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I'm not going to change my habits in the locker room to accomodate a parent who brings his daughter into the locker room/shower area.
I agree with you. This has happened at the water park change room, and I didn't worry about it. That's up to the parents, but I don't feel that I should have to do anything out of the ordinary if I'm in the correct place.
 

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I don't know about the rest of you but I think there is something kind of "sick and perverted" about a father bringing his daughter into the men's locker room. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think a father SHOULD be exhibiting his dick in front of his daughter number one, and number two he should not let his daughter change with and see other men changing and getting naked.
It's just like a mother taking her son into the women's locker room or a mother bathing or taking a shower with her son. A little TOO weird for me. Frankly if someone brought their daughter into the locker room I'd change and get out of there ASAP!!

I not even in favor of a dad bringing his son into the locker room with him, but at least I can UNDERstand that. I just don't think kids should be changing and showering with adults, especially strangers....a bit too weird if you ask me.
 

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I just don't think kids should be changing and showering with adults, especially strangers....a bit too weird if you ask me.

Sorry, I completely disagree with your above statement. Let's not confuse seeing another body naked with sex. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a father brings his 8 year old son into a locker room TO CHANGE HIS CLOTHES.
 
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No little girls in the locker room, period.

If they are there, then they can ask their dads about the metal hanging off my dickhead. Let dad answer that.

Earlier, someone said jockstraps were gay, what? Hsve you ever run 10 mjles or so,
I find it must to avoid the ball ache afterwards.

Did I mention no pigtails in the lockerroom?
Little boys in the looker room, who gives a fuck.
 
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A few years ago (when living in the DC area) I protested a father's decision to bring his (I'm guessing 8-year-old daughter) with him (more than once) to the mens locker room of the gym I belonged to. I told the management that he could be as progressive as he wanted in his child reering but that I had no intention of being an exhibit in his nature class. I also pointed out that, were the decision mine to present myself naked in front of his daughter, he'd certainly have me arrested. He was told to stop bringing his daughter and I didn't see him/them any more in the gym. I don't take a thing back that I said.
Absolutely. A father who brings a child into a room designated for male nudity gets no sympathy if he is uncomfortable with the child witnessing male nudity. The issue here is that the men in that room have a right to the privacy of only having males present in that room. Far from concern for the offending parent's feelings, I would be complaining about him to the management, too. I would even hightail it out of there and flag down a male staff member to bring in and ensure that this father didn't "get away" without this being addressed and prevented from happening again. And I don't care how many European countries have no problem with everyone seeing everyone naked. American culture values privacy, and unless a locker room is designated as coed, people using it should be able to trust that the opposite sex will not be unexpectedly watching them while they are undressed.

Also, I doubt that when men bring their daughters into the locker room, it's some attempt at an open-minded educational experience. If they felt it was important for them to see nude men, they could give them an anatomy book, not surprise gym-goers with a profound invasion of their privacy. But that's not the case at all. It's just an example of how inconsiderate a person can be in selfishly putting their convenience over all, without a thought about respect for other people who will be affected.

Edited to add that I think there's a little more to this question than what's on the surface. The repeated encouragement to discuss whether or not men should allow themselves to be seen in jockstraps is pretty suspect. The question of fully naked men is on the table, and the question of whether a jockstrap is too provocative is worked in as a twist more than once? Come on.
 
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I wouldn't worry about it. Of course I lived in Prague for 16 years where kids of all ages were in the showers and locker rooms and none of them were shy, covered up or gave a hoot. It was just they open way they were raised, I guess. I've seen dads with their daughters too in the showers and after a few times I just gave up trying to be modest - no one else was covering up or turning away so "when in Rome...." became my motto. :)

If dads bring their daughters into the guy's locker room and showers, then they should expect for their little girls to see guy's exposed dicks. If girls are being brought into "male" areas, then they probably have seen penises before anyway. Sure, there should be modesty, but then, parents also have to watch and protect their children. And it's up to the parents to determine the proper levels of modesty. I don't think it should be a big deal, for children are soon going to realize that the world is full of penises and vaginas, and we should let world population grow naturally without restraint, but take responsibility for our children, marry before sex, and be moral.

Doesn't make sense to worry about covering up, in the men's, boy's, locker room or showers. Just do your business and move on, and respect whoever's around.

So I'd say, no need to cover up, as how is that practical anyway?

I'm no "nudist," but I think there's still a few reasonably limited places, where some normal semi-"public" nudity is to be expected.

I also think mothers should feel free to breastfeed in most any public place, when the need arises.
 

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Well, I DO wish our society was more open about casual nudity and sex in general. BUT, it isn't....there are a lot of people that view children as sexual objects...that's why I made the comment about children being naked or seeing strangers naked.

Believe me, I have a friend that I've known since he lived across the hall in the dorm in college. He was a sex offender and spent 18 yrs in jail. He doesn't abuse children anymore but he is NOT cured (if you know what I mean).

So actually, since we don't live in a perfect world where people don't prey on each other, and not everyone is comfortable with nudity, I think it is IRRESPONSIBLE parenting for a father to bring his daughter into a male locker room.
 

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I recently was subjected to the same situation where a father brought his 2 daughters in the lockeroom. They were about ages 8 and 10. I felt really awkward being stared at by these children while I was undressed. Even more disturbing was the two younger males in the lockeroom about 12-14 years old being stared down by the girls. Both the young males were very embarrassed and uncomfortable with the situation and you could tell that they were upset. I really felt bad for the boys, that were at the puberty stage and probably not yet that comfortable with their bodies.
 

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Ok, I was very progressive when raising my daughters. And, as a single father I was faced with how to handle these changing situations when in public (pools, gym, etc.)

Never would I consider bringing them into a Mens locker room where there was going to be nudity. It's a tricky situation, but what I would do is send them into the ladies room and tell them they were not to come out until they heard from me. I would go into the Mens locker room, change, come out, and call for them to come out.

What may be ok in some situations (home, nude beaches, etc) is NOT acceptable in others.
 

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I think that this depends quite a lot on cirumstance. If you were in a public pool changing room on, say, a Saturday morning/afternoon, you would expect parents to bring their children in, and yes, that does mean sometimes girls.
I think in this case, being open (they will all become sexually active one day, so seeing a grown-man's penis should not be a big deal), yet descreet is the best course of action.
I personally, would not cover up, but might turn away when taking my underwear off/putting trunks on, etc. For some reason in my mind, seeing an arse is not as rude or provocative as seeing your cock and balls!

I think that there is no place for children in private gyms anyway, and perhaps after a certain time in the evening, say 8 o'clock, in public swimming baths.
I do however, enjoy being very 'open' with my nudity in changing rooms, as I like to think that I might encourage others to be more comfortable with themselves.
When you get a guy of say, 17, who is a keen swimmer, but wont show any flesh in the changing rooms, I think, 'lighten up a bit, and be relaxed with your body!'
 

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Hummmmm... This is a difficult one. If my experiences are anything to go by (of having been that child once, in the changing room with either dad or mum) then seeing a penis or a vagina didn't cause me any effect. But I assume that it DID at least slightly agitate/annoy the parent that I was with.

As for your example of a 17 year old keen swimmer who should 'lighten up' I think that that is a personal choice. As I got older and became aware of how being a nude child Is completely different to being a nude (or even semi-nude) adult, I decided that my nudity (partial or full) was only for the 'consumption' of those that I deemed ok to access it.

In a more general sense thou, I wouldn't say that being uncomfortable with your own nudity or partial nudity en mass in front of others shows any lack of say self-esteem or in ability to lighten up. Being comfortable with public nudity doesn't show a greater level of relaxation within an individual.
 

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While I do think people ought to be reasonably modest, something like this question, I defer to the parents. If they think girls belong in the male locker-room, that's on them. We guys shouldn't have to go hide somewhere because some little girls come in with their dad, too young to watch themselves or take care of themselves. Even though I might not bring my daughter in, who am I to tell other people how to raise their children?

I also think we ought not get too uptight about such things, as that's far more likely to cause children problems.

When I used to deliver pizza, we had young adults come in and slip into the back to change into their uniform, nobody cared that there was mixed sexes around them. The restroom was but a tiny water closet, no room to even change your mind in there. There was no "show" nor any gawking. They just simply faced the wall, and changed their clothes like nothing was wrong. Isn't that how it ought to be?

I didn't change for other people to see, for I found it easy enough to change into my uniform, before leaving home, but had no objection to how others changed clothes. At least it was back where the customers couldn't see anything.
 

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Even though I might not bring my daughter in, who am I to tell other people how to raise their children?
The other side of that is, who are they to change the climate of a room designated for same-sex nudity by introducing an opposite-sex child without permission?
 

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The other side of that is, who are they to change the climate of a room designated for same-sex nudity by introducing an opposite-sex child without permission?

Small children just go wherever their parents go. Just a fact of life.

Don't expect too much privacy, unless you want to stay at home. There's a whole lot of people out there, in the world.

I wouldn't be much bothered, unless their child is one of those bratty kids that's just bouncing off the walls, tearing up the place.

I don't really care much for a gym membership. Costs too much, to far away, still have to drive there, then you have to use it, else be out your money. Why not put on walking shoes, and walk around the block, or get out a real bicycle and see the country roads?
 

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I'm not so much bothered by the nudity in a mixed setting as I am by the double standard. One time at Disneyland I had just entered the mens room and walked up to a urinal and unzipped. Just after I released the flow, a foreign man walks in with a daughter about 9 or 10 and he used the urinal next to me with the kid in between us. I'm thinking WTF? There were other urinals, why did he have to crowd me? For a split second, I was really pissed, but then I thought "fuck it". I had to go too bad to stop, so I kept pissing with the kid watching both of us. I figured that I'm in the right place, so why should I have to do anything differently? I relaxed, finished and left. In the end it wasn't a big deal, but how would women react if a mother brought a boy that age into the womens room? Oh yeah. They have stalls; no urinals, so the boy wouldn't see anything. The girls got to see both me and her dad in all our glory. Still, women would raise hell. It seems like society dismisses women invading the privacy of men, but if the reverse happens, the guy is going to jail. That's messed up.
 

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I'm not so much bothered by the nudity in a mixed setting as I am by the double standard. One time at Disneyland I had just entered the mens room and walked up to a urinal and unzipped. Just after I released the flow, a foreign man walks in with a daughter about 9 or 10 and he used the urinal next to me with the kid in between us. I'm thinking WTF? There were other urinals, why did he have to crowd me? For a split second, I was really pissed, but then I thought "fuck it". I had to go too bad to stop, so I kept pissing with the kid watching both of us. I figured that I'm in the right place, so why should I have to do anything differently? I relaxed, finished and left. In the end it wasn't a big deal, but how would women react if a mother brought a boy that age into the womens room? Oh yeah. They have stalls; no urinals, so the boy wouldn't see anything. The girls got to see both me and her dad in all our glory. Still, women would raise hell. It seems like society dismisses women invading the privacy of men, but if the reverse happens, the guy is going to jail. That's messed up.

Well I agree. It's the men's room, the urine's already flowing, oh well.

But that sounds really rude to crowd the urinals unnecessarily. Normally, it's courtesy to take a farther away urinal, unless they are all in use, and then in that case, use whatever urinal that opens up for the next user.

And isn't that girl old enough to go by herself or wait outside if she doesn't need to use the facilities? I mean at that age, she's not a tiny little lost girl.
 

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I'm not so much bothered by the nudity in a mixed setting as I am by the double standard. One time at Disneyland I had just entered the mens room and walked up to a urinal and unzipped. Just after I released the flow, a foreign man walks in with a daughter about 9 or 10 and he used the urinal next to me with the kid in between us. I'm thinking WTF? There were other urinals, why did he have to crowd me? For a split second, I was really pissed, but then I thought "fuck it". I had to go too bad to stop, so I kept pissing with the kid watching both of us. I figured that I'm in the right place, so why should I have to do anything differently? I relaxed, finished and left. In the end it wasn't a big deal, but how would women react if a mother brought a boy that age into the womens room? Oh yeah. They have stalls; no urinals, so the boy wouldn't see anything. The girls got to see both me and her dad in all our glory. Still, women would raise hell. It seems like society dismisses women invading the privacy of men, but if the reverse happens, the guy is going to jail. That's messed up.

The father's actions were totally inappropriate in the U.S. However, I suppose that some consideration should be given to the fact that he was a foreign man and may not have been familiar with American customs.
 

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My gym allows children up to age four in either lockerroom and offers staff escort for opposite gender children older than that. A fair number of young boys are there with their fathers and pairs/groups of boys ages 8-12 use it generally without incident. Quite a few teenagers use it, singly or in pairs or groups, again with few if any problems. To me it is desirable for fathers to join with thier sons in the activities and rituals of athleticism and I find it acceptable for younger girls to be in there if the circumstances require it. This lockerroom has open showers and hot tub, sauna, and steam that are generally used in the nude.
 

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Although I don't stay naked for any longer than needed (like some people) I do like the ability to be naked whilst showering, walking back to the locker room, drying off, and getting dressed. My locker room allows girls in up to the age of 8, to me this is not acceptable at all. One time I was walking from the showers totally naked into the locker room and there was a party of about 10x 8 yer old girls with about 3x dads helping them get changed before going for a swim, it felt wrong on so many levels.