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The Uk is just about to face a crisis of collapse of confidence in its covid policy.

Johnson made a speech saying he was introducing a 'moonshot' program to increase testing to millions of tests a day. The reason is so we can rely upon testing to determine whether people have covid, and so decided if they should isolate at home or are able to go to work.

At this moment the news this morning said 'Houston, we have a problem'. The moonshot in question is Apollo 13, which was a near disaster and failed in its objectives, the astronauts lucky to survive.

Right now the testing program cannot cope with demand and so hundreds of children are being sent home from schools because one has a cold. Similarly workers. The cold season is just beginning, probably brought on early by lockdown preventing people catching colds for months. There will be millions of cases like this pretty soon, and even Johnson's dream expansion (which many think is impossible anyway) could not cope.

Testing has been a huge problem in this epidemic. it has been relied upon but is not reliable. We would have been better off if it had been kept much smaller from the very start. Massive waste of money too.

In Sweden they had a simple policy that anyone with symptoms would stay home. Might not be covid, but stay home. Everyone else go to work. It was simple, needed no testing at all, and it worked. Practically it works too because people who are asymptomatic dont spread much anyway. It has always been a huge mistake to try to eradicate covid.
 

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like cunning/deceitful mask deniers
humanities supposed foolishness re not keeping clean is not going to help there striving for immunity huh
incredible some feel multiple deaths are a/the key

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thoughts/beliefs/actions, still exist in pongoland huh
embarrassed to the core for entire humanity

Kiwis/NZ,are getting on with life as best we can,minimal deaths,recession hit,but thats expected/ cool,pull finger/tighten belts,least of any worry
 

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Far fewer people are dying from the disease.
Wedont realy know that. We have some idea cases may be increasing now, but we have little idea how many cases there were back in March. At least, the official case numbers dont tell us. Kings college phone app survey suggests there might have been 20 milion cases last spring. But huge uncertainty. Government figures were more like 1/100 of that based on testing. But there was hardly any testing.

So basically if we dont know how many fewer cases there are now, we cant tell if the fewer number of deaths is proportionately lower than it was, or simply in proportion.

Thus far the current spike is far far lower than that in March. It may never get a very big peak, if we have developed enough immunity.

Have a loo at this page. Sweden spared European surge as coronavirus infections stay low

Theres an interesting chart of cases in different countries. Did Sweden have a little spike just as other countries started a much bigger rise, but Sweden's peaked and died out? Will the others do the same?
 

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I really wish I'd encounter idiots like this even though I'd be tempted if they told me to take off my mask to say "Sure, here you go" and then proceed to cough in their face. Not surprising how most of them are of the young super-spreader demographic that is both selfish and thinks themselves immortal.

 
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ever considered you/we
naaaah rather THEM,were waiting for something
wonder what LIES and BULLSHIT will be attached when/if,it does arrive

key
date,it miraculously cons everyone/many
 

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its quite right Elizabeth
Jim Reeves was an excellent singer. I featured one of his hit songs here:

Top songs of the 60's!!

pleased you acknowledge
re JR

gentle/cool/sweet,in these times
few say anything,so
why not contribute huh

i agree
esp love/unrelated but ....


 
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Not surprising how most of them are of the young super-spreader demographic that is both selfish and thinks themselves immortal.
Personally I am of the 60 something generation and so are my friends who agree that control measures in the Uk are becoming the problem, not the solution.

You might like to look up the results being producd by the Kings college phone app in the uK, which was 4 million people reporting if they are well. In the initial peak cases were pretty uniform across the country. Some indication it spread later to the north than the south and lasted longer there, but generally the pattern was pretty uniform.

The results now are very different. There is a gradient across the UK from lowest cases in the south to highest in the north. The best outcomes are in the SW, but all along the south coast south of London, though the effect extends further north.

The virus began in the south and arguably peaked in London before confinement to homes began. It hung on in the north despite lockdown. This argues there were other reasons why it declined faster in ths south, and the obvious one is that it had already peaked and immunity was preventing further spread.

The pattern of disease now also suggests the south has achieved significant levels of immunity sufficient to suppress the disease.

It makes no sense to impose added restriction, as government is arguing for right now, in places where the disease has already been beaten.

Sweden followed a policy of only applying controls which people could live with. they allowed spread and the number od cases has now fallen naturally as immunity has been achieved. They had fewer deaths, it cost less, there were less restrictions on everyone, and now they have immunity so it will die out naturally. The Uk has failed on all those scores by trying to suppress the virus.
 

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Second wave? Really? It's the same damn wave because this virus is going to spread in the population forever.
Second waves happen because the first wave is interrupted, for example by lockdown. Release lockdown and the epidemic just resumes where it left off.

Lockdown is not a solution but a recipe for bankruptcy.
 

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Second waves happen because the first wave is interrupted, for example by lockdown. Release lockdown and the epidemic just resumes where it left off.

Lockdown is not a solution but a recipe for bankruptcy.

Since when has the UK needed a virus to wake up to the fact it has nothing of value the rest of the world needs to survive?

You are right, life goes on.

This is the 20th year in this century. The UK ...just....just pulled through a World War with the help of it's allies.

100 years later...it will be much the same story. Stop your bloody whinging. If all your regard for humanity is placed solely on a financial scale........then you tell me why we sent our young men all the way over there to die on foreign soil for people like yourself. Yeah...because it was all about the money.
 
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Second wave? Really? It's the same damn wave because this virus is going to spread in the population forever.

dead right
humans penchant to make everything appear to be far more dramatized than it ever is
we have a bloody bad habit of some smart arse opening his mouth about anything he thinks is right and its all on,follow the leader like simpleton beings,no minds of our own
probably why we constantly get in the shit,and get no where
c....s even mentioning a 3rd wave FFS

Second wave? Really? It's the same damn wave