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Since when has the UK needed a virus to wake up to the fact it has nothing of value the rest of the world needs to survive?

You are right, life goes on.

This is the 20th year in this century. The UK ...just....just pulled through a World War with the help of it's allies.

100 years later...it will be much the same story. Stop your bloody whinging. If all your regard for humanity is placed solely on a financial scale........then you tell me why we sent our young men all the way over there to die on foreign soil for people like yourself. Yeah...because it was all about the money.


was,trying to refrain from other countries handling/mishandling,of CV
however your god knows ive ridiculed Aus so much elsewhere,sooooooo

so correct 70sd
the UK IS FUCKED currently,likely since it was/has been forced to give up its money/land grabbing past
no more superpower shit now
easily surpassed by China/Russia

evident by its politicians,and others floundering ,like wet fish out of water
will need the USA to back it in wars again now,dont believe our countries would bother

Since when has the UK needed a virus to wake up to the fact it has nothing of value the rest of the world needs to survive?
 

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Wedont realy know that. We have some idea cases may be increasing now, but we have little idea how many cases there were back in March. At least, the official case numbers dont tell us. ..., but Sweden's peaked and died out? Will the others do the same?

Or are you simply distorting the facts to fit your narrative? Tune in next time for more one-sided "science"!
 
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This wont make me popular im sure but i dont tend to listen to media i tend to use logic and look around at what is actually happening and im not seeing pandemic. Example how many supermarkets are their with how many customers and staff going in and out touching and breathing on everything day in day out the whole time yet not 1 supermarket has been closed due to outbreak not a single one. Also 6 month down the road and i still dont know a single person thats had it let alone died and nore does anyone i know. Im not saying its not there and it dont exist or kill im just saying it definitely isnt a pandemic. Sweden played this right the rest of the world has got it very wrong.
 

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The one woman in the video: "I don't believe in numbers".

A third of the U.S. in 2020 think that just because some people say 1+1=2; while others say it doesn't...who's to say which is the correct answer?

The ghosts of our ancestors from 1918 are likely laughing their asses off at us now.

 
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The ghosts of our ancestors from 1918 are likely laughing their asses off at us now.
There cant be anyone left alive who remembers the 1918 flu. If there was they would be wondering what the fuss is now.

Though because of the war flu deaths were hushed up by the warring nations for fear of admitting a weakness what with losing more soldiers to flu than to the enemy.

How many soldiers have died from Covid?



Kings phone app reported falling cases for four days, though went up again on the last available report yesterday. Which overall was still a bit odd when the UK gvrnment is in full panic mode. The south of england is plainly having fewer caes than the north, which pretty obviously show the south has more built up immunity from the spring than the north does. But this also means we do have immunity which is impacting the virus right now.

Sweden got it right. The problem now is how politicians can do a U turn after insisting on lockdown.

Oh, biggest rise in cases in last fortnight according to kings seems to be 10-20 year olds, so secondary schools going back.
 

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the numbers game,humanity sunk to that huh,
rule of 6.... 666 ....
alert level 4 a few days later
NZ alert level 1,means nothing
absolutely nothing
just sayin

ignoring the fact,that ive spent several years politically ridiculing two countries in particular,for there calculated/evil warmongering ways

and
forgetting all the pseudo religious explanations,fuck it
get that into ya
world divided alright


 

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fyi
stumbled on
amongst other things in todays interfering investigative nosiness ha
re singer Van Morrison

absolutely love the man and his music,from the outset
have my own views on CV,and certainly have no intention of decrying him for his current stance

makes me wonder if i should afford similar courtesy to others like minded
anyway collectively to all citizens USA/UK/WW best of everything in these times

Morrison has been heavily criticised for his objection to measures to counter the COVID-19 pandemic. His stance has been described as "dangerous".[17]

Coronavirus controversy
During the COVID-19 pandemic, Morrison was against social distancing as quoted, “Come forward, stand up, fight the pseudo-science and speak up.” [210] Continuing with this narrative, Morrison released three new songs in September 2020, which had messages of protest against the COVID-19 lockdowns in the UK. Morrison accused the UK government of "taking our freedom".[211] He had performed socially-distanced concerts previously, but said that the shows were not a sign of "compliance".[212] He has been called a "covidiot",[213] and there have been calls in Belfast for Belfast City Council to revoke his Freedom of the City honour following the intervention: city councillor Emmet McDonough-Brown said that his lyrics were "undermining the guidance in place to protect lives and are ignorant of established science as we grapple with Covid-19."[214]

celtic solace

healing has begun
Van said


 

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In the Uk there are two main soruces of information about cases. The King's college phone app, and the results of government antigen PCR testing.

4 million people are now reporting to the app whether they are feeling ill. They then get asked questions and some sent testing kits to determine the statistical number with covid. This has been gong on since march on much the same basis, so it forms a robust basis t see how cases have gone up or down since then. At peak they estimated 2 million cases at the same time with symptoms aged 20-70.

PCR testing on the other hand has been done on a changing basis almost weekly. The numbers of tests have gone up (do twice as many teast and you wil likely find twice as many cases), who is being tested and where they are being tested keep changing. Test people with symptoms, you get more positive results (duh!), test people with no symptoms and you can find asymptomatic cases who dont know they have it. But you cannot compare eg this week with march, because the numbers of tests then were ridiculously small. Right now government is reporting nearly as many cases now as then, whereas in reality the peak was maybe x100 bigger than the number of cases now. Its bonkers that the government claims they are similar.

This weekend government advisors whitty and vallance went on tv and claimed an epidemic was about to take place again, citing fast rising numbers of cases.

Problem is, there are no fast rising cases.

The case data from both kings and the government website lginform is consistent and basically says there is no pattern of doubling of cases in a uniform time as the advisors claim. Looking at lginform at COVID-19 Case Tracker | LG Inform

This has about 2 months of daily case numbers data. Cases go from about 500 on 11 jul to 3000 on 15 sept. Thats about 8 weeks and 2.5 doubles.

But there is absolutely no uniform patttern to this growth. On 30/8 it was on 1000, so thats doubling once in about 7 weeks to then. Then it jumps from 1000 to 2500 in three days! Then it goes from 2500 to 35000 in 2 weeks, so doubling about once in 5 weeks.

Just what sort of bonkers epidemic does that? None.

The only conclusion I can see is that this is simply not measuring natural epidemic growth. Whatever it is, is being controlled by man made processes.

Looking at the latest weekly government update at https://assets.publishing.service.g...COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_38_FINAL.pdf
there is a plot of testing positivity. At about 30/8, between weeks 35 and 36, reported positivity of pillar 2 tests doubled. And gee…at that moment in time reported cases doubled!

So how does the number of tests getting a positive result suddenly double in three days out of eight week?. Hasnt done it before or since, its a one-off. What sort of epidemic does that? In three days the number of people with it doubles, and then it stops changing.

What most likely happened? Perhaps a change of testing policy which redirected testing to somewhere with twice as many positive cases?

Without that sudden change in positivity there is a slow increase in total cases, which is likely approximately in line with increasing numbers of tests. Because as I said, just increasing the number of tests increases the number of (official) cases. Magic. So magic, why dont we just stop testing and then there wouldnt be any cases at all? Thats just as sensible as claiming a rise because you did more testing.

So there was a sleight of hand causing postivity to double, and a steady increase in testing…and thats all which has happened to otherwise flat case numbers in the last two months.

Minister was on TV a few days ago telling people with no symptoms they must not be tested. What would that do? It would boost the positivity rate by having fewer tests likely to be negative. But thats just manipulating the testing system to get the result you want.


Just what is happening here? Why is the government claiming there is a new epidemic when there is no evidence to support one?
 
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In the Uk there are two main soruces of information about cases. The King's college phone app, and the results of government antigen PCR testing.

4 million people are now reporting to the app whether they are feeling ill. They then get asked questions and some sent testing kits to determine the statistical number with covid. This has been gong on since march on much the same basis, so it forms a robust basis t see how cases have gone up or down since then. At peak they estimated 2 million cases at the same time with symptoms aged 20-70.

PCR testing on the other hand has been done on a changing basis almost weekly. The numbers of tests have gone up (do twice as many teast and you wil likely find twice as many cases), who is being tested and where they are being tested keep changing. Test people with symptoms, you get more positive results (duh!), test people with no symptoms and you can find asymptomatic cases who dont know they have it. But you cannot compare eg this week with march, because the numbers of tests then were ridiculously small. Right now government is reporting nearly as many cases now as then, whereas in reality the peak was maybe x100 bigger than the number of cases now. Its bonkers that the government claims they are similar.

This weekend government advisors whitty and vallance went on tv and claimed an epidemic was about to take place again, citing fast rising numbers of cases.

Problem is, there are no fast rising cases.

The case data from both kings and the government website lginform is consistent and basically says there is no pattern of doubling of cases in a uniform time as the advisors claim. Looking at lginform at COVID-19 Case Tracker | LG Inform

This has about 2 months of daily case numbers data. Cases go from about 500 on 11 jul to 3000 on 15 sept. Thats about 8 weeks and 2.5 doubles.

But there is absolutely no uniform patttern to this growth. On 30/8 it was on 1000, so thats doubling once in about 7 weeks to then. Then it jumps from 1000 to 2500 in three days! Then it goes from 2500 to 35000 in 2 weeks, so doubling about once in 5 weeks.

Just what sort of bonkers epidemic does that? None.

The only conclusion I can see is that this is simply not measuring natural epidemic growth. Whatever it is, is being controlled by man made processes.

Looking at the latest weekly government update at https://assets.publishing.service.g...COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_38_FINAL.pdf
there is a plot of testing positivity. At about 30/8, between weeks 35 and 36, reported positivity of pillar 2 tests doubled. And gee…at that moment in time reported cases doubled!

So how does the number of tests getting a positive result suddenly double in three days out of eight week?. Hasnt done it before or since, its a one-off. What sort of epidemic does that? In three days the number of people with it doubles, and then it stops changing.

What most likely happened? Perhaps a change of testing policy which redirected testing to somewhere with twice as many positive cases?

Without that sudden change in positivity there is a slow increase in total cases, which is likely approximately in line with increasing numbers of tests. Because as I said, just increasing the number of tests increases the number of (official) cases. Magic. So magic, why dont we just stop testing and then there wouldnt be any cases at all? Thats just as sensible as claiming a rise because you did more testing.

So there was a sleight of hand causing postivity to double, and a steady increase in testing…and thats all which has happened to otherwise flat case numbers in the last two months.

Minister was on TV a few days ago telling people with no symptoms they must not be tested. What would that do? It would boost the positivity rate by having fewer tests likely to be negative. But thats just manipulating the testing system to get the result you want.


Just what is happening here? Why is the government claiming there is a new epidemic when there is no evidence to support one?
Alternatively, peddling disinformation like this results in people ignoring safety advice and spreading infection.

I'm no fan of the government but sitting at home obsessively Googling conspiracy rubbish and weaving it into a pack of shite for public consumption on websites like this is not on.
 

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DuhSantis strikes again.

All the precautions and policies that got Florida back under 2000 cases a day *we're still in the high 1700-1800 cases a day* he just tossed em out the window. Bars and restaurants back at 100% capacity. Fully in Phase 3.

*head desk*
Florida: oh, the thing is working!
Also Florida: lets stop doing the thing!

*checks app* fall is coming. Flu season is nigh! Do these idjits watch anything other than Fox News and NASCAR?
 

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DuhSantis strikes again.

All the precautions and policies that got Florida back under 2000 cases a day *we're still in the high 1700-1800 cases a day* he just tossed em out the window. Bars and restaurants back at 100% capacity. Fully in Phase 3.

*head desk*
Florida: oh, the thing is working!
Also Florida: lets stop doing the thing!
Looks like you're going to be the petri dish for the policy of, "Ahh... It'll probably be fine, I'm pretty sure this virus thing is overrated anyway. Well that's what I heard?"

I'm just pleased the UK government is finally getting its act together and recruiting for new Covid Wardens...

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DuhSantis strikes again.

All the precautions and policies that got Florida back under 2000 cases a day *we're still in the high 1700-1800 cases a day* he just tossed em out the window. Bars and restaurants back at 100% capacity. Fully in Phase 3.

*head desk*
Florida: oh, the thing is working!
Also Florida: lets stop doing the thing!

*checks app* fall is coming. Flu season is nigh! Do these idjits watch anything other than Fox News and NASCAR?

Don't forgot also encouraging superspreading by protecting irresponsible college kids who are just exercising their tuition paid right to party-hardy. But Sycophantic Ron has more pressing priorities like mirroring Trump's "Law and order" mantra. Why help residents by protecting them from Covid or fixing unemployment when he can just let them get out their stress by legally running over protesters just because?
 
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Self-correcting: Florida clocked 2,800 new cases today. I guess when around 14,000 a day were testing positive the current situation seems like an improvement.

DuhSantis is also considering special legislation for 2021's Super Bowl. Smurfie Idjit fuck!!

Honestly, Republicans are the worst fucking people. Still being willing to align themselves with Trump/Republicans after the last four years should be added to the DSM-5.

This is fucking insane.
 
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Good news stories from around the globe
Humans are pretty amazing creatures. We're adaptable, innovative and creative. Vietnamese researcher Ba-Linh Tran found with dragonfruit, YouTube and free masks, innovators have helped Vietnam fight back.

Read the good news stories here
 

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The media have started to notice that there is a discrepancy in the size of the curent rise in cases across the UK north to south. Is there a North-South infection divide in England?

Cases have risen in many places, but this is not uniform There is a clear pattern that the epidemic is milder in the south than the north. Reporting is usually done on a regional basis, eg SW England, SE, NW, London, etc. These are quite big areas and a close look inside them reveals localised hot spots while many parts are not seeing rises. However, averaging over regions the south still has much lower cases than the north.

The BBC article above describes this trend and suggests possible reasons, but to my mind it totally misses the most obvious. In the UK the initial panic about covid happened in London. Its hopitals started filing up and running out of space. This never exceded capacity, but it was where the scare was greatest. After lockdown cases in the south fell more rapidly. In the north a rise continued after lockdown and the peak in cases came later despite the lockdown.

The obvious conclusion -which the BBC do not mention - is that the south has attained a lot more immunity than the north. The epidemic started here so there were more cases before lockdown. It has been reported that cases leading to deaths had already peaked before lockdown happened.

It seems likely therefore that when lockdown was called, the south was already experiencing a fall in cases because of the immunity already achieved. Now measures have been released, we are retuning to the situation before it happened. The north will therefore now rise faster and to a greater peak than the south.

Whether this will be a severe peak or small one remains to be seen, that depends how much immunity has been achieved both in north and south.

However it does mean that the difference in cases between N and S meant a significant difference in immunty now. The perceptions was that this wasnt a huge amount, but it was enough to now be shutting down covid in the south. We very nearly beat covid last spring, but instead we went into lockdown for months.

There are a few places around the country with very low case numbers. Covid started to reach Europe last november. A likely course therefore is it began here in the south last winter in those spots with very low recorded case now (because they had it before anyone was recording). Everywhere in the world, it is most severe in cities, presumably because people are closer together and there are more oportunities for spread. So it began in the southern regions, grew steadily but too slowly to create alarm because of few hospital cases. There was a second wave of infections from Europe around Feb, probably from local hotspots there which had also been infected early. Then it hit London, where it spread faster and grew to the peak we saw. At which point government panicked, even though it had actually probably peaked naturally.
 

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dang me
the theory of many deaths equals quicker immunity,blown out of the water re north/south
very unfair, missed opportunities

the ultimate replay huh

the reliance is on theory not fact,as close as some/one can get to it... duh