Coronavirus

[eurotop40]

For those who understand German
Coronavirus in Grossbritannien: Höhere Todeszahlen als angegeben

 

[gr8gatsby]

Thank you. Too soon. China refuses access to their labs. We, and the world, remain dependent on China for too much at the moment. I hope this was not intentional. Stay tuned.

Similarly Donald Trump, your Dear Leader stood in front of the American people for months telling lies to try do diminish the threat of a coming pandemic. I hope the whole fucking world investigates him.

 

[Industrialsize]

This is a form of human sacrifice.

Coronavirus Live Updates: Trump Administration Models Predict Near Doubling of Daily Death Toll by June

 

[Industrialsize]

This is a form of human sacrifice.
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Coronavirus Live Updates: Trump Administration Models Predict Near Doubling of Daily Death Toll by June

The plan is to have no plan, let thousands of daily deaths become normal, and create massive confusion about who is responsible, in part by fighting with the press when it shows up to be briefed or to ask questions. Don't say "spin." It is way beyond spin.

 

[deleted15807]

The plan is to have no plan, let thousands of daily deaths become normal, and create massive confusion about who is responsible, in part by fighting with the press when it shows up to be briefed or to ask questions. Don't say "spin." It is way beyond spin.

Trump never wanted a plan:

Trump reportedly asked Dr. Anthony Fauci whether it was possible to allow the coronavirus to 'wash over' the US
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[deleted15807]

Of course the day the country put a pussy-grabbing, climate-denying, NATO-sneering, China-taunting, nuke-happy, Putin-fellating, woman-hating, neo-Nazi con-artist gameshow-host troll king in the White House we knew America already was in the throes of a mental health crisis and now it's a runaway train to hell.

The coronavirus pandemic is pushing America into a mental health crisis
Anxiety and depression are rising. The U.S. is ill-prepared, with some clinics already on the brink of collapse.

Three months into the coronavirus pandemic, America is on the verge of another health crisis, with daily doses of death, isolation and fear generating widespread psychological trauma.

Federal agencies and experts warn that a historic wave of mental health problems is approaching: depression, substance abuse, post-traumatic stress disorder and suicide.

Just as the initial coronavirus outbreak caught hospitals unprepared, the country’s mental health system — vastly underfunded, fragmented and difficult to access before the pandemic — is even less prepared to handle this coming surge.

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America’s place in the world will never be the same. While we might someday restore a bit of our strength and grace, we will not recover from Trump. Not completely. Not ever.

 

[gr8gatsby]

Trump has never had a plan for anything. His failure here is of little surprise.

 

[deleted15807]

Trump casually doubles the death rate

 

[keenobserver]

Trump casually doubles the death rate

. . . but who's counting?

 

[deleted15807]

. . . but who's counting?

Our numbers are very good. The best.
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[b.c.]

I just know you always demand people be precise and clear in their postings - just lending you a hand.

... notwithstanding the personal insult.

The plan is to have no plan, let thousands of daily deaths become normal, and create massive confusion about who is responsible, in part by fighting with the press when it shows up to be briefed or to ask questions. Don't say "spin." It is way beyond spin.

Just like the Trump/GOP health insurance plan to replace Obamacare was NO FKNG PLAN AT ALL.

A message for the Nation from President George W. Bush:

That's what a President is supposed to sound like.

Trump DESPISES "unity" because he THRIVES off of division and the demonizing of others:

Trump mocks George W. Bush's call to push aside partisanship

 

[b.c.]

Weekend coronavirus news (I'll try not link what's been already linked).

Friday, May 1:

• New Mexico takes more drastic measures against virus hotspot

Saturday, May 2:

• Saturday, May 2 - WHO: US just reported deadliest day for coronavirus
  

• Deaths top 67,000 in the U.S. with 1,150,000 cases as protests over lockdown continue | Daily Mail Online

• US coronavirus death toll passes 65,000 with devastating figures in care homes | The Independent

• Texas' virus deaths hit single-day high on eve of reopening | KEYE

• Florida Just Surged Past 35K Coronavirus Patients. Re-Opening the State Tomorrow Is A Death Sentence

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Sunday, May 3:

• Trump and McConnell are working on an ‘unprecedented campaign’ to use the coronavirus crisis to bully the states: report – Raw Story
  

• Trump replaces watchdog that found ‘severe shortages’ at hospitals combatting coronavirus | The Independent

• California City Official Ousted After Saying Old, Sick And Homeless Should Die In Pandemic | HuffPost

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Monday, May 4:

• a 9/11 every day by the end of May: internal Trump document predicts 3,000 daily deaths

• Trump Admin. Quietly Predicts Near Doubling of COVID-19 Death Rate by June

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[dandelion]

Sweden has done nothing, taking a hands off approach to tacking the virus. In the UK, Boris was shaking hands just days before he was admitted to the hospital.

It isnt true Sweden has done nothing. They have honestly warned people about the virus, told the old to isolate, and given everyone advice how to behave to reduce spread. They have have created distancing measures to make sure that while cafes etc can stay open, they must observe precautions against spread (not including masks). What they have done is avoided the problem of how to get out of lockdown by never getting into it. Their economy has taken a little hit, but is basically all still operating. They started off being criticised for their death rate, but now cases are falling there too and their death numbers are looking better as others with lockdowns have been catching up.

Heres a link to a study done in Germany in a small town which suffered an outbreak of covid after the local Carnival. https://www.ukbonn.de/C12582D3002FD...on_fatality_rate_of_SARS_CoV_2_infection2.pdf

For those of you pessimists about the disease, the official finding of this study is that 15% of the people were infected by covid, giving a 0.4% death rate.

However, I suggest the optimists amongst you read the study carefully. What they did was randomly pick 600 people from the local citizens register with different surnames and then add in their families, making about 1000 in all to study. Those who agreed to take part were then given PCR tests to see if they had active virus in them, and also two antibody tests specific for covid. They also looked at old PCR test results to see who had already tested positve before the study.

If anyone cares to look at the end of the study it has graphs of their data findings. One plots the two antibody results, one against the other. To be counted as having the virus, they said you had to be positive on both tests, and have antibodies above a certain level. But if you do look at that graph, you can see two data trends. One where people had both antibodies together, and they were high or low together forming a broad rising straight line. A second where people had IgA antibodies at lower or higher amounts, but IgG stayed low. Most of the results had low levels of both antibodies, but they fell on the straight line where the two were being produced in step.

Now the researchers discounted these as too low level. But how come they have covid antibodies at all? The researchers might argue the tests arent sensitive enough to pick out real low levels from random noise, But the alternative explanation is that almost everyone in the study was exposed to covid, otherwise they wouldnt have had any antibodies. So it isnt true 15% had it, more like 90%. Which knocks down the death rate to morelike 0.06%. Which is maybe about the maximum other places have found, and is maybe the worst case outcome.

In Germany there was no shortage of medical care, unlike New York, which probably meant more died who got ill in NY than in Germany.

What the study says is they proved 15% had the virus. What it doesnt say, is they did not prove another 70% did not have the virus.

To create herd immunity you need maybe 60% immune. So the big question is, are that 70% now immune also because they did have a minor infection, so minor it never led to creating much antibody.
If so, they are comfortably home and the epidemic is over.

There are other models. The R number for the disease is quoted around 2.5, but that is an average. The study showed a wide range of response to the virus, and it is entirely possible people with mild cases (or no symptoms at all) never spread it much at all either. So the real R would vary from person to person. The people who got it bad spreading a lot, others hardly at all. So the 15% confirmed immune might have been the most susceptible, who therefore also did the most spreading. Just knocking them out might have accounted for 30% - or more - of the spread rate. Add to that the 70% who have had some exposure, who might be wholly immune but who would be expected to get it even more mildy if again at all, and again you are home having achieved herd immunity.

 

[Pahhppii]

"In NYC, the epicenter of the coronavirus, the death rate for 18-44 yrs-old is 0.016% & hospitalization rate is 0.18%. Why aren’t we sending low-risk people back to work? Millennials alone are more than 1/3 of the labor force. COVID-19: Data - NYC Health"
Lisa Boothe on Twitter

So true.

 

[Pahhppii]

The above is not to say that I don't understand the repercussions of allowing people back to work. Without a doubt, more people will die because of it. But the full lockdown we are currently doing is NOT SUSTAINABLE. As Trump says, "the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself."

Either we enter a depression because we cut 90% of our workforce for eight months, or we take the risk of partially going back to work. At some point, it's just not worth hiding anymore. The media wants a cure first, but we simply can't do this for eight months. Does anyone have an argument for why we should?

There's no perfect answer, but the road we are heading down would make the cure far worse than the problem, one which will always exist (even with a vaccine). Example A: the flu.

 

[dandelion]

The above is not to say that I don't understand the repercussions of allowing people back to work. Without a doubt, more people will die because of it.

No. Its not without doubt. people will die from the economic effects of not getting everyone back to work. Will die from failure of normal health care while medical services are disrupted by ongoing epidemic. And the concept of flattening the curve was never about fewer deaths from the epidemic, just spreading them over a longer time period. This would save lives if people are dying because of too many cases at once, but otherwise delay is just causing more economic pain.

 

[Industrialsize]

No. Its not without doubt. people will die from the economic effects of not getting everyone back to work. Will die from failure of normal health care while medical services are disrupted by ongoing epidemic. And the concept of flattening the curve was never about fewer deaths from the epidemic, just spreading them over a longer time period. This would save lives if people are dying because of too many cases at once, but otherwise delay is just causing more economic pain.

LPSG's virologist and epidemiologist has spoken.......

 

[b.c.]

As Trump's shills supporters and ANARCHISTS push America according to TRUMP'S fkng timetable, the WORST may be yet to come, with possible TENS if not a HUNDRED thousand MORE deaths on their bloody hands:

As states push ahead with reopening, CDC warns coronavirus cases and deaths are set to soar

As nearly half of U.S. states begin to ease restrictions that were put in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is quietly projecting a stark rise in the number of new cases of the virus and deaths from it over the next month.

Modeling from the CDC, incorporated into a chart prepared by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and circulated within the administration, was obtained by the New York Times. It projects 200,000 new daily cases of the coronavirus by the end of May and 3,000 daily deaths in the U.S. At present, approximately 25,000 new cases are reported each day, with roughly 1,750 deaths.

Without disputing the accuracy of the modeling used by the CDC, the White House quickly distanced itself from the projections.
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While the incomprehensible CRUELTY and SELFISHNESS of Trump, his corporate cohorts, and his DISCIPLES continues to rage unabated:

• Monty Bennett, Trump donor and largest recipient of PPP funds, will return money, Business Insider - Business Insider Malaysia

• Trump supporters trashing new COVID-19 drug because the president pushed hydroxychloroquine first: report – Raw Story

• This Washington Post Story Shows Just How Little Trump Cared About Public Health in COVID-19 Response – Mother Jones

• Remdesivir: US government will decide where drug goes amid coronavirus pandemic, Gilead says - CNN

 

[b.c.]

And in related news, yet ANOTHER state governor revealed how they had to hide a shipment of supplies from the nation's SQUATTER in the O. Office - out of fear of PIRACY and having it STOLEN from them. What the ever loving FUCK has this nation come to??

Colorado kept a large shipment of COVID-19 tests 'under wraps' so the federal government wouldn't take them, governor says

Colorado Gov. Jared Polis said Friday in an interview with Colorado Public Radio that his state kept a shipment of more than 100,000 COVID-19 tests from South Korea "under wraps" over concerns the federal government might interfere."We were worried that the federal government or somebody else would take them," he said in the interview.During a press conference Friday, he reiterated his concerns, saying that the current situation, with regard to coronavirus tests, masks, etc., is a "global free-for-all.

His comments follow a revelation by Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan that the state National Guard and police met a plane from South Korea carrying 500,000 tests at the airport and are currently guarding them at a secret location to avoid seizure.​

BUT you can bet your bottom DOLLAR that everyone AROUND TRUMP is going to be tested TEN TIMES OVER:

While White House Aides Are Tested Weekly, The Capitol Doesn't Have Enough Coronavirus Tests

Trump's sending his "army" out into the streets, they're holding hands and getting in the faces of law enforcement (which IMO, considering the risk of infection, SHOULD be considered an ASSAULT with intent to kill or cause BODILY HARM - just SAYIN'}:

Ammon Bundy Compares Lockdown to Nazi Holocaust At Idaho Anti-Lockdown Rally | HuffPost

MEANWHILE, Americans are in fear of retaliation from fucking DOMESTIC TERRORIST (because that's EXACTLY what they are) for following safety protocols and TRYING to behave in a RESPONSIBLE manner for the safety of themselves and their communities:

• Citing Violent Threats Against Business Employees, Oklahoma Mayor Ends Mandatory Face Mask Order

• Missourians who tipped off county about lockdown rule-breakers fear retaliation after detail release | Daily Mail Online

• San Diego Man Wears KKK Hood to Supermarket After County Orders Public to Wear Face Masks

Now maybe it's just ME. Maybe I'M the backwards ass one. But WHY THE FUCK are the people who are doing the RIGHT thing the ones who are living in fear????

 

[Industrialsize]

The effect of the Republican Legislature of Wisconsin's making the citizens vote in the primary in person in a picture: