Constitutional reform ends term limits, Chavez may get another shot

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  1. dong20

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    "Venezuelans have voted to lift limits on terms in office for elected officials, allowing President Hugo Chavez to stand for re-election.

    With 94% of votes counted, 54% backed an end to term limits, a National Electoral Council official said.

    Mr Chavez has said he needs to stay in office beyond the end of his current term in 2012 so he can secure what he calls Venezuela's socialist revolution. "

    BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Chavez wins chance of fresh term

    I have not been to Venezuela in years but whenever I read about Chavez, a well known song by Annie Lennox comes to mind, or it might, were I an American. It looks like Obama may need to hold on to those [campaign] secateurs, after all?

    That said, in keeping with LPSG fashion, I wonder how long it will take some here to assert that are in fact both cultivates of the ***** [you know who] horticultural society. After all, promises were given, speeches made and so surely there are ample dots which may be forced to ... 'connect' in a manner that suits a particular agenda, or not.

    Anyway, interesting times ahead. Viva La Revolución ... or something.
     
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    Bizarre it's 2009, and this shit continues.
     
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    my country is not my own anymore, fuck that backwater place
     
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    I'm venezuelan, from maracaibo
     
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    OK, makes more sense now, thanks. :smile:

    I visited Maracaibo once, briefly. I was on the way from Mérida to Santa Marta in Columbia. The GRU bridge was impressive, and Calle Caracobo was interesting but sadly I didn't stay long enough to explore - I had to meet someone.
     
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    Chavez is a friend of the people and an enemy of American corporate wealth. I could care less about the Venezuelan investor class and how they are treated. I think that this is GREAT news despite the extremely robust campaign that was waged against Chavez that included breaking into a mosque, vandalizing it with hate so that people will think that his supporters did it. That stirred up all sorts of anti-Semitic imagery for the Jewish population in Venezuela and may of them left the country.

    It's too bad Hugo set himself up like this... he has been making assbag sort of anti-Semitic statements for years now and has linked Jews to the American evil empire that he opposes with so much vigor.

    Yes, the Jews are connected to the "evil empire" through the worlds of finance and academia, but they can't help it. Jewish folk are probably the world's smartest people and are usually found in those worlds because they are highly intelligent and those worlds require the smartest people to fill those jobs.

    Now do those same Jews oppose Chavez's regime and everything that it stands for? Most likely they do. Chavez's vocal support for Hamas coupled with his new deals with Iran are REALLY pissing off the Jews and he should expect vociferous opposition from Israel and Venezuelan Jews.

    Chavez is a tall and strong opponent of the "Evil Empire" but he runs his mouth too much to be an effective counterbalance to western corporate interests in South America.

    Walk softly and carry a big stick Hugo. Stop all of the verbal antagonizing, it's gotten you nowhere.. and while you are at it, apologize to the Venezuelan Jewish community for all of your past anti-Semitic remarks. It couldn't hurt.
     
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    He has managed to get some really good things done, but the price will probably end up being too high. The man himself is probably mentally ill. His paranoia makes Nixon's seem tame. People ought to be allowed to disagree and engage in lawful dissent without being labeled as "traitors".

    He has managed to lower the poverty rate, which is good. How much he has is a matter of debate since he won't allow anyone to independently verify his claims, and any foreigners who dispute his claims are forced out of the country, sometimes literally at gunpoint. Inflation is very high. Crime has skyrocketed to epidemic proportions (sad to see that Caracas now envies Detroit's crime rate), which led to an opposition lawmaker winning mayoral elections in Caracas, which in turn led to the government stripping the mayor's office of all powers and nationalizing almost all city functions. This leads me to believe that Chavez and his supporters will never recognize a true devastating defeat at the polls if they should ever happen. You can't be a true friend of the people if you refuse to recognize the people's desires as expressed in elections.

    Overall, his most general aims, empowering the impoverished, are admirable, but his methodologies will likely set his country back and lead to political instability and perhaps even a long term insurgency which will likely offset most of the gains he has made, and lead to significant losses in human life, which is a real shame. But the people keep electing him so they will have to deal with the consequences, both good and bad.
     
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    Yeah, he most likely will now win a third term as president. But the Mercosur countries who entertain his fantasy of a "Socialist South America!" aren't so quick to let him off a short leash.

    Chavez has made over-the-top promises of a never-ending supply of cheap gas for Argentina and Paraguay. He's also promised lots of money to help bolster both countries' economies. But he has yet to be able to make good on those promises. As long as oil remains low Venezuela's wealth is not great enough to care for Venezuelans as well as the rest of the southern continent. Lula de Silva, president of Brazil, has an interesting relationship with the Il Deuce-wannabe. Brazil would have no problem taking him out if Chavez becomes a major problem. Argentines see Chavez for what he is, a blow hard who thus far sounds far too similar to the military despots who ran rampant down here in the 70's. Argentina is having a very good time celebrating the 25th anniversary of the restoration of it's Democracy. They keep a friendly dialog open with Chavez, but nothing else. They look at Venezuelans and show a lot of sympathy. Currently, Venezuelans are welcome to apply for residency in Argentina.

    Of the three most unstable South American countries, Bolivia is the one to pay attention to. Evo Morales, a self-avowed Socialist, is slowly working to effect change for the poor and indigenous people of that country. He isn't repealing civil rights, as Chavez is interested in doing, but he is sticking up for the natives of Bolivia who have been exploited since the Spanish and Portuguese did their worst in the 1700's. This has the "white" population nervous. And well they should be. If an altervative electric automobile is to ever become an affordable reality around the world, Bolivia holds one of the magic keys. It has the largest and easiest to mine deposits of lithium used to manufacture batteries than any geographical spot in the world. And they know it. Guess how big the Japanese, Korean, and Chinese delegations have grown in the last five years in Bolivia while the USA has been distracted by "saving" Ford, Chrysler, and GM.

    Then there's that laughable "evil plot" where a Venezuelan (who actually lives in Miami) was stopped a Aeroparc Newberry in down town Buenos Aires when he landed in a small plane and tried to sneak U$S800,000 into Argentina with (according to official US government reports) to help Cristina Kirchner win the Argentine Presidential election. This is very odd, because 1. Cristina had already handily won the election, 2. It was Christina's customs agents that caught the guy and sent him back to the USA, 3. The US government currently has possession of the U$S800,000. And a recent government audit found the Kirchners to be worth well over the equivalent of U$S 5 million bucks that were actually legally accounted for from investments and property holdings. Plus, there's always the Argentine President's salary.

    One thing that can be said of most of South American (with the exception of Chile and Colombia) is that none of the countries see any future aligning themselves with the USA. China is doing a very good job of paying cash for all of the soy beans Argentina can produce (much to the dismay of the traditional cattle rancher). And Argentina is slowly maneuvering its way back to owning all of the national assets sold off by Menem, like the Buenos Aires public water utility which is currently owned and poorly operated by a French consortium. YPF, what was once a wholly owned and nationalized petroleum company, is the next target of the Kirchner government.

    Chavez is the least of the USA's problems when it comes to South and Central America.
     
    #9 midlifebear, Feb 19, 2009
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