Corporate-funded mobs attack democracy

[maxcok]

Just once I would like to take part in a discussion here that doesn't break down into a pissing match with 5000 words that have absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

*sigh* Believe me, I would like nothing better myself, as would most of the posters on this forum,
I believe. Sadly, there are a few who have a different agenda and prevent that from happening.

Really, what are we supposed to do? Roll over and let the cyber bullies and blatant liars reign without challenge? I'm sorry, I can't do that. Precisely because I would like to have an intelligent discussion.

So I apologize to the thread in advance, but I really must do this.

Lastly, I did not deliberately change quotes of posters, I quoted their text, in 2 cases, I misunderstood what had been written, you, midlife and nwnccpl, all have now chastized me for it. You did so while using insults, although you say that is what I do and that it is wrong for me to do so. In the one case where you wrote something, I had to severely edit, because there is a limit to the number of characters (letters, numbers, punctuation) allowed in a post.

So then you will have no problem explaining away the following. Here is the original text of what I posted to you:

Northland sez:

I did my homework, honey. I am far more learned than you'd allow yourself to believe. I know the ins and outs of poliitics, I hold a degree in History and can fill you in, rough draft, on any period of time between 2000 B.C. and now.

Maxcok sez:

We all stand in awe of your magnificent intellect. Why do we not see it reflected in any of your observations on current events or modern political history? And believe me, you are the last person I would want to 'fill me in' on anything, literally or figuratively.

You are clearly not simple minded, but ironically it is your desperate desire to be noticed and recognized for your 'brilliance' that make you an utter fool. A mean and nasty one to boot.

News flash, honey: I don't give a crap about you or your supposed knowledge, nor have I called that into question. It is only you who is obsessed with trying to prove something here, which indicates to me deep seated insecurity, a pathological inferiority complex.

Again, it is a mystery why you have come out of hiding to suddenly attack me, now stalking me from thread to thread, when I have never paid you any mind before. Is that the problem? You want some attention baby boy?? Or did someone put you up to this?

Hmmm . . . .

Mysteriously when you quoted me the text had been rewritten as follows:

We all stand in awe of your magnificent intellect. Why we see it reflected in your observations on current events or modern political history, And believe me, you are the person I would want to 'fill me in' on anything, literally or figuratively. Aw, thanks! You can sit down though while admiring me:smile:.

You are clearly recognized for your brilliance to boot. Why thank you. So sweet of you to say that.
News flash, honey: I have deep seated insecurity, a pathological inferiority complex. That's okay, it's nothing for you to feel ashamed of.

Again, it is a mystery why I have never paid you any mind before. Probably those peace marchings and the Kennedy funerals- why overthink it? You've found me now. embrace the wonder of this gift! Oh, wait, you just recently arrived, I was out of town for part of December, all of January and a sizeable chunk of February, I am sorry forgot to get you a gift.:frown1:

So . . . short of poltergeists invading your hard drive, what is your explanation?

If this doesn't prove you to be a blatant liar, a troll and a cyber bully, there's nothing left to say. Except that this and your prior posts also prove beyond a shadow of doubt that you are quite emotionally disturbed as well. IMHO.

Seriously, please get some help. Or just continue to scream how crazy you are.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Northland wishes he was a "bully".

 

[maxcok]

Northland (who is obviously obsessed with becoming my personal Troll)

I was gonna say better you than me, even though I adore you and would never wish that on anyone. Apparently he's decided to come back at me again. What to do, what to do . . . .



Anyway, we can all hold our collective breath waiting for Northland or some other troll to start screaming us down again while we try to have a reasonable adult discussion.

- OR -

We can do as FuzzyKen suggested and get back to the OP topic -corporate funding inciting people to invade town hall meetings and scream down any reasonable adult discussion.

hmmm . . . . .

 

[B_spiker067]

We can do as FuzzyKen suggested and get back to the OP topic -corporate funding inciting people to invade town hall meetings and scream down any reasonable adult discussion.

hmmm . . . . .

You don't need corporate funding to scream down reasonable adult discussion. I've seen you and a few others do it right here. Then again maybe you do get paid to do this, hmmmm....

 

[maxcok]

^ le troll arrive










guess we can stop holding our breath now

 

[midlifebear]

I've yet to attend a government hearing where corporate paid mobs shout down and frighten off the discussion. But I have a lot of experience of being part of County and State hearings and meetings where the Eagle Forum and the American Family Association have shown up in great numbers to interrupt and take over the discussion, thus putting any real decisions off until a later date.

I'm no longer a great believer that 'Mericuhns are as well-educaated as we once were. I base my opinion on having taught elementary school for 5 years and somewhat shocked at the questionable curriculum outlined I was instructed to follow and that most adults I meet, mostly from 30 to 40 years of age, seem to have a very shoddy understanding of 20th Century History. For example, way out West there is a popular movement to insist that the holocaust never happened. And I've heard more than once from students who graduated from private schools in Ewetaw called things such as The American Freedom School or Patriot Founders Academy that, again using the holocaust as an example, that it was just a liberal propaganda plot to win sympathy for Jews. And these people don't smile when they make these claims. But more to the point, this 30 to 40 years old set have an even more radical background in revisionist history.

So, it's no surprise to me that these folks cannot really think for themselves. They seem more willing to believe the "truth" as presented by a corporation whose Fluffy-Os they grew up eating. And their parents are so dulled out on SSRIs "because, sometimes we all feel a little blue" that they dropped the ball when actually being an active participant in their childrens' educations. There's nothing more frustrating to have a member of the PTA (and we usually like the PTA) insist they have a better idea how to teach their children than the teachers who spent 6 years at a university learning to be professional educators.

So, I'm not terribly surprised that corporation-hired mobs will prove very effective when it comes to persuading a large clot of 'Mericuhns into thinking the way the corporations believe the the public should think. I'm convinced that the currently dumbed down middle 'Mericuh has been carefully engineered so that corporations and political parties can more easily exercise control all wrapped up in the country's flag and served up as 'Mericuhn democracy.

So, I always find it refreshing to discover an adolescent in the USA who can speak at least two languages (English and something else) fluently. And if they speak three or more, all the better. These individuals have a wider scope for understanding what is going on. A good example of being multilingual, and thus better educated, are folks who can and do watch CNN in English and CNN Español. CNN in English gets all riled up over Hugo Chavez and likes, as do the other news networks, make him out to be a bigger threat than he is. CNN Español will also color Hugo Chavez as a renegade wild card, but not as dangerous as the English reportage. After all, CNN Español has an audience much more familiar with the inherent problems in Central and South America, the USA's spotty history "helping out" in those regions, and how Chavez is much less a threat because even his Ecuadorian and Bolivian "revolutionist" leaders find him to be little more than a blow hard. And he's definitely nothing that South America cannot handle on their own without the uninvited assistance of the US Military.

But the minute a US corporation that has deep interests in Venezuela decides their interests are threatened, you'll hear corporate mobs demanding "we go in and unseat the fascist bastard" until we find ourselves engaged in "operation free Venezuela." And so it has been with our neighbors to the south for more than a century. What the purposely uneducated fail to understand -- precisely because of their lack of education -- is that Central and South Americans are not dumb. In fact, they generally have a better grasp of world politics than folks in the USA. They would just prefer we stick to our side and deal with our problems as they work out their own differences.

But as far as being able to save ourselves from pernicious corporate interests intent upon engineering pubic opinion so it fits their needs, I'm afraid that ship has sailed and sunk.

 

[finsuptx]

One of the major problems is in the actual advertisments that air. I thought there was something in this country called "Truth in Advertising", but that must have been a dream. Apparently, if you pay for a spot, you can say any-damn-thing you want to. It doesn't have to be factual, it doesn't have to be true, it doesn't even have to be glossed over in civility.

A thirty second spot that spouts nothing but patently false statements will run 40 times a day. Tell yourself a lie enough times and you will begin to believe it. Persuasion through fear has been the hallmark of despots and dictators for thousands of years. These commercials are expertly crafted to scare the crap out of the american people (who are really quite clueless when you get right down to it), and they are effective.

There needs to be rules and guidelines for political advertising. Not just a stooopid "I approved this message" tagline. When they lie and twist facts and make wild accusations, they should be held accountable.

 

[Northland]

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So then you will have no problem explaining away the following. Here is the original text of what I posted to you:



Mysteriously when you quoted me the text had been rewritten as follows:


So . . . short of poltergeists invading your hard drive, what is your explanation?

If this doesn't prove you to be a blatant liar, a troll and a cyber bully, there's nothing left to say. Except that this and your prior posts also prove beyond a shadow of doubt that you are quite emotionally disturbed as well. IMHO.

Seriously, please get some help. Or just continue to scream how crazy you are.

I had told you, I edited to conserve space. I did not rearrange any of your words, simply snipped some out.

 

[Northland]

Northland wishes he was a "bully".

Nothing of the sort. I have no use for bullies. I state my views, I do not require that you or anyone else agree with them.

Have a pleasant day.

 

[finsuptx]

Nothing of the sort. I have no use for bullies. I state my views, I do not require that you or anyone else agree with them.

Have a pleasant day.

If you state views, they seem to be all about you. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion topic, STFU!

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Nothing of the sort. I have no use for bullies. I state my views, I do not require that you or anyone else agree with them.

Yes you do.
If you really didn't require it or at least wished someone would at least adhere to your beliefs to some level, then why argue it and twist people's statements to make you look like the victim for not seeing things your way for the last 2 days?

Have a pleasant day.

Take a Valium.

 

[Northland]

If you state views, they seem to be all about you. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion topic, STFU!

I like you too.


Max and midlife state views and then tell their 'I did this, I did that' and that is before I state what I did, regarding helping homeless, elderly and others. So, it's a matter of the one side can strut about glorying in their doings; but, the other side is to say nothing, even when the things I did are related to the topic?


Further, all posts are to some degree about the person posting it, based on life experience. When I speak in this thread about faith healing, helping homeless persons, elderly and my cancer experience, it has no choice but to in part, be about me, this shows how I arrived at my beliefs.

 

[midlifebear]

finsuptx:

One of the better reads required during grad school was Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent, (maybe it was Engineering Consent, it's been a few decades) wherein he addressed this exact problem. Of course, because he "nailed" it he's accused of everything from treason to diddling little boys by the economic and government powers that be. One really has to question a country that derides its most valuable assets: its intellectuals who possess character and are not easily intimidated. I'm not an acolyte of Chomsky (except his work on transformational grammar is now the approach used by the majority of linguists who research and compile grammars for the world's languages). And I have to admit his tree structure analysis to define the "deep structure" of a sentence or sentence fragment makes a lot more sense than parsing out sentences by imposing the grammatical rules for Latin. Since when did English ever conjugate classes of verbs like a latin-derived language such as French, Spanish, Italian, Catalá, or Romanian? Anyone who spouts "You can't end a sentence with a preposition," or "It's incorrect to begin a sentence with a conjunction," lets you know by such idiotic statements that their educators relied upon and passed along bad information left over from the early 1950s. After all, that was the decade when "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should." Even I find myself fucking up verb/subject agreement as well as saying stupid things such as "John and me" when I know perfectly well it should be "John and I", depending upon the context of objective or subjective. But you're right. Anyone with enough money can now foist a campaign to make black white and white black -- and get everyone to buy into it.

I know I use my parents far too often as examples, but thankfully my mother and father still remembered algebra, calculus, and geometry -- into their 80s. They were a great help for me when I had to slog through algebra and calculus in 8th and 9th grade. And they were just plain old dirt farmers educated in public school in the 1920s and 1930s. My 'Mericuhn friends who have raised families admit they had to hire tutors to help their children with those same subjects, because they didn't remember anything about algebra and most of them never had to take calculus. Rather sad.

As for Chomsky, if he weren't a citizen of the USA I'm certain they'd make sure he wasn't allowed inside the borders of 'Mericuh. He'd probably be arrested as a "linguistic terrorist"

 

[Northland]

Yes you do.
If you really didn't require it or at least wished someone would at least adhere to your beliefs to some level, then why argue it and twist people's statements to make you look like the victim for not seeing things your way for the last 2 days?



Take a Valium.

I have twisted nothing. In the 2 cases, as I made clear, I misread something, that was all. I admitted it. In the case of max, I explained how I had edited his post. Admittedly it was a childish way of doing it; but, you've done far worse, altering text to gibberish- in other words, you ain't the one to be hurling claims of bullying without at the very least owning up to your own. At no point have I bullied. My views, are my views. I do not tell others that they cannot have their views, or that they are 100% wrong. I present what has happened in my life, how I arrive at my beliefs. I am not about to fall into lockstep behavior because you or anyone else has issues with a man who has his own beliefs. I at no time say I am perfect, at no time do I pretend to be. In the last 24 hours, my posts in this thread have been responses to those questioning me and have been direct responses, no word play involved.

So, have at it, enjoy your hate. Once more, my ideas are mine- READ MY SIGNATURE BELOW, it states it on every post.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I have twisted nothing. In the 2 cases, as I made clear, I misread something, that was all.

Nice way to contradict yourself, but go on.

In the case of max, I explained how I had edited his post. Admittedly it was a childish way of doing it; but, you've done far worse, altering text to gibberish- in other words, you ain't the one to be hurling claims of bullying without at the very least owning up to your own. At no point have I bullied.

But this really isn't about ME right now, is it?
Or is this another one of your sad attempts to "better oneself" in the view of others? Because everyone knows how I am on this board, nor do I have to make an excuse or defend it.

My views, are my views. I do not tell others that they cannot have their views, or that they are 100% wrong. I present what has happened in my life, how I arrive at my beliefs. I am not about to fall into lockstep behavior because you or anyone else has issues with a man who has his own beliefs. I at no time say I am perfect, at no time do I pretend to be. In the last 24 hours, my posts in this thread have been responses to those questioning me and have been direct responses, no word play involved.

MLB and maxcok have many other reasons to suggest otherwise. But I digress...

So, have at it, enjoy your hate.

SIGH... why is it always "hate" when someone doesn't agree with you? To assume hatred usually implies some level of envy, and trust me NOBODY wants what you have. At least on this board. Really.

Once more, my ideas are mine- READ MY SIGNATURE BELOW, it states it on every post.

Why thank you Mr. Obvious. Of course your ideas are yours. We'd at least hope so. But so are everyone else's and it's you who are somehow pissed or feel victimized because someone else's ideas are not on the same level as yours. Was it really worth this psychobabble about, of all things, faith based healing? Even I'm a Christian and thinks that was a bit too kooky... even for you.

 

[maxcok]

I did not deliberately change quotes of posters, I quoted their text, in 2 cases, I misunderstood what had been written, you, midlife and nwnccpl, all have now chastized me for it. In the one case where you wrote something, I had to severely edit, because there is a limit to the number of characters (letters, numbers, punctuation) allowed in a post.

I had told you, I edited to conserve space. I did not rearrange any of your words, simply snipped some out.

I have twisted nothing. In the 2 cases, as I made clear, I misread something, that was all. I admitted it. In the case of max, I explained how I had edited his post.

Let's be clear. My quote coupled with your response is nowhere near the limit allowed for a post. That is a blatant lie, and you damn well know it. Lying comes quite easily to you though, this is also clear. You will deny that too of course, which is yet another lie. Let's be clear about this too: You most assuredly did deliberately change my quote, in the extreme. The fact that you would deny this in the face of clear evidence to the contrary is audacious and astonishing. In fact, you have admitted to changing my quote at the same time you continue to deny it. In the same paragraph. Amazing. Disturbing. When one takes a line by line comparison it is quite easy for anyone to see how you have manipulated my text. Quote:

We all stand in awe of your magnificent intellect. Why do we not see it reflected in any of your observations on current events or modern political history? And believe me, you are the last person I would want to 'fill me in' on anything, literally or figuratively.

We all stand in awe of your magnificent intellect. Why we see it reflected in your observations on current events or modern political history, And believe me, you are the person I would want to 'fill me in' on anything, literally or figuratively. Aw, thanks! You can sit down though while admiring me:smile:.

You are clearly not simple minded, but ironically it is your desperate desire to be noticed and recognized for your 'brilliance' that make you an utter fool. A mean and nasty one to boot.

You are clearly recognized for your brilliance to boot. Why thank you. So sweet of you to say that.

News flash, "honey": I don't give a crap about you or your supposed knowledge, nor have I called that into question. It is only you who is obsessed with trying to prove something here, which indicates to me deep seated insecurity, a pathological inferiority complex.

News flash, honey: I have deep seated insecurity, a pathological inferiority complex. That's okay, it's nothing for you to feel ashamed of.

Again, it is a mystery why you have come out of hiding to suddenly attack me, now stalking me from thread to thread, when I have never paid you any mind before.

Again, it is a mystery why I have never paid you any mind before. Probably those peace marchings and the Kennedy funerals- why overthink it? You've found me now. embrace the wonder of this gift!

In another context I might have found this exercise clever and amusing. Coming as it does in the midst of a vicious and unprovoked campaign of harassment, it is not amusing at all. I don't understand people like you, people who have this powerful need for attention that manifests in such antagonistic and aggressive behavior. Behavior that only serves to alienate the people who might otherwise be friendly with you. It seems a very sad and tortured way to live.

I will not waste sympathy on you though, even as you try to play the victim. You are a mean, nasty and hurtful person. Whether that is an outward reflection of your deep insecurity and self loathing or something else, I do not care. I only know that you are a liar, a cheater, a manipulator and a hypocrite. I would be very surprised if the altruistic tales you have spun at great length and in such detail are anywhere close to reality. You are far too self-absorbed to be so magnanimous, though you are clearly inventive enough to imagine the scenarios. Your true nature revealed here would indicate that this is all a fiction created on the internet to garner admiration, approval and sympathy. You will protest this with great indignation and try to prove otherwise. But zebras and tigers do not change their stripes that easily. You are an imperious lying despicable troll, and anything but what you profess to be.

I follow the basic teachings of Jesus (or try to, often falling short), which to me simply means living a caring and decent life, trying not to harm others and trying to help where and when I can.

Riiiight . . . so you say . . . . . .

 

[finsuptx]

The limit for words in a single post clocks in at around 2700 words. I know this only too well from posting lengthy updates to stories I've written for the Ficticious Stories section. Hope this helps. ;-)

 

[maxcok]

'Helps' in what sense? Probably not in convincing a delusional bald-faced liar to come clean.
I think there's enough evidence there already.

Might help me though, as I have a tendency to run a little long at times. So thanks for that. :wink:

 

[Northland]

The limit for words in a single post clocks in at around 2700 words. I know this only too well from posting lengthy updates to stories I've written for the Ficticious Stories section. Hope this helps. ;-)

I've faced that challenge myself, it's annoying, most annoying. I hope when I pen the next 8 chapters of http://www.lpsg.org/76865-presidential-path.html I won't get so frustrated as to have to edit out the aisle crossing sex scenes (a beautiful scene with Nancy and Scotty).

 

[B_talltpaguy]

The limit for words in a single post clocks in at around 2700 words. I know this only too well from posting lengthy updates to stories I've written for the Ficticious Stories section. Hope this helps. ;-)

It's probably set at 10,000 characters. Off the top of my head, I think that's the default in vB when you turn on post length limits.