honest opinions, here's mine.

The United States is going to go the way that the U.S.S.R. did when the cold war ended. We will collapse our government, not because of a revolution, but because we just can't afford it any longer.

As a gay man, I *GREATLY* resent the fact that the goverment bent me over the table and raped me financially for a bail out that hasn't done a damn thing except get worse. And I didn't even get a thank you. I got a: It's for the greater good. Why does the greater good have to come at MY expense? What good does it do me to play by the rules only to be shafted by Congress?

As someone with common sense, I sit here baffled by the "experts" who, just today, are telling the world that it looks like the market is finally hitting a bottom. Are these the same experts that when oil was at $130 + a barrell that we can expect oil futres to go up to $500 a barrell?? Where are they getting these predictions from and why is no one challenging them on it?

It looks like the U.S.A. is going to be transformed into the U.S.S.A. and half the population doesn't care! In fact, they seem to be embracing it! And some of the conservative radio shows I listen to are saying how good this will be if Sen. Obama gets elected because that will cause the base to become even more solidified for the next election. And that the Liberals will come to regret their vote before the Conservatives will.

That line of thinking is so wrong I don't even know how they can spout it. "Throw up the white flag of defeat! Conservative principles have lost! But it will work out great for us for the next election (we hope)."

I remember in the second debate (the Town Hall) Sen. Obama, when asked a question about the financial crisis told the questionaire: "I know you don't want to see a bunch of finger pointing." You're wrong Sen. Obama, I WANT FINGER POINTING. I want every member of the House and Senate that had their fingers in the pie prosecuted and sent to jail. Not the country club retreat of a jail, but the jails that house murderers and rapists. I want people to pay! I don't want justice, because that's just a farce. I want revenge, pure and simple!

What was even worse, WORSE, was that John McCain didn't even call him on it. In the past two debates, Sen. McCain had several opprotunities to call Sen. Obama out on specifics and failed to do so:

When Tom Brokaw asked about three points (I forget what they were, sorry about that) and what priority they would have in the administration of each candidate, Sen. McCain said they could all be done in the first year if we could Congress to work with the White House on them.

Sen. Obama listed those programs in a priority order. Sen. McCain should have jumped all over him for hypocrasy (sp). When Sen. McCain suspended his campaign to go back to Washington and work on the bail out, Sen. Obama critisized him for doing that and basically said that he could do both (run for President and work on the bill). It was like call me if you need me. If he couldn't see that the worst financial crisis in 78 was a priority, I would have called him on his judgement.

What Sen. McCain said early in the campaign still rings true to me about the Iraq War: Sen. Obama would rather lose the war, to win the Presidency. Here, Sen. Obama would rather win the Presidency than help the country.

There were a few other areas, but to be honest, I've been at work for 14 hours and am a bit brain dead. Sorry if this has been a bit jagged and disjointed.


Thanks for listening,


Sklar
Gay, Jewish, Republican & Veteran

P.S. Starinvestor: It's ok to have rules for a thread, I've done them myself. But to blatantly tell people: No offense to liberals and Dems, but I don't really need to get 'you're a troll' and 'insane' and 'wacko' etc. on this thread. Please pile onto other threads for these thoughtful remarks.

It's wrong. You should be welcoming the discourse that you know is going to come. All you had to do was tell people to be polite with their responses. For the most part, people on here will be polite if you ask them.

 

[B_Monster]

Good, now that all the rep and conservatives are corraled in one place, the way it should be. Now throw away the key.

 

[D_Marazion Analdouche]

Recession = Opportunity

And it will balance out, hopefully it will make people a little smarter with their money and investments.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Good, now that all the rep and conservatives are corraled in one place, the way it should be. Now throw away the key.

Its interesting that you bring this up. I would welcome this with opened arms. Split the country by the Mississippi River. The libs/dems can take any side they want. We will split--the liberals can have one side, the repubs can take the other. The libs can promote their convictions and nationalized healthare, tax policy, welfare benefits...anything you want. The only thing is, you can't draw funds from the the 'evil' side of the Mississippi to fund your programs.

Good luck.

 

[B_Monster]

Not good enough, the rep and consevatives should be in the Mississippi.

Its interesting that you bring this up. I would welcome this with opened arms. Split the country by the Mississippi River. The libs/dems can take any side they want. We will split--the liberals can have one side, the repubs can take the other. The libs can promote their convictions and nationalized healthare, tax policy, welfare benefits...anything you want. The only thing is, you can't draw funds from the the 'evil' side of the Mississippi to fund your programs.

Good luck.