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And what about your dad? Was he a great man? Or is it just a woman`s job to be a 'great woman'?
Sorry love, I don`t know much about you, but reading from what you write it seems that you believe men are somehow superior to women. I could be very wrong, and I apologise in advance.

It sounds, if she can be believed to be rational, that she is giving her mother the credit for bring superior , as somehow it was in the mother's power to control her husband's behavior, who was malleable. That is, if her summary of the married life of two adults can be taken at face value. Some people who are skeptics might read that and think she is sugar coating things, symplifying the issue, or even in some stepford la la land .
 

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Dolfette and Banisters, yes, I read the article, and yes, I understand what was and was not in it. I'm just suggesting that there's a very simple, common-sense explanation for the phenomenon this is being made out as.

Ah, but you said:

A young man is living with a woman who is hormonal from pregnancy recovery, plus there's a suddenly a screaming new baby in the house who doesn't let either of them sleep for more than an hour at a time. Do we really need to make up a chemical psychobiological explanation for why he's tired and not in the mood for sex?

Which strongly implies you think the scientists took any note of whether these new dads were 'in the mood' or not. They didn't. There is no mention of them looking at behviour at all - they just measured the testosterone of these men.

You clearly state you think the chemical explanation is 'made up' - it isn't - It is, in the men tested, a measured fact.

I hope that helps you understand why I think you did not read, or perhaps did but did not understand, the article. You make two statements that clearly contradict the content of the article.

So what 'phenomenon'? No behaviour has been observed.
 

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It sounds, if she can be believed to be rational, that she is giving her mother the credit for bring superior , as somehow it was in the mother's power to control her husband's behavior, who was malleable. That is, if her summary of the married life of two adults can be taken at face value. Some people who are skeptics might read that and think she is sugar coating things, symplifying the issue, or even in some stepford la la land .
it comes down to love, respect, communication and listening and not competing to wear the pants in the family.
 

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why does one person have to wear the pants?

They don't...I came from a family background that dad was the final word, he was waited on by my mother hand and foot, when dad hollered everyone jumped to see what dad wanted....I have broken that mold, or should I say I also married a very head strong A type personality woman. We talk to each other to make decisions, and I do not expect her to wait on me, or do my laundry, or anything else that is just for me, we share the responsibilities and so far it has worked. Also our daughters are head strong A type personalities and I love it. I feel sorry for anyone who lives in a one sided relationship.
 

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BBC News - Fatherhood 'lowers testosterone to keep men loyal'

makes for an interesting read.
any of you relate to this?

Heck yes I can relate to this, when our first daughter came along I would hardly let anyone hold her, I enjoyed bottle feeding her and diaper changing did not bother me. I had a male friend tell me if I could grow breasts and breast feed I would, I think he was jealous of me being able to be nurturing. Now here I am older and if my testosterone dropped than, it really went into the well when I turned 40, I am on hormone supplement now Aldosterone gel once a day to keep my testosterone level up in a normal range. That was a very interesting article, Thanks Dolfette...
 

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i am so kinda *not kinda, really super a lot* missing Ms. Petite.
she'd have something to say about TheBoyfriend.
*hugs to the firmament, leaves landing up to chance*
 

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i am so kinda *not kinda, really super a lot* missing Ms. Petite.
she'd have something to say about TheBoyfriend.
*hugs to the firmament, leaves landing up to chance*

I thought about Petite and TheBF earlier in this thread!!! I remember discussing this very topic with her around when TheBaby was born - can't remember if it was in a thread or in a PM.