Coronavirus

[1360120]

Trump is likely tested once a week or more, for Covid-19. He probably feels that, in the unlikely event that he becomes infected, he'll survive.

 

[phonehome]

Trump is likely tested once a week or more, for Covid-19. He probably feels that, in the unlikely event that he becomes infected, he'll survive.

First off given his age, his obesity and his heart condition if he gets infected he is NOT likely to survive

Second he is supposed to lead by example which unfortunately he does do but in all the wrong ways and has been doing since before day one.

You name it, from early on the ready excuse has always been some form of "well the President does it"

He never wears a mask, he does not distance he does not -----------

We see scenes like at the Lake of the Ozarks and other such events where the hardcore Trumpians feel duty bound to emulate the chosen one.

 

[Freddie53]

First off given his age, his obesity and his heart condition if he gets infected he is NOT likely to survive

Second he is supposed to lead by example which unfortunately he does do but in all the wrong ways and has been doing since before day one.

You name it, from early on the ready excuse has always been some form of "well the President does it"

He never wears a mask, he does not distance he does not -----------

We see scenes like at the Lake of the Ozarks and other such events where the hardcore Trumpians feel duty bound to emulate the chosen one.

"We see scenes like at the Lake of the Ozarks and other such events where the hardcore Trumpians feel duty bound to emulate the chosen one." and they may die like the chosen one. Compliments of COVID19.

 

[keenobserver]

Trump is likely tested once a week or more, for Covid-19. He probably feels that, in the unlikely event that he becomes infected, he'll survive.

Most idiots do, until they don't.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

First off given his age, his obesity and his heart condition if he gets infected he is NOT likely to survive.

Just a small point, phonehome.
I don't think Trump has been diagnosed with a heart condition.
He does have a significant amount of calcium in his coronary arteries, indicating that he has a fair amount of plaquing -- but even then, his calcium score was just slightly below the average for a male of his age.
His age and obesity, I would guess, are greater risks in the pandemic.

 

[keenobserver]

Just a small point, phonehome.
I don't think Trump has been diagnosed with a heart condition.
He does have a significant amount of calcium in his coronary arteries, indicating that he has a fair amount of plaquing -- but even then, his calcium score was just slightly below the average for a male of his age.
His age and obesity, I would guess, are greater risks in the pandemic.

But given Trump's determination to lie about virtually everything, there is no way to know if any information he released is even remotely true.

 

[phonehome]

But given Trump's determination to lie about virtually everything, there is no way to know if any information he released is even remotely true.

That was the same Dr. that said he weighed something like 230 and could live to age 200

 

[phonehome]

Just a small point, phonehome.
I don't think Trump has been diagnosed with a heart condition.
He does have a significant amount of calcium in his coronary arteries, indicating that he has a fair amount of plaquing -- but even then, his calcium score was just slightly below the average for a male of his age.
His age and obesity, I would guess, are greater risks in the pandemic.

I was referring to the plaque build up

What once upon a time was called "hardening of the arteries"

The arteries in question are in his heart, they condition such as it is has been diagnosed.

Now if you don't want to call it a "diagnosed heart condition fine"

it can and does cause heart attacks, other such ailments require bypasses and other heart related treatments

 

[ConanTheBarber]

I was referring to the plaque build up

What once upon a time was called "hardening of the arteries"

The arteries in question are in his heart, they condition such as it is has been diagnosed.

Now if you don't want to call it a "diagnosed heart condition fine"

it can and does cause heart attacks, other such ailments require bypasses and other heart related treatments

Yes, but he had a slightly lower calcium score than the average man of his age.
On your argument, you would have to say that more than half of men of his age have heart disease. True, in a way, but it doesn't pose anything like the threat that someone would face who had overt symptoms and perhaps a history of heart attack.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

But given Trump's determination to lie about virtually everything, there is no way to know if any information he released is even remotely true.

The figure was released by Ronny Jackson, then the White House physician.
This is the result of a scan of his arteries. This is quite an objective thing.
Color me naive (which I may well be), but I can't imagine that being fudged, no matter how tangled the thicket of lies around Trump might otherwise be.

 

[keenobserver]

The figure was released by Ronny Jackson, then the White House physician.
This is the result of a scan of his arteries. This is quite an objective thing.
Color me naive (which I may well be), but I can't imagine that being fudged, no matter how tangled the thicket of lies around Trump might otherwise be.

Okay - you're naïve! (joking). However the same Ronny Jackson is running for Congress as a Trump loving butt kiss. I'm sure he would be of such high integrity that he would never lie to advance his career - (oh, wait, he already did that - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-allegations-against-ronny-jackson-annotated/ )

 

[Industrialsize]

The figure was released by Ronny Jackson, then the White House physician.
This is the result of a scan of his arteries. This is quite an objective thing.
Color me naive (which I may well be), but I can't imagine that being fudged, no matter how tangled the thicket of lies around Trump might otherwise be.

You're naive......

 

[ConanTheBarber]

You're naive......

Okay. Always suspected so.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Okay - you're naïve! (joking). However the same Ronny Jackson is running for Congress as a Trump loving butt kiss. I'm sure he would be of such high integrity that he would never lie to advance his career - (oh, wait, he already did that - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-allegations-against-ronny-jackson-annotated/ )

Yes, but we have a whole sequence of Trump's calcium scores. He is definitely accumulating calcium at an accelerating rate (rather normal for a man his age), but the numbers made a quite plausible sequence.
To each their own.
I'm sure we have identical views of Trump's mendacity.

'Nuff said, Keen.
When this war is over, we'll go out for a beer.

 

[gr8gatsby]

Do bone spurs make Donald more at risk for covid-19 complications?

 

[deleted15807]

Do bone spurs make Donald more at risk for covid-19 complications?

It's just the flu OK!

 

[deleted15807]

There's no telling by November how many dead Trump will ask voters to just forget about. One thing for sure is it will be staggering as he gets back to his two true loves: rage tweeting and golfing. Opps and blaming Obama for everything.

While we continue to lose people at the rate of about 1,000 every day, much of the Trump coverage has turned to other matters. What reporting there is about Trump and the virus has largely become about his astonishing lack of empathy, his unseemly rush to "reopen" and his sadistic campaign against mask-wearing — all of which are legitimate stories.

But it's almost as if the D.C. media has forgotten what Trump and the federal government urgently need to do — and could be doing — to save people's lives.

As I have written repeatedly, experts in public health are essentially unanimous that minimizing the toll of the virus depends on forceful federal action to supercharge the supply chain for testing, massively increase the daily number of tests, mobilize a nationwide contact-tracing program and get infected people to self-isolate.

But when it comes to the virus, Washington is doing basically none of the things we need it to do.

Trump's massive pandemic failure is still happening — it's not in the past​

 

[deleted15807]

I cannot take any nation's response to the Pandemic, compare it to those of other nations, and judge leadership at face value because there are too many variables which make such a comparison suspect to begin with. This list is not all-inclusive, just a starting point...

1. How remote is the nation / geographic area? (The more remote you are, the lower the chance of spread.
2. How long did it take for the pandemic to reach said nation? (If you saw one infection turn into one thousand infections a month ago, as soon as you confirm one, you know where you're heading unless you take different action.)
3. How free are the people to move? How well will they follow instruction?
4. How dense is the population? How to they get around? Train? Bus? This is not the same across all nations.
5. How much foreign traffic is in each nation? In certain areas of each nation? (Again, this is not universal)
6. How does climate (and the human response to it) impact virus transmission? Does it spread easier in colder climates more readily since people spend more time indoors in close quarters? Does is NOT spread as quickly in warm / hot areas where there is no air conditioning, and people spend time outdoors? (I don't know; I don't think science knows yet, either).
7. How does a given nation's population live at home? Multi-generational home? Or is everyone over 20 in their own apartment? (This varies across nations, too.)

If a population fails to follow advice, and flagrantly disobeys direction, I expect that any "policy" will fail. There aren't enough police to enforce policy. The population needs to buy into it.



But that goes back to the population following recommendations and taking things seriously. The populist leader is a reflection of the electorate. Unless people fear the state, they're going to do what they want. It's a mindset I am afraid many don't have.



There are plenty of people blame. Trump is one of them, but not the only one. And the spread of the virus in the States is not just a function of the leader of the federal government. It's a function of state and local leadership, as well as a population that was ignorant of what was happening elsewhere. The USA numbers are boosted by what happened in New York... JFK - the Gateway to America - introducing infections from abroad every day, and the local workers taking that home, and their housemates family then sharing the gift; the subway; the buses; and a mayor who said, "The subway is safe, but don't get on a packed train. And by the way, go out to see a show"

Trump ignored it. So did many other leaders. Lucky for those other leaders, international travelers flew through New York. I didn't see Trudeau closing borders ahead of the States... Community spread did not get as strong a foothold there because there were fewer infection vectors from overseas.

You speak as if the mishandling is over and not still occurring. It's not.

 

[Freddie53]

I was referring to the plaque build up

What once upon a time was called "hardening of the arteries"

The arteries in question are in his heart, they condition such as it is has been diagnosed.

Now if you don't want to call it a "diagnosed heart condition fine"

it can and does cause heart attacks, other such ailments require bypasses and other heart related treatments

The terms heart condition and heart disease are not synonymous.

Everyone has a heart condition. Turn the words around. What is the condition of your heart?

Is the heart of a 16 year old
Is the heart of an 80 year old

Perfect heart
Diseased heart

Heart arteries and veins have extensive blockage
Heart arteries and veins have don't have extensive blockage.

Perfectly formed heart
Imperfectly formed from birth

Should Trump have a heart attack due to blockage that has gotten worse over time, then Trump will have then have heart disease.

The concern is not if Trump has heart disease. The concern is that if Trump doesn't lose weight. doesn't eat a heart healthy diet, doesn't do some exercise and doesn't reduce stress at least to some degree, then the chances of a blockage in the heart will increase significantly. due to more plaque buildup.

Trump right now is a major candidate to develop heart disease because he had plaque that can cause a blockage.

That is a major concern for everyone as long as Trump is president.

If all below is true for Trump for the future:

Keeps his weight just at morbidly obese
Eats fast food with lots of the wrong kind of fat
Does not exercise.
Let's stress put his emotions in high gear
Get's closer and closer to 80 years old

Then Trump is a major candidate to Develop Heart Disease within the next four years or have stints or may even bypass surgery.

That does not mean Trump will have a heart attack, stints or bypass surgery.

Doctors have "said" that they have found plaque in Trump's heart arteries.

The term that physicians use is not "said," it is diagnosed.

In the job Trump has and the age he will be in four years are two factors that make the chances of developing heart disease significant. This is statistics.

Trump will be 78 if he serves for 8 years as president.

For some men, there is a huge difference when they are 70 and when they are 80.

I am not worried about Trump's heart as I am about Trump's brain. Perhaps there are lots of plague built up in the brain. That could cause mental issues such as stroke or dementia

 

[keenobserver]

The terms heart condition and heart disease are not synonymous.

Everyone has a heart condition. Turn the words around. What is the condition of your heart?

Is the heart of a 16 year old
Is the heart of an 80 year old

Perfect heart
Diseased heart

Heart arteries and veins have extensive blockage
Heart arteries and veins have don't have extensive blockage.

Perfectly formed heart
Imperfectly formed from birth

Should Trump have a heart attack due to blockage that has gotten worse over time, then Trump will have then have heart disease.

The concern is not if Trump has heart disease. The concern is that if Trump doesn't lose weight. doesn't eat a heart healthy diet, doesn't do some exercise and doesn't reduce stress at least to some degree, then the chances of a blockage in the heart will increase significantly. due to more plaque buildup.

Trump right now is a major candidate to develop heart disease because he had plaque that can cause a blockage.

That is a major concern for everyone as long as Trump is president.

If all below is true for Trump for the future:

Keeps his weight just at morbidly obese
Eats fast food with lots of the wrong kind of fat
Does not exercise.
Let's stress put his emotions in high gear
Get's closer and closer to 80 years old

Then Trump is a major candidate to Develop Heart Disease within the next four years or have stints or may even bypass surgery.

That does not mean Trump will have a heart attack, stints or bypass surgery.

Doctors have "said" that they have found plaque in Trump's heart arteries.

The term that physicians use is not "said," it is diagnosed.

In the job Trump has and the age he will be in four years are two factors that make the chances of developing heart disease significant. This is statistics.

Trump will be 78 if he serves for 8 years as president.

For some men, there is a huge difference when they are 70 and when they are 80.

I am not worried about Trump's heart as I am about Trump's brain. Perhaps there are lots of plague built up in the brain. That could cause mental issues such as stroke or dementia

I don't see this as the time to encourage Trump to be in a diet. God knows he is already Mr. Cranky Pants now. I really do not want to see how he acts when he is going through KFC withdrawal or hurting for some Big Macs.