Critiquing User-submitted vids

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  1. B_Mademoiselle Rouge

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    Guys, if a user submits a video you shouldn't put negative critiques (even if followed by a compliment) if the member didnt ask for suggestions or opinions about what should be changed.

    I saw the response in Monster76's thread that included things from the lighting, sound, his girlfriends vagina and handjob skills. He is the first member i've seen since my joining in Sept. other than the famous Quercusone who was making homemade videos and allowing us to see them here at LPSG.

    Masturbation videos are the most common submitted and those are getting more rare even. The rarest form is between a member and his significant other. It's a treat to get to see this.

    While its tempting to want to give suggestions on how to make our videos look like professional porn, please don't. We aren't wanting to make generic professional porn videos. We are trying to mimic what most of us do in the privacy of our bedroom because that has chemistry and eroticism.

    While many men could fuck the hell out of anything with fluorescent lights glaring at them, most of us women can't get into the groove on cam if everything about the environment is non-romantic. This means sometimes our camera angles arent that of a camera man, our noises can be muffled and most of all the lighting isnt flattering from the viewers prospective.

    The most important thing is that people are enjoying themselves on cam and showing the chemistry that a couple normally reveals in privacy. This is something we all know that regular porn is lacking severely, mostly because the environment in porn studios is far from erotic and it gets mundane.

    Frankly, the porn isnt all about the cumshot distance or how detailed the pubic hair is in view. Its about enjoying watching a couple endulge in one another and actually loving every minute of it.

    All i'm saying is to think carefully about how you comment on our videos because our feelings are out on our sleeve about our work. We are often mimicking what we like to see and do and that might not be what you like to see.

    Most of all- i think more women would be likely to have their rendezvous captured on cam if the men would try to stop making them perform like pornstars.

    If you want this board to have nothing but links to vids from other people, fine. But i thought some of the flare here was embracing and encouraging user submissions. I, for one, would like to see more of them and i know why i was discouraged to post them here and now i'm seeing that Monster76 is likely to make the same decision if this is what the mood is like over here.
     
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    Hey there MR (BHR).

    (wag, wag, wag)
     
  3. B_Mademoiselle Rouge

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    You are out roaming around arent you? I never see you in this yard!
     
  4. snoozan

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    I won't post pics anymore either for this reason. It used to be that LPSG was very supportive and warm about rating photos and videos, but it's not that way any longer. A lot of people who used to get comments get none, and it seems like people are less interested in genuine photos of genuine people and more interested in porn-like whack off material. It'll be a cold day in hell before I post much of anything in my gallery again.
     
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    lol, well, he was tall with big hairy feet so I followed him home but he chased me away with a stick. So I though I come snuffling around here to see what's been going on. Glad you're back.
     
  6. B_Mademoiselle Rouge

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    I don't think self made stuff goes over here too well anymore either. It seems like its about finding porn that is amateur and posting the link here, only to click on it and find out its professional porn trying to look like amateur. It's disappointing.

    I used to get tired of jack off vids because thats all there were, but now i kind of miss them. There is some charm to knowing the person in the video from LPSG.

    I figured out on the Big Tits thread that the guys find it more exhilirating to see well known people or people who are real and complete strangers to them. I think that few actually get off on the videos submitted by users.

    It's also sad that people spend so much time in the pro porn world that they can't enjoy anything that doesnt look like it. Amateur was a category i quickly fell in love with and now i'm really pissed the pro porn has been trying to fool everyone by making "amateur" vids. They should get a clue about how their fake people in such insanely bright lighting with their typical verbage isnt fooling anyone.

    I put up professional erotic photos in my gallery and they got a fraction of the clicks and comments, so i dont get it, i really dont.
     
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    I don't have time to waste looking at substandard porn. I am a professional videographer and know what I am talking about when I critique a video. Bad lighting makes grain and noise more visible resulting in skin that looks like it has worms crawling over it. Digital cameras CRAVE light and NEED it. How the hell is someone gonna be so comfortable in their body to make a video that the entire world could look at but want the lighting to not be too bright as to really illuminate their bodies and actions? This makes no sense... if someone needs the lights down low to in order to feel comfortable to make a movie, then DON'T MAKE ONE!

    I said that Monster76's girlfriend took only three inches at best and that was the TRUTH! I also said that she had the worst grip on a cock that I have ever seen and SHE DID! I was kind in my criticism, don't push me.
    If you are brave enough to post videos, be brave enough to accept fair criticism.

    I have no use for substandard porn even if it is made by a member to a website that I belong to.

    All monster76 has to do is keep his chin up and try another... keeping my simple suggestions in mind. If he does, he will have an AWESOME video featuring two attractive bodies engaging in hot and serious sex.

    He has had a good attitude about it, but you are running your mouth about his videos attracting even more attention to the matter... why?
     
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    Sweetie, if you don't have time for substandard porn, don't watch amateur. Plain and simple. Did you go back and read in his original thread, his feelings were hurt. I'm speaking on behalf of anyone who is on the wrong end of your "i'm a videographer" highhorse.

    How many people do you think are videographers that like to watch and make amateur porn. I for one don't find the bright lighting attractive in porn, thus i'm not going to do it. I don't want to hear about what you don't like about it, i didnt ask and neither did he.

    We submit what we are proud of and maybe you'd crank out something that pro porn lovers would love, i for one would laugh at it because i find pro porn to be an absolute joke.
     
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    Elaborate your "other sites" comment, because i dont remember submitting them anywhere else. Unless you know something i dont.
     
  10. Monster76

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    everybody just cool out.
    my feelings are not hurt, i love a good crit like the rest of them.
    but come on tripod
    just because you own a DVX and sucribe to filmaker mag dosn't meen your a pro.

    your splitting hairs here so - she has a weird grip....on my cock that she was jacking off. at that moment do you think i was worried about her grip?
    it felt good none the less.

    ill put amature porn in the post and the next time....don't click it.
     
  11. B_Mademoiselle Rouge

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    Tripod, i used to talk to people the way you do. I find its a lot more satisfying to care a little more about others than just how good it feels to let loose on people.

    There's a lot of things i do better than the average person, sometimes its better to not comment or be nice than to be a complete ass because you know more about it than that person does.

    There's something wrong with you if you can't see that when people put up pictures or their own videos here that they are excited about what they made and really don't take well to the criticism from the know it all.

    You're just plain rude and maybe that gets you off or makes you feel better about yourself but your emotionally tone-deaf approach to situations like this shows a lot more about you than it does anyone else you are squabbling with.
     
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    I deleted the comment, it was a bit much... I did however mean xtube.

    You are right!

    But why would his feelings be hurt because his girlfriend screwed him in a shallow manner or handled his cock sheepishly? He needs to dust himself off, get back on his horse and get to ridin' again.

    I couldn't crank out anything that looks like pro porn 'cause I am 20 pounds overweight and would look like a real douche, plus the women I have sex with are not the thinnest of creatures either! lol!!

    The bright lights are because the colors are more accurate and noise and grain are reduced with more light, giving the digital camera enough information to make a pleasing, life like image. Monster 76's lighting was just fine.

    Is it horrible if we want to see your bod in higher definition? I wanted to see a close-up of your hubby's thick assed cock entering your tiny snatch! It is only pro-porn if they are being paid to do it. There is nothing wrong with making high resolution amateur videos my dear. You have many fans here! :tongue:

    With the advent of high definition TV, Blu-ray discs and great compression schemes like Divx, the average person has a higher bar for image quality. The trick is how to achieve that look on a budget and I can honestly tell you that not having enough light is one of the worst ways to achieve a good and solid image.

    I mentioned that I was a videographer in order that you would take my advice on producing the best quality image possible, not to be a punk about it! Forgive me if I sounded smug... I only make wedding videos! lol!!
     
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    Tripod, i think for the same reason why you dont make pro porn is the same reason why the female participants in amateur porn aren't too keen about having the lampshades off of every lamp in the house glaring at their naked body. We don't have porn bodies either.

    His wife did have an incredible body, but she might be insecure a tad like the rest of us normal people. I, for one, do fetish modeling and i'm constantly getting told not to be so bothered by a little dimpling on my thighs or ass in photos. It's very hard to think like a guy and not have the typical female insecurity about any body fat.

    Some of us also have skin flaws and whatnot that might not look so great on camera. Hell, i'm starting to realize that there isnt much noticed other than pussy cock and mouth in videos because i've seen some pretty nasty ingrown hairs, ass bumps and whatnot and they still get good ratings.

    I'm a bit too much of a perfectionist to have the video in hi-def on my own body. I can hide in the shadows and put the videos to public view if i know everyone cant see every little thing that i hate.

    Might i also add that my own videos have pretty damn good quality on my own PC, when i upload them to public porn servers they downgrade the quality immensely.
     
  14. snoozan

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    I'm a professional photographer and I have to disagree with you here. Yes, I look at a lot of the photos on here that are from webcams or point and shoot digicams and I know the lighting is bad and the quality is awful, but I'm able to suspend that when looking at things done by non-professionals who just want to share parts of themselves with others. Do you really want me to go into your gallery and give you a mini-tutorial on how to better take photos of your cock because the lighting is shitty and the image quality is low? I doubt it. You want people to say nice things about your cock. If I can't say something kind about a gallery photo, I don't say anything at all. It's such an intimate thing that people share and they make themselves so vulnerable that it's not the best place to start having critiques. A lot of your photos suffer from low light, too much grain, and bad color balance, which are just as bad in stills as it is in video, maybe worse. I also don't go into friends houses and tell them the snapshots they have on their walls or desks look like shit. It's rude, they don't want to hear it, and what is important to me in a photo isn't always what's important to them. If you're a professional videographer, you should know this anyway from working with clients.
    You know as well as I do that a lot of people find the look of a pumped penis to be objectionable. I'm sure you don't want to get comments about that ad nauseum in your gallery. So why are you being so hard on his girlfriend? You wouldn't like hearing that about your cock or your partner, would you? If not, be polite and don't say anything. You're part of the old crowd around here, and you should know better than to be so harsh on people when they are posting such intimate parts of their lives.
    The point is, he didn't ask for your professional opinion. Didn't you mother ever teach you that unsolicited advice is rarely appreciated?
     
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    I didn't say anything looked like shit Snoozan and the photos with low light are from when all I had was a cell phone for a dig camera. Still the image quality is adequate... and so what if the color balance is shifted to the warm side on my pics... skintones look pleasing with extra yellows and reds. Blue and green people look strange...

    I have been there and done that sister, and SCREW YOU for bringing it up... I didn't say ANYTHING about his cock or your fucking tits Snoozan! You are just trying to hurt my feelings and it's not working 'cause I could care less, although you have pissed me off.

    I have a right to give him some helpful pointers on how to make a better video, are you saying that I don't? My mother always taught me to help my fellow man...

    I said that his lighting was just fine what the hell is your problem Snoozan? I criticized his girl for putting out a substandard effort, that was all.

    Are you done with your poop flinging?
     
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    What is all the jibber jabber about? Porn is porn, whether shot by candle light or klieg light. The object is to get the viewer as hot as the participants in the video. And as long as we can see the individual, couple, trio, group, or horde fucking, sucking, and cumming, that is all that matters. If you want lighting, camera angles, and plot line, go to the theater and watch a movie. If you want to watch porn, have your dick hard, your hand ready, and the tissue close.
     
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    I am just trying to make a point that digital cameras depend on light to make an image, the more light, the better quality the image is... that's all. I didn't mention anything about plotlines or camera angles.
     
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    The image quality is suitable for you, but you're not a professional photographer. I'm sure monster76s videos are suitable for him and for many people wanting to see amateur, homemade porn.
    Look, I'm not critiquing your cock. I drew a direct parallel to what this thread is about-- which is giving people unsolicited, unkind opinions on something in their gallery. I no more support someone saying something shitty about your cock in your gallery than I do someone saying something shitty about monster76's vids and how bad his girlfriend is at giving a handjob. You flying off the handle and getting so angry only proves my point.
    As I said, if he didn't ask for your pointers, he didn't want them.
    Saying his girlfriend put out a substandard effort is insulting and unkind, the same as someone saying something negative about your cock. If that's flinging poop, I still stand behind it.
     
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    Cut the crap Snoozan... the image quality is fine for an amateur gallery... they aren't meant to be looked at on anything but a computer. They will never be printed out or put in a book or magazine... there is no reason why you should hold my pictures up to the likes of professional photographers. I don't even have a Goddamn SLR, it's only a point and shoot... I hardly ever use it, but the fucking cock is illuminated and in crisp enough definition to be palatable, you are just talkin' smack.

    Again... I told Monster76 that I liked his lighting... I thought that it was artistic and to be honest with you, it illuminated the action quite well with VERY little grain and noise... I was impressed.

    I have just been extolling the virtues of better lighting in VIDEO situations Snoozan... the CCD's and CMOS chips in digital cameras are much more suited to generating a more pleasing image in low light. Low light just RUINS video... and Monster76's lighting was GOOD, I praised him for it.

    This whole issue hinges on one thing.

    You think that the fact that I said that his girl's efforts were weak

    is equal to me saying something derogatory or inflammatory about someone's physical appearance.

    I don't think that they are.

    I think that helpful criticism is not equal to someone's negative opinion and my observation was not an opinion

    You are acting like I was talking smack about his video!

    All I said was to make sure that his girl takes more of his cock next time, and to maybe use her whole hand, when she masturbated him.

    What the fuck is so rude about that?
    :confused:

    Helpful criticism... really just a couple of suggestions for a better video in the future

    Y'all need to stop blowin' this up just because you don't like me.
     
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