Cuomo vs. Obama - Leadership

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Obama or Cuomo?

Which pro-business conservative would be better?

I mean Cuomo had gay marriage passed under him so we can have liberals rationalizing the rest of his terrible agenda for a few months at least.
 

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I actually believe that Cuomo would have an even harder time of it than BHO.

You have a point there. If we go by the 2010 election, we can see that results weren't too kind to a lot of outspoken progressive Democrats in Congress. Feingold, Grayson, Sestak and several others failed to win re-election.

Cuomo, OTOH, is a real-life, home-grown progressive who inherited his father's passion (if not much of his rhetorical skills). Obama's the enemy they never saw coming, whereas Cuomo is a poster-boy for progressive social activism, just as Perry and Bachmann are for reactionaries and Teabaggers. Were he to run in 2016, expect to see all the usual barbs and arrows launched his way with none of the convoluted verbiage and dog-whistle politics Obama gets.

There were actually a number of signs floating around during the NYC Pride parade saying "Cuomo 2016" after same sex marriage legislation passed. Unless Cuomo does something epically foolish I'm sure he's got the majority of the LBGT vote on lockdown (at least in New York) if he decides to run for President. That's going to be an easy target for the the Perrys & Bachmanns to focus on to rally their base as you stated earlier.

It is, of course, impossible to predict what Congress and the Senate will look like that far into the future: it all depends on the economy, I think.

Me thinks you're on the right path here too. If things like the Unemployment rate still linger around 9.1% without any significant moves to do something about it, Obama could turn water into gold bullion during his campaign and it wouldn't help him in 2012 with some people.
 

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Those outspoken progressives had to answer for the centre right agenda they were given. Just sayin...Perhaps Obama should have NOT taken single payer off the table-started from there. SO what if they call it government run healthcare. They could have turned everything over to the private insurers, and the Republicans still would have called him a socialist. Once he was aware that Republicans weren't going to be negotiating in good faith, he should have hammered that point home, then turned around and hammered home the point that the Tea Baggers were batshit crazy.
 

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Those outspoken progressives had to answer for the centre right agenda they were given. Just sayin...Perhaps Obama should have NOT taken single payer off the table-started from there. SO what if they call it government run healthcare. They could have turned everything over to the private insurers, and the Republicans still would have called him a socialist. Once he was aware that Republicans weren't going to be negotiating in good faith, he should have hammered that point home, then turned around and hammered home the point that the Tea Baggers were batshit crazy.

The president of the US does not have the privilege of alienating the large swaths of the population as the Republican party and the Teabaggers: he is everyone's president, even if many don't quite see it that way.

It's reason #4 why, time and again, he' proven to be the adult in the room.
 

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The president of the US does not have the privilege of alienating the large swaths of the population as the Republican party and the Teabaggers: he is everyone's president, even if many don't quite see it that way.

It's reason #4 why, time and again, he' proven to be the adult in the room.

You say that as if they were ever even going to consider voting for him.

Frankly, we need a progressive third party candidate but American's are too blinded to ever vote outside the two major parties (which are too similar anyway).
 

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The president of the US does not have the privilege of alienating the large swaths of the population as the Republican party and the Teabaggers: he is everyone's president, even if many don't quite see it that way.

It's reason #4 why, time and again, he' proven to be the adult in the room.

Actually single payer has always polled at about 70%, though that might have changed with the heavy PR campaign AHIP put around the PPACA.

He's proven to be bought the insurance industry. Why else would have you Baucus right a healthcare bill?
 

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The president of the US does not have the privilege of alienating the large swaths of the population as the Republican party and the Teabaggers: he is everyone's president, even if many don't quite see it that way.

It's reason #4 why, time and again, he' proven to be the adult in the room.

At least a good president wouldn't do this. Our previous one did on various occasions and we can see how history is currently treating him.