Corporations and the election

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However, if the Republicans can still try and blame Jimmy Carter for failed policies, reminding folks that the people before them fucked up royally is not out of bounds. We went from a surplus after the end of the Clinton Administration to a record deficit after the Bush Administration. THAT IS A FACT. Things like this don't get corrected by ANY party in power in two years.

Well I'll take that logic to mean that you'd agree New Labour screwed up the UK!

Don't forget Carter & Clinton set up those massive millstones Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.

I wholly agree Obama couldn't change anything that could be seen in 2 years, but why has he got all those people who are the cause of the problem form Goldman Sach et al. in his administration? Why does he have all those Bush era guys in senior Government positions?

This isn't partisan. The Reps & Dems both rely on the guys who f*cked the world up, then made a fortune out of it.

They've employed foxes to look after the henhouse.
 

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crackoff said:
Well I'll take that logic to mean that you'd agree New Labour screwed up the UK!

No... because I don't live in the UK, nor am I well versed in the country's political parties and issues. :rolleyes:

Don't forget Carter & Clinton set up those massive millstones Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.

So what? The program, despite its flaws, help millions of people get homes. There were far more successes with the program than with the failures towards the end which was more due to the banks and their calculated misdeeds.

I wholly agree Obama couldn't change anything that could be seen in 2 years, but why has he got all those people who are the cause of the problem form Goldman Sach et al. in his administration? Why does he have all those Bush era guys in senior Government positions?

Again, so what? Just because someone is associated with an organization or a previous administration doesn't automatically make them unqualified or wrong for the job. Why imply that people are just guilty by association here?

This isn't partisan. The Reps & Dems both rely on the guys who f*cked the world up, then made a fortune out of it.

You'd be more accurate if you just came out and said "politicians" instead of making it an issue between two political parties.
 

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No... because I don't live in the UK, nor am I well versed in the country's political parties and issues. :rolleyes:

It's the same everywhere in the West. If you were more versed in other nations issues, you would be better informed to see the parallels with your own.


So what? The program, despite its flaws, help millions of people get homes. There were far more successes with the program than with the failures towards the end which was more due to the banks and their calculated misdeeds.

Not really here. This was a cock up of "politicians" creating a wealth & security that couldn't survive. This was politicians pushing banks, not vice-versa.


Again, so what? Just because someone is associated with an organization or a previous administration doesn't automatically make them unqualified or wrong for the job. Why imply that people are just guilty by association here?

It's bloody obvious! If you complain about the previous regime, then employ all the irresponsible, or self serving bastards, associated with all of its failures - then the buck stops with you!


You'd be more accurate if you just came out and said "politicians" instead of making it an issue between two political parties.

I'm not aware of any elected politicians in Congress, the Senate, or the White House who aren't Democrat or Republican. Of the 2 independents - one is a registered Democrat, & the other was endorsed, with no candidate fielded aginst him, by the Democrats.

So it is an issue just between 2 political parties, as the US doesn't have any other in its Parliament.
 

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It's the same everywhere in the West. If you were more versed in other nations issues, you would be better informed to see the parallels with your own.

Seriously, you had to work that hard to make some kind of intellectual attack on me? Trust me, the fact that I don't know every intimate detail about the politics of your country is not an indicator of any lack of intelligence on my end. I could sit here all day and construct a series of rhetorical questions regarding the politics in my state and watch you squirm as you try to answer them... and fail miserably at it. However, I'm not that desperate to embarrass you.

Beyond the general rules, there are specific details that make every issue different. Just because you can find the similarities between some parties (and there always will be), it's ignorant of you to assume that you know it all. I have the courage to admit that I don't know enough about UK politics, and I tend to stay out of those discussions on this board. That says a lot more about me than a person such as yourself who thinks they need to be right about everything. So take your declaration of supposed intellectual superiority and shove it up your ass.

It's bloody obvious! If you complain about the previous regime, then employ all the irresponsible, or self serving bastards, associated with all of its failures - then the buck stops with you!

It's not about pointing blame to exonerate one person or party for their shortcomings... it's about making everyone responsible and accountable for their contributions to the mess. No one party is solely responsible for the collapse of our economy. But for many Republicans to blindly play the political game and act as if the actions of the previous administration had little impact to what's going on now is bullshit. And that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out... or a self-proposed "political scholar".
 

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:frown1:You've missed my point.

You've made up things, jibes, & declarations I've meant to have made - again - & used this mythos as a platform to have a pop at me.:confused:

I've no idea how the first line you quoted could be construed as an attack. I thought I was being reasonable. Nevermind. Let's move on.

The US government looks like it was designed for gridlock & compromise. That's pretty wise.
 

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:frown1:You've missed my point.

You've made up things, jibes, & declarations I've meant to have made - again - & used this mythos as a platform to have a pop at me.:confused:

I've no idea how the first line you quoted could be construed as an attack. I thought I was being reasonable. Nevermind. Let's move on.

The US government looks like it was designed for gridlock & compromise. That's pretty wise.


Good post, wish I had your temperament!
 

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astute observation -- corporations are indeed showing unprecedented amounts of cash, cash-flow, and profitability

I had been intending to either post on an existing thread or initiate a new thread on the situation

the reason we have not seen an increase in hiring and employment can broadly be attributable to what can be called the Obama factor

recently, Obama's advisors bitch-slapped him on the effects of his policies "Regime Uncertainty"
--

Regime Uncertainty is the explanation for the effects we saw under Obama's Patron Saint, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, when his policies kept the depression going longer than it should have, and also provides the explanation as to why economic development and investment are hindered in third world countries. The uncertainty of governmental policies:


"...I shall argue here that the economy remained in the depression as late as
1940 because private investment had never recovered sufficiently after its collapse
during the Great Contraction. During the war, private investment fell to
much lower levels, and the federal government itself became the chief investor,
directing investment into building up the nation’s capacity to produce munitions.
After the war ended, private investment, for the first time since the 1920s,
rose to and remained at levels sufficient to create a prosperous and normally
growing economy.
I shall argue further that the insufficiency of private investment from 1935
through 1940 reflected a pervasive uncertainty among investors about the
security of their property rights in their capital and its prospective returns. This
564 ♦ ROBERT HIGGS
uncertainty arose, especially though not exclusively, from the character of
federal government actions and the nature of the Roosevelt administration
during the so-called Second New Deal from 1935 to 1940. Starting in 1940
the makeup of FDR’s administration changed substantially as probusiness
men began to replace dedicated New Dealers in many positions, including
most of the offices of high authority in the war-command economy. Congressional
changes in the elections from 1938 onward reinforced the movement
away from the New Deal, strengthening the so-called Conservative Coalition.
From 1941 through 1945, however, the less hostile character of the
administration expressed itself in decisions about how to manage the warcommand
economy; therefore, with private investment replaced by direct
government investment, the diminished fears of investors could not give rise
to a revival of private investment spending. In 1945 the death of Roosevelt
and the succession of Harry S Truman and his administration completed the
shift from a political regime investors perceived as full of uncertainty to one in
which they felt much more confident about the security of their private property
rights. Sufficiently sanguine for the first time since 1929, and finally
freed from government restraints on private investment for civilian purposes,
investors set in motion the postwar investment boom that powered the
economy’s return to sustained prosperity notwithstanding the drastic reduction
of federal government spending from its extraordinarily elevated wartime
levels...."
http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_01_4_higgs.pdf

At the meeting I referenced, the initial discussion was on tax cuts, but later expanded:

Professor Martin Feldstein of Harvard University was the first to broach the topic of the Bush tax cuts. He outlined three recommendations to the federal government: expand assistance to those homeowners whose mortgages are "under water" (meaning the debt on their property is greater than its actual value), increase assistance to banks that loan to small business (part of the recently passed small business bill) and extend the Bush-era tax cuts for both the nation's middle class and top earners over the next two years, "to keep demand alive at a time when the economy is weak."

William Donaldson, former chair of the Securities and Exchange Commission under President George W. Bush, weighed in at Monday's meeting, agreeing with Feldstein and saying that "uncertainty is depressing aggregate demand" and that the White House needed to provide a "spark to get us off this dead center."

"There's this concern about the business community's attitude about the administration," said Feldstein. "And it's not just the business community -- it's high-income individuals, entrepreneurs and others. The increase in the tax on those individuals is a signal that they're going to have to pay higher taxes, and it may be even more going forward."

Obama at Odds With 2 Recovery Board Advisers Over Bush Tax Cuts

In the discussion, it was clear his advisors felt Obama's policies were not only hindering hiring and investment, but also aggregate consumption by the masses.





I guess I'm again looking for your opinions on an observation I'm making which could be wrong. I'm open for feedback for those with more experience in this field.

It seems to me that corporations are RIGHT NOW sitting on tons of cash and have been doing fairly well in the market. Are they intentionally slowing down the economy in order to MAKE the Obama administration fail? Have they been waiting for a more "user friendly" congress in order to get "their" legislative agendas passed? Have they been "punishing" the American people by not creating jobs and using "confidence" in the economy as a convient excuse?
 

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:frown1:You've missed my point.

I most certainly didn't miss your point.
Based on your own observations, you assumed that politics in America is similar to those in your country. Because of this assumption, you then went on to say that if I was more aware of the politics of other nations, I would somehow be more informed to see the similarities. Bottom line, the response you quoted of me was in response to someone else regarding US politics. Knowing the pros and cons of the decisions our government makes does not require knowing the similarities between US political parties and UK ones.

Also, we are not strangers but we're not friends. We tussled on this board before over similar subjects and each time you've delivered similar backhanded statements which suggest that I would be more enlightened if I saw things your way. Let's not play naive here, nor innocent.

You've made up things, jibes, & declarations I've meant to have made - again - & used this mythos as a platform to have a pop at me.

You shot first and you should know that I do retaliate.

I've no idea how the first line you quoted could be construed as an attack. I thought I was being reasonable.

There's no logic in your reasoning.

The US government looks like it was designed for gridlock & compromise. That's pretty wise.

Our government not perfect, but it does work. What breaks it is the greedy, partisan politicians who are more about playing games for financial gain instead of passing policy. And there's nothing wrong with compromise. That's what happens when two opposing sides come together and solve a problem. You'd think that would be a good thing considering all of the bickering and obstructionism.