Coronavirus

[Jjz1109]

"Our politicians may or may not be making the right decisions and the scientific evidence may or may not be correct." Where in life is everyone making the correct decision? You make the best decision at the moment with the available data and the available resources.

Can we hold you to this?

Deblasio said this morning “We’re in this only a few weeks. We’ve come an amazing distance.”

 

[deleted15807]

And again, politicizing this. You make it sound as though you wish there were the projected 100-200k deaths in the US. Drat. Wish there were more?

You're hilarious Jjz. Always attempting to put words in someone's mouth to suit an agenda. Speaking of which you apparently decided to only wade into this thread after Trump could no longer call it a hoax then called his mea culpa press conference "impressive". Riiiight. I'm sure in Foxy News land it was very impressive no where else. Meanwhile the month he spent denying it, mocking it, calling it a hoax critical time was lost that could have saved lives and even the economy but all that's down the memory hole right?

Moving on.

Trump wants to lift lockdowns. Other countries’ attempts show why the U.S. isn’t ready.​

 

[Industrialsize]

Spot on. Let’s see how Sweden’s experiment plays out. In the meantime, the politicizing is a tremendous distraction taking away from the attention needed to address the virus.

So to you ANY criticism of the Trump administration's response to the COVID pandemic is considered "politicizing the issue" to you. Got. It. (You're going to hear a lot of politicization of the Covid outbreak in the USA) We must not criticize the dear leader.

 

[deleted15807]

So to you ANY criticism of the Trump administration's response to the COVID pandemic is considered "politicizing the issue" to you. Got. It. (You're going to hear a lot of politicization of the Covid outbreak in the USA) We must not criticize the dear leader.

Unless it's something a democrat says for instance Deblasio.

 

[Jjz1109]

You're hilarious Jjz. Always attempting to put words in someone's mouth to suit an agenda. Speaking of which you apparently decided to only wade into this thread after Trump could no longer call it a hoax then called his mea culpa press conference "impressive". Riiiight. I'm sure in Foxy News land it was very impressive no where else. Meanwhile the month he spent denying it, mocking it, calling it a hoax critical time was lost that could have saved lives and even the economy but all that's down the memory hole right?

Moving on.

Trump wants to lift lockdowns. Other countries’ attempts show why the U.S. isn’t ready.​

No one is putting words into your mouth. You posted it.

And as far as suiting an agenda. . . you assume because I have a different ideology to this pandemic, I am a Fox News, Trump supporter. Show me where I’ve referenced Fox, or posted Fox News links, or stated support for Trump. Show me. While it’s fine for you to post links to slate, mother jones, salon, rawstory and other left leaning sites. That’s ok. Lol. You believe because someone takes a different approach to this pandemic, and don’t blame trump for every single issue, that I must be a supporter. That shows YOUR agenda, and that this is less about solutions and more about politicizing, as I have been maintaining all along. This thread is not about the Coronavirus. Everyone on this site gets it. As one member posted yesterday, the point is not missed. I, like some members from abroad (whose leaders BTW are making decisions that may come back to haunt them), are taking a more objective view rather than wallowing and complaining. That’s your prerogative since you all possess blinding hatred for trump. But it skews your objectivity, and makes your bleeding heart messaging totally disingenuous.

 

[Jjz1109]

So to you ANY criticism of the Trump administration's response to the COVID pandemic is considered "politicizing the issue" to you. Got. It. (You're going to hear a lot of politicization of the Covid outbreak in the USA) We must not criticize the dear leader.

I’m looking for a question in here? I guess there isn’t one.

Where have I challenged any criticism of trump? I am challenging the incessant whining and complaining from this group, and the lack of support and highlighting of positive efforts in fighting this pandemic. Oh, sorry, there are none.

It’s clear what the agenda is here. Your hatred of trump is well established. Moving on.

 

[Jjz1109]

Unless it's something a democrat says for instance Deblasio.

Wait, are you putting words into my mouth? Just want to be clear.

 

[deleted15807]

And as far as suiting an agenda. . . you assume because I have a different ideology to this pandemic, I am a Fox News, Trump supporter. Show me where I’ve referenced Fox, or posted Fox News links, or stated support for Trump. Show me. While it’s fine for you to post links to slate, mother jones, salon, rawstory and other left leaning sites. That’s ok. Lol. You believe because someone takes a different approach to this pandemic, and don’t blame trump for every single issue, that I must be a supporter. That shows YOUR agenda, and that this is less about solutions and more about politicizing, as I have been maintaining all along. This thread is not about the Coronavirus. Everyone on this site gets it. As one member posted yesterday, the point is not missed. I, like some members from abroad (whose leaders BTW are making decisions that may come back to haunt them), are taking a more objective view rather than wallow and complain. That’s your prerogative since you all possess blinding hatred for trump. But it skews your objectivity, and makes your bleeding heart messaging totally disingenuous.

So you don't deny you left this thread alone while Trump mocked, denied the coronavirus threat? And it wasn't until he acknowledged it's reality that you decided to wade in here and start posting?

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[gr8gatsby]

Oh how I love when the Trump trolls try to deny their allegiance! Classic.

 

[deleted15807]

And we have to again review what Foxy News said before reality rushed in.

Sean Hannity denied calling coronavirus a hoax nine days after he called coronavirus a hoax
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And right here in their own words:

Fox News Claims It Never Called COVID-19 a Hoax
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As discovered long ago Fox News actually makes you dumber (@Jjz1109 do take note).

Study: Watching Fox News Actually Makes You Stupid ...
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[deleted15807]

What happens when you don't flatten the curve and the health care system is overwhelmed.

Bodies are being left in the streets in an overwhelmed Ecuadorian city​

 

[Industrialsize]

Federal health officials estimated in early April that more than 300,000 Americans could die from COVID-19 if all social distancing measures are abandoned, and later estimates pushed the possible death toll even higher, according to documents obtained by the Center for Public Integrity. Some outside experts say even that grim outlook may be too optimistic.

The documents created by the Department of Health and Human Services spell out the data and analysis the agency is sharing with other federal agencies to help shape their responses to the coronavirus.

While the White House Coronavirus Task Force has cited other models created at academic institutions, the federal government has not made public its own modeling efforts. The documents paint the fullest picture yet of the assumptions underpinning the government’s response to the pandemic.

The Trump administration is laying out plans for how to reopen America’s economy, and protesters are parading near state Capitol buildings to demand that happen swiftly. But while overestimating the threat of the virus could cause unnecessary job losses, underestimating it means more lives lost. At particular risk are the elderly and African Americans, already disproportionately dying, based on preliminary data.
Federal documents: more than 300,000 likely to die if restrictions are lifted – Center for Public Integrity

 

[d3ofol_griffin]

And we have to again review what Foxy News said before reality rushed in.

Sean Hannity denied calling coronavirus a hoax nine days after he called coronavirus a hoax
​

And right here in their own words:

Fox News Claims It Never Called COVID-19 a Hoax
​

As discovered long ago Fox News actually makes you dumber (@Jjz1109 do take note).

Study: Watching Fox News Actually Makes You Stupid ...
​

Fox viewers tend to be older. I wonder if they're becoming confused. Who knows! It seems to me Fox viewers must be becoming aware of seniors becoming sick and dying from the virus in care facilities and younger people becoming very sick from the virus in their own communities. It seems to be everywhere now!

 

[deleted15807]

Fox viewers tend to be older. I wonder if they're becoming confused. Who knows! It seems to me Fox viewers must be becoming aware of seniors becoming sick and dying from the virus in care facilities and younger people becoming very sick from the virus in their own communities. It seems to be everywhere now!

Confused or too brain dead from watching Fox. It really makes stupid people feel good about themselves.

Trump denies saying things he previously said about the coronavirus

And no matter how much they try to downplay the severity it's going to be tough even with Foxy News on your side to hide a new #1 way to die. Local news stations reports of death and mayhem aren't under the Murdoch empire will not be in on the gaslighting.

COVID-19 is rapidly becoming America’s leading cause of death​

 

[Industrialsize]

Dr. Oz spoke about this yesterday. He said there were studies showing that lupus patients on this drug have significantly lower rates of incidence of the virus than the general population. Significant. It has raised eyebrows in the medical community. He added that it is a drug that has been in the marketplace for a long period of time with minimal side effects (most concerning would be death rates) in most cases. He said it warrants further research, but for those critical patients, it anecdotally (yes, there’s that word) has had some positive results. He went on to say that anecdotal findings often serve a test cases. In the end, this should only be prescribed under a doctors care to monitor.

I wouldn't take advice on how to apply a band-aid from Dr Oz
More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE27 minutes ago

FILE - This Monday, April 6, 2020 file photo shows an arrangement of hydroxychloroquine pills in Las Vegas. According to a study released on Tuesday, April 21, 2020, the malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in an analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers report. (AP Photo/John Locher)
A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.

The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has been submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine, but has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.
More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study

 

[keenobserver]

I’m looking for a question in here? I guess there isn’t one.

Where have I challenged any criticism of trump? I am challenging the incessant whining and complaining from this group, and the lack of support and highlighting of positive efforts in fighting this pandemic. Oh, sorry, there are none.

It’s clear what the agenda is here. Your hatred of trump is well established. Moving on.

The hatred of Trump is well justified, not irrational in some way as the statement 'you hate Trump' is thrown around. I respected many presidents - even when I did not agree with them at times, they earned that respect. I hate Trump for what he has done to the country and the world. He's earned that too.

 

[dandelion]

Fascinating Trump can "come out on top" with 40,000+ dead? The highest of any nation.

Gee...thats especially bad considering how tiny the US is. What does that come out as in terms of deathes per million of the population, or deaths per million corona cases? Oh- we dont know how many cases there are. How awkward.

He most certainly can. If he can turn this and lay the blame on someone else, then the bigger the total, the better for him.

 

[dandelion]

In rich countries the value is quite high into the millions of dollars.

So out of curiosity, how much does the US government pay towards medical care for someone with a treatable medical condition, so as to save their life? How many million dollars each?

 

[Industrialsize]

So out of curiosity, how much does the US government pay towards medical care for someone with a treatable medical condition, so as to save their life? How many million dollars each?

When a society regrets the economic loss more than the loss of life, it doesn't need a virus, it is already sick.

 

[deleted15807]

Gee...thats especially bad considering how tiny the US is. What does that come out as in terms of deathes per million of the population, or deaths per million corona cases? Oh- we dont know how many cases there are. How awkward.

He most certainly can. If he can turn this and lay the blame on someone else, then the bigger the total, the better for him.

Deaths per millions? Percentages? Statistics are totally irrelevant when the public hears 40,000 people are dead that otherwise would not be. And like I posted here. It's quickly becoming #1 cause of death in the US and yes it may just be a spike but thanks to social distancing it may not maintain it's newfound status.

The brutal reality is coronavirus will have zero impact on the exploding human population count. "We are plague mammals, and plague mammals multiply fantastically until just before the last generation".