Dean from SCM on Tyra Show

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It's not political and it's certainly not mysterious or complicated. It's the age-old forbidden fruit thing--just ask Eve. We crave what we don't think we can get, but certainly don't try stopping. Is it entirely fair? No, but that's the way it is and I wouldn't expect that to change in the near future.

(And no, it's not self-loathing or anything else pejorative; those ideas come from overly analytical people who have had far too much "therapy."
INVISI responds: If this comment is implying that I am being hyper-analytical and have had "therapy"...
I haven't had any therapy. I am sane. I am of sound mind. I don't have any psychoses or malevolent thought disorders. I don't believe that I have been overly analytical about the "gay-for-pay" scenario. I hate the implications that some how some gay men feel about straight men. Honestly, I am attracted to some of the hetero celebs but not because they are hetero...but because they look sexy to me. And I have met a lot of gay men that are hot and sexy in that way but not because they look hetero...but because they look good.)

All I know is, if I were interested in a porn career and I were bi or gay and able to pull off a somewhat convincing "straight" persona, I'd be telling those producers that I'm 100% straight, never even had a gay thought run through my head. From what I've read, it appears that assures a bigger paycheck for the performance. Maybe, just maybe, a few other guys have figured that out, too.

Yeah, I understand that incentives behind doing the "gay-for-pay" scenario. Again I am not hating on those that are in that certain frame of mind or are doing that.

I am looking at the porn genre from a different angle. When I watch the "gay-for-pay" sites like STRAIGHT COLLEGE MEN, I am really disconnected watching these guys because they aren't turned on...they are only in it for the money. A lot of money. And the guy that is the host/ cameraman. He creeps me out. I feel like he is exploiting those guys. I just hope those straight guys are totally smart enough to save the money that they make on that site.

I can watch JAKE CRUISE'S "Straight Guys for Gay Guys" site because I know that those guys are really into those women that they are fucking. It is hot seeing a guy actually being turned on by the girl.

 

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I understand Dean left SCM a few years ago and has his own site/doing his own thing
(if its the same Dean?--or is there another--dont think anyone could replace THE original Dean of SCM)
Also he is a member here on LPSG
enz

well he doesnt have a large penis. in fact, it's pretty average. in every video i have ever seen of him, he can't manage to get it completely hard.

so i guess he just likes to lurk on here.
 

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Interesting observation whatthefuck
40 posts since Aug 08 seems to me yr lurking more than he
Thing is .. dont think he has claimed to as having a LARGE penis unlike others here
(is it a requirement here?? i DONT think so--whats yrs btw?? naah i am NOT nterested)
and from what i have read on many threads lpsg.. not a lot of xtra lge Penis get fully hard.. either
no doubt the owners sure wish/profess they do
are you another that can only post in the NEGATIVE
enz
 
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I've been a huge Dean fan from the moment I laid eyes on him on SCM years ago and, unlike some, I did pay to watch. I'll have to check out the new site.

To address some of what invisibleman said, I do agree with gays being marginalized and I do hate that. I'm reading The Man Who Invented Rock Hudson: The Pretty Boys and Dirty Deals of Henry Willson and it pisses me off how GAY (not bi) men like Rock, Tab Hunter, Cary Grant and Anthony Perkins among many others had to play STRAIGHT just to make a living in their chosen professions. That was wrong. However, I don't feel anyone is being victimized in the gay for pay scenario. For one, I don't buy for a nanosecond that any of the guys in those situations are heterosexual: bi, yes; str8, hell fucking no. Anyway, there's plenty of straight porn for straight people to do if they want it.

Still, it's hot. I'm 100% gay, always have been and have absolutely NO interest in being sexual with a woman at all. Nevertheless, I really do enjoy straight porn. The point: Fantasy is one thing and...Wait. I just thought of Dean naked. I have to jerk off now :O)
 

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I watched the show as well, and I had a lot of mixed feelings about it.

First, it's really hard to call all those guys gay-for-pay when they're all clearly doing different things. It's not a fair comparison among three guys who bartend at gay bars versus three guys who shoot adult content for the pleasure of gay men. I waited tables for a few years throughout school, and I can tell you that flirting was something I had to do to maximize my tips. The persons that seemed most appreciating of it were middle-aged women, bachelorette parties, and gay men (who were more "obvious"). I can hold a tray and dish out food just fine, but doing the crazier stuff like rubbing the gay guy's shoulder or giving a brief lapdance or hopping on top of the table were things that you just had to do to make that extra cheddar. Hell, a party of strippers certainly appreciated it. I scored a stiff margarita and half my rent money in a single evening.

I'm sure that money factors in heavily for a lot of these guys. Think about it. It's enticing on its face. Now, the guys featured do more explicit behaviors, but you can still score some decent scratch sticking to mutual masturbation or showing off or body worship or any of those genres. In the adult industry, you have a short marketable shelf life. You have to stay in good shape, keep your face, get into riskier business to keep your fan base happy. If you don't, someone else will. Porn guys get into their 30s and find that the producers have moved on; youth sells as much as cock size. Assuming they're at least in their mid-twenties, they have ten years to make a solid income to support themselves and their families and to stash away the rest in savings. I would be brutally honest and say that their prospects after porn are relatively low. Kurt talked about getting fired from Subway. Could you imagine trying to go to college, getting your degree so that you could get a decent business job or go into law school, only to get busted on your background checks? YES. It's real; it doesn't take much to get you figured.

Beyond that, the guys have to struggle to retain a straight identity. I don't know how they do it; I couldn't begin to tell you. I heard a lot about dissociation -- watching the porn, getting your dick going a bit, and then just mentally blocking everything out. I could buy that if you're on the set bathing in studio lights or having people give directions off-camera. Maybe they pretend to focus on their girlfriends or wives. Maybe they think of the payoff. Maybe they just look for whatever feels good in any of it and latch on. No idea. Either way, it definitely seems like a "different" way to have sex, unlike the ease of looking in your partner's eyes while going to town. In any sense, a lot of dissociative behaviors spread out over time can lead to some emotional and self-conceptual breakdowns. It's just really tiring to either pretend to hold up someone else's fantasy or pretend to hold on something that doesn't fit you. AJ especially seemed like someone bothered by getting asked about his sexuality.

Finally, I didn't really care for what the editor from The Advocate said. If he really saw this as a big issue, why doesn't he take issue with the porn companies that are catering to the gay-for-pay genre? Or, if he's upset about flirting with unattainable bartenders, why doesn't he request the managers to stop hiring them? Or, if he's equally concerned about how porn introduces and entices people into drug culture, then why doesn't he scorn the companies that have bareback-sex procedures? I don't think it's fair game to call out these guys for what they do without considering the structural elements to each of these industries. That's where the problem lies. These guys are just trying to get by.
 

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Dean is a Bisexual man that just hasn't admitted it yet. Dean is reaping the benefits of both worlds. personally I found nothing wrong with. it being Bisexual myself. It is just a hard label to admit too. believe me I know.
 
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Dean is a Bisexual man that just hasn't admitted it yet. Dean is reaping the benefits of both worlds. personally I found nothing wrong with. it being Bisexual myself. It is just a hard label to admit too. believe me I know.


i know i sound like a stuck record...but i'am straight 100%...........this job was a one time thing on 2scm.com doing a nude photo shot that i just didn't leave because i needed the money, and when someone handing you 100 bill notes you do what you have to.......
 
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rekrap, I think he's old enough to make up his own mind. If he says he's 100% straight, then he is. Money does a lot.

If I were a straight guy and someone would give me a lot of money, I would do what Dean does.
 
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rekrap, I think he's old enough to make up his own mind. If he says he's 100% straight, then he is. Money does a lot.

If I were a straight guy and someone would give me a lot of money, I would do what Dean does.


thanks dude........
its a shame that people feel the need to have to lable people as one thing or another.....we are who we are..........its a simple as that!!!!
 

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Dean: I get 100% straight and all but in every shoot where you had to do anything with a guy did you really have to put on a big act and make it looked like you were so sickened by what you were doing you were going to throw up? some of the faces you pulled really were a major turn off, your a beautiful man with a beautiful bod and beautiful cock but sometimes you gave the impression you were homophobic.

A person secure in their sexuality can experiment with other expressions of sexuality for whatever reason with no fear that they will ever be anything other than what the believe themselves to be.
 

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Dean: I get 100% straight and all but in every shoot where you had to do anything with a guy did you really have to put on a big act and make it looked like you were so sickened by what you were doing you were going to throw up? some of the faces you pulled really were a major turn off, your a beautiful man with a beautiful bod and beautiful cock but sometimes you gave the impression you were homophobic.

A person secure in their sexuality can experiment with other expressions of sexuality for whatever reason with no fear that they will ever be anything other than what the believe themselves to be.


i'm secure in the way i'am but when i started on scm i realy didn't want 2 have another guys cock in my mouth or anywhere else for that matter....it's only as time went on that i started to be ok with what i was being asked to do on the shoots....
i'm sorry if i came across homophobic but in my defence i was way..way outside my comfort zone
 
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i'm secure in the way i'am but when i started on scm i realy didn't want 2 have another guys cock in my mouth or anywhere else for that matter....it's only as time went on that i started to be ok with what i was being asked to do on the shoots....
i'm sorry if i came across homophobic but in my defence i was way..way outside my comfort zone


We all have differing opinions with the viewing of yr earlier days Dean
I dont believe you need to apologize for any behaviour you exhibited
I also think for sure .. that guy with the beard..in those first vids of yrs..displayed more Homophobic behaviour..bordering on a DISGUST look...than you ever did
At least you had that SMILE and Laugh with it all
Also while i am at it..i never ever thought much of the Boss/Director fella of SCM (of course you would/could never say anything against him??) but i got the distinct feeling he was continually taking great delight at the way you were developing
ASSHOLE...i was xtra happy you left the guy and SCM..?? and i noted he went downhill for a period (after you his Mainstay at the time\before he picked up .. if he did/has
My Thoughts anyway
Cheers fr yr success in the Industry
enz
(if i am wrong yr welcome to say so - i can handle being wrong without prejudice..ha)
 

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well we wont go in2 that in here....but yeah there were some reasons for leaving and he is behind some of them.....
 
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well we wont go in2 that in here....but yeah there were some reasons for leaving and he is behind some of them...

Any guy who can pay a lot of money on some young straight guys to have sex with each other, take them on a lot of expensive trips, put them up, phase them out, and talk bad about the "old" bunch on his website while acclimating fresh new young straight models :rolleyes:. THAT MAN has to be one evil motherfucker. And he is getting more out of the ordeal...
think about it for a while.
 

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i wouldn't go asfar as saying he's evil.....but i don't think he knows how the way he treats his models afects them.......