Coronavirus (flu By Any Other Name)...

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Firstly, let me apologise for not putting a comment on the current Coronavirus Thread. I felt I had to present my comment as a new thread. I am not a Doctor or a Nurse, neither am I a Politician or (unfortunately) a successful Businessman.
Being a Conspiracy Theorist by nature. With each passing day, Coronavirus takes up virtually all available news spots.
Is it wrong to say, the medical establishment cannot discern Coronavirus from any other Flu strain?. If this is so, Coronavirus is just that, regular Flu.
I look beyond what is stated, told or instructed. With Coronavirus and it's immediate and (presently) growing stranglehold on Life as we know it. I can see a Great Lie. A Lie that creates Hysteria and Paranoia among the World's ordinary Public at large.
Whoever started/created the great fear which is Coronavirus. Looks to have decimated Life. From self isolation, working from home (if you are that privileged), to not socialising. There is also a knock-on effect for High Street Business, and Business in general. Depending on how long this ever-increasing 'shut-down'/lockdown continues. The only Business that will survive, will be the On-Line Corporations, (surprise surprise).
There is a Sci-Fi film starring Bruce Willis. Later in the story we discover that the life he is leading, is a virtual one. In the end the Bruce Willis character leaves the comfort of his pod and ventures out into the street.
Last Sunday I had to leave work as I had Coronavirus, (Fuck that), I have all the symptoms of the Flu!. Flu in all it's strains, if you want to break it down. I think I am right to say on a Worldwide basis Flu is the biggest viral Killer. If you contract Coronavirus like symptoms please don't panic, As long as you are not one of those in 'vulnerable' category, you should be fine.

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The only way to tell the difference between flu and covid is to get tested for covid. If you have flu symptoms go get tested.

I caught a cold four weeks ago which cleared two weeks ago. No need to panic.

Frustration is normal. We have not yet worked out the mortality, morbidity or epidemiology of this virus. It's no reason to embrace conspiracy theories.

We will work out this disease but it's going to take time. At some future point we will look back and learn whether we took it too seriously, not seriously enough, just right or some combination of these. It requires living with the unknown until then.

I agree that the panic is unnecessary. It reminds me of how some people here in the US wrapped their houses in plastic in fear of biological/chemical attack after 9/11.
 

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The Thing that has Long perplexed me about Conspiracy Theories is that on the Surface they seem to be rooted in Skepticism, and yet, even if this Skepticism be warranted, they lack any Superior epistemic Grounding. What Reason do you really have to favor Notions such as this Virus being manufactured? And what makes you Think that you are so Qualified as to Know better than just about anyone Else? What Expertise do you have that Supports your Perception that you are so Qualified? Is it not Possible that you favor such Conspiracy Theories because it is what you Want to Believe? Perhaps it is merely what most readily Feeds into your Biases. If I am right about the favoring of Conspiracy Theories being a crude and misguided Expression of a tendency towards Skepticism of the Status Quo, the fulfillment of the Essence of this Skepticism would not be readily buying into opposing Theories, but taking a Critical Eye to all strongly assertive Truth Claims, of which Conspiracy Theories generally are a Type.
 

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Firstly, let me apologise for not putting a comment on the current Coronavirus Thread. I felt I had to present my comment as a new thread. I am not a Doctor or a Nurse,


J.
Then don't give mwdical advice.
 

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I’m glad you’ve categorized COVID-19 as just “regular flu”. You’ve saved the world’s top specialists a lot of time.

I mean, Jesus Fucking Christ.

if you have zero knowledge or education on a subject why the fuck are you presenting your random musings as “theories”?

What, you think most of the governments on earth are conspiring to intentionally misrepresent the dangers of COVID19....for what purpose? They’re tanking their economies.... why? To harass Trump?

All the statistics, all the testimony from the affected, all the photographic/video evidence of the conditions in places like Italy are what? Media lies? Really?

And the entire medical community of the entire planet is lying?

How the living fuck does anything you’re saying make sense?

I mean, seriously, are people like you spouting this nonsense as part of some sort of denial coping mechanism or what?
 

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CV is completely different than the flu. And every flu strain is different than other flu strains.

CV is dangerous because no one has antibodies vs it. Once it has circled the earth, it will be a nuisance to most and a danger to few, until it mutates, which it will, then it will be dangerous again.
 

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CV is completely different than the flu. And every flu strain is different than other flu strains.

CV is dangerous because no one has antibodies vs it. Once it has circled the earth, it will be a nuisance to most and a danger to few, until it mutates, which it will, then it will be dangerous again.
I didn't realize that you had the Medical education to make such a post...
 
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The only way to tell the difference between flu and covid is to get tested for covid. If you have flu symptoms go get tested.


Are you certain?

“If you can’t hold your breath for 10 seconds. Everyone should do that. Hold your breath for 10 seconds. If you can hold your breath for 10 seconds then you don’t have this disease,” Rivera said.

Fox & Friends Churns Out Misinformation on Coronavirus
 

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CV is dangerous because no one has antibodies vs it. Once it has circled the earth, it will be a nuisance to most and a danger to few, until it mutates, which it will, then it will be dangerous again.

I would add that the very nature of the Acquired Immune System is specifically built around dealing with unknown viruses.

The fact that anyone can read what I am typing means that their immune system has countless times over saved their lives by developing the necessary antigen response to various adaptations and mutations of unknown viruses.

Everything that I know about the human immune system tells me that it is a fascinating, hyper-intelligent... almost Bayesian computer in it's ability to respond to unknown threats based on an immunological memory. Once the protein structures have been analyzed... the immune system roars into production our very own natural vaccination process.

Our immune systems will step up to this Coronavirus variant just like they have stepped up all of our lives.

The more the virus passes from human to human..., the less deadly it becomes. The virus is intelligent as well... it learns how to co-exist with the host over time through it's own adaptation response. Covid-19 was at it's most deadly state to humans right as it mutated from it's animal origins and started human to human transmission.

Humans will beat this. It might not look pretty, but we will win.
 

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"Once it has circled the earth, it will be a nuisance to most and a danger to few, until it mutates, which it will, then it will be dangerous again."

CV is a RNA virus, as is the influenza virus. There are two basic viral models, viruses coded with stable DNA, and viruses coded with RNA. RNA is an unstable molecule that is easily disrupted. All a mutation means is that the underlying molecule gets changed enough that the host organism no longer recognizes that molecule.
 

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CV is a RNA virus, as is the influenza virus. There are two basic viral models, viruses coded with stable DNA, and viruses coded with RNA. RNA is an unstable molecule that is easily disrupted. All a mutation means is that the underlying molecule gets changed enough that the host organism no longer recognizes that molecule.
Once it mutates it once again becomes pathogenic and is no longer simply a nuisance. It is not simply the flu. @20% of people who contact coronavirus are sick enough to need hospitalization. My fear is we will stop the current outbreak as a result of aggressive social distancing. But, when we try to return to normal, the coronavirus will re-appear. Medicine is very bad a treating viral illnesses. We keep most serious viral illnesses in check with vaccines. In order to remain healthy, some of us may have to maintain social distancing until an effective vaccine is widely available. That's a scary thought.
 
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The virus is intelligent as well... it learns how to co-exist with the host over time through it's own adaptation response.

This isn’t accurate. A virus isn’t intelligent. Think of it as a Lego structure made up of about 100 lego blocks. It gets into a susceptible cell and forces that cell to make 100s of identical lego structures, all exactly the same, until the host cell explodes and dies. The host however makes antibodies to fight off THAT lego structure and over time walls off that exact molecule. However over time, since this lego block is being replicated by the trillions, in animals and humans, some lego blocks get put together a little different, we call that a “mutation.” Most mutations still look enough like the original to be defended by antibodies. But if the shift is different enough, the host cannot recognize it to fight it off.
 

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Once it mutates it once again becomes pathogenic and is no longer simply a nuisance. It is not simply the flu. @20% of people who contact coronavirus are sick enough to need hospitalization. My fear is we will stop the current outbreak as a result of aggressive social distancing. But, when we try to return to normal, the coronavirus will re-appear. Medicine is very bad a treating viral illnesses. We keep most serious viral illnesses in check with vaccines. In order to remain healthy, some of us may have to maintain social distancing until an effective vaccine is widely available. That's a scary thought.

Nothing I wrote contradicts that. You are absolutely right.
 

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The more the virus passes from human to human..., the less deadly it becomes. The virus is intelligent as well... i

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Not true. Did smallpox become less deadly? Did polio become less pathogenic?