death is the end?

What do you guys think will happen to us at death?


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I believe someone's soul and energy can live on, but everything else goes kaputt.
For anyone who's played Final Fantasy 7, the 'lifestream' is a pretty close estimation to what I imagine happens myself; I don't know if there is a real life school of thought or belief the same as this, though I know of some fairly similar notions.

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Energy no matter can be created nor destroyed. Because of this, I speculate that death is not the end. I also, however, have no idea if there is a heaven or hell.


Yes, neither matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, it can however be transformed, and in that transformation the form that the matter/energy was in can be entirely destroyed to form an entirely new thing leaving nothing of the previous form intact.

A living body does not become subject to the First Law of Thermodynamics until the state we call "Death". Why is that? Because the First Law is about 'Closed Systems'. Living bodies are 'Open Systems' till they can no longer take in what it needs to remain living; that is food, water, and oxygen for a human.

That being said, it is a demonstrable fact that the destruction of the human form by the transformation process that we call 'decay', which begins upon death, can entirely destroy all of what makes us who we are. There is no evidence at all that the electro/chemical processes in the form of neuronal matrices within the brain which contains your memories, creates emotions, and is the biological equivalant to a computer which has the ability to think for itself, will survive the death of the organ that generates it, and if it did it would not be able to think, feel emotion, or have any memories since those are functions of the brain, and without those things who you are as a person could not exist.
 

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Yes, neither matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, it can however be transformed, and in that transformation the form that the matter/energy was in can be entirely destroyed to form an entirely new thing leaving nothing of the previous form intact.

A living body does not become subject to the First Law of Thermodynamics until the state we call "Death". Why is that? Because the First Law is about 'Closed Systems'. Living bodies are 'Open Systems' till they can no longer take in what it needs to remain living; that is food, water, and oxygen for a human.

That being said, it is a demonstrable fact that the destruction of the human form by the transformation process that we call 'decay', which begins upon death, can entirely destroy all of what makes us who we are. There is no evidence at all that the electro/chemical processes in the form of neuronal matrices within the brain which contains your memories, creates emotions, and is the biological equivalant to a computer which has the ability to think for itself, will survive the death of the organ that generates it, and if it did it would not be able to think, feel emotion, or have any memories since those are functions of the brain, and without those things who you are as a person could not exist.

You could be right but what is the mind ? how you would know for sure that the mind is only physical process of the brain . the mind after all can not percieve itself
 

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Cloud was hot and still is lol

I prefered Tifa myself. :tongue:


Hmm, this thread has got me thinking about such things, and so i went to grab the explanation of the 'lifestream' from Wikipedia for y'all and found a few interesting things. I'm in the mood to research similar real-life theories now, I'll report back sometime soon. :smile:
Housed below the Planet's surface, the Lifestream is considered the lifeblood and very spirit of the Planet. This river of green ethereal energy (called "Spirit Energy") is characterized as a swell of souls of those who have lived and died in the past, a collective consciousness with strong similarities to the Oversoul of transcendentalist philosophy, the Atman-Brahman God concept of Hinduism, or certain Gaia theories. In particular, the Lifestream concept is identical to the Gaia Theory depicted in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, in which living things (plants, animals, and human beings) are given energy by the spirit of the Planet prior to birth, live out their lives, and then die, with the energy then returning to the Planet. During an organism's lifetime, they have experiences from which they gain memories, and once they die, their Spirit Energy returns to the Planet, taking with it the memories of the life form to which it had been attached. These memories in turn give rise to more Spirit Energy, allowing the Planet's spirit as a whole to grow, and the cycle of life to continue
 

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The Virgin Mary appeared to 2 of the Medjugorje visionaries when they were children. She took them on a tour of hell , purgatories , and heaven.
They described the part of hell they visited as having a giant flame which human being were circling. One of the visionaries described heaven as the " best of the best " with everyone being the same { no one was too thin or heavy }.
The Virgin Mary has been appearing in medjugorje , yugoslavia daily since 1981 despite the considerable efforts of the yugoslavian government to stop her appearances including bombing medjugorje. They finally allowed 3 different commissions of international experts in the sciences and medicines to study the apparitions. " It is extremely noteworthy that the reported apparitions in medjugorje are the first apparitions in history to be throughly investigated by science." The first team leader was Professor Henri Joyeaux then one of the leading medical experts in the world and an atheist { probably at the insistence of the yugoslavian government ]. The third commission of 17 renowned scientists , physicians etc. concluded " The forementioned commission confirms the conclusions of the previous international commissions, who for their part , prove that apparitions , to which the visonaries testifiy , are a phenomenon which SURPASSES modern science and all points to another level of happening " { this is a scientific study hence they can't use the terms heaven and hell which are meainingless to science }.
Another way of putting it is " A french team of experts headed by henri joyeaux also undertook a very serious work of of the examination of the visionaries. Employing the most modern equipment and expertise , it examined the internal reactions of the visionaries before , during and after the apparitions. " Their results included " The interesting results of a hearing test before and after the apparition showed normal hearing , but during the apparition , an imput of ninety decibals { equivalent to a loud reaction ] showed No reaction. Auditory evoked potential measurement { electrical activity of the ear } indicates normal ear activity with no transmission to the inner ear during the apparition. It is a measureable inhibition of hearing that is involuntary and inexplicable physioogically ." Five or six people CANNOT lose their hearing simultaneously {when the Blessed Virgin Mary allegely appears} and have it returned when the apparition ends. { as far a i know once you lose your hearing it will not return } It is also interesting that when thanked for his role in freeing poland from communism Pope Paul replied " no , not me but by the works of the Blessed Virgin Mary according to her affirmations at fatima and medjugorje ". The church after years of scrutiny have given medjugorje a kind of provisonal approval.
 

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The Virgin Mary appeared to 2 of the Medjugorje visionaries when they were children. She took them on a tour of hell , purgatories , and heaven.
They described the part of hell they visited as having a giant flame which human being were circling. One of the visionaries described heaven as the " best of the best " with everyone being the same { no one was too thin or heavy }.
The Virgin Mary has been appearing in medjugorje , yugoslavia daily since 1981 despite the considerable efforts of the yugoslavian government to stop her appearances including bombing medjugorje. They finally allowed 3 different commissions of international experts in the sciences and medicines to study the apparitions. " It is extremely noteworthy that the reported apparitions in medjugorje are the first apparitions in history to be throughly investigated by science." The first team leader was Professor Henri Joyeaux then one of the leading medical experts in the world and an atheist { probably at the insistence of the yugoslavian government ]. The third commission of 17 renowned scientists , physicians etc. concluded " The forementioned commission confirms the conclusions of the previous international commissions, who for their part , prove that apparitions , to which the visonaries testifiy , are a phenomenon which SURPASSES modern science and all points to another level of happening " { this is a scientific study hence they can't use the terms heaven and hell which are meainingless to science }.
Another way of putting it is " A french team of experts headed by henri joyeaux also undertook a very serious work of of the examination of the visionaries. Employing the most modern equipment and expertise , it examined the internal reactions of the visionaries before , during and after the apparitions. " Their results included " The interesting results of a hearing test before and after the apparition showed normal hearing , but during the apparition , an imput of ninety decibals { equivalent to a loud reaction ] showed No reaction. Auditory evoked potential measurement { electrical activity of the ear } indicates normal ear activity with no transmission to the inner ear during the apparition. It is a measureable inhibition of hearing that is involuntary and inexplicable physioogically ." Five or six people CANNOT lose their hearing simultaneously {when the Blessed Virgin Mary allegely appears} and have it returned when the apparition ends. { as far a i know once you lose your hearing it will not return } It is also interesting that when thanked for his role in freeing poland from communism Pope Paul replied " no , not me but by the works of the Blessed Virgin Mary according to her affirmations at fatima and medjugorje ". The church after years of scrutiny have given medjugorje a kind of provisonal approval.

i would take with a grain of salt those mary aparitions . isnt a coincidence that those mary aparitions spots are always a spiritual market?
. if those aparitions were true those people there if they are really honest shouldn't make money with that
 

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You could be right but what is the mind ? how you would know for sure that the mind is only physical process of the brain . the mind after all can not percieve itself


The brain's mind cannot perceive the functioning of the brain that generates it. That alone doesn't leave much to base a conclusion upon. Yet the mind is a product of the functioning of the brain. We know this because damage to the brain damages the mind it generates. This is also demonstrably true. Terry Schiavo is the perfect example of that and so is anyone who has had major head trauma, and stroke.

Have you ever studied the functions of the brain? We actually know more about it than many people realize.
 

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That being said, it is a demonstrable fact that the destruction of the human form by the transformation process that we call 'decay', which begins upon death, can entirely destroy all of what makes us who we are. There is no evidence at all that the electro/chemical processes in the form of neuronal matrices within the brain which contains your memories, creates emotions, and is the biological equivalant to a computer which has the ability to think for itself, will survive the death of the organ that generates it, and if it did it would not be able to think, feel emotion, or have any memories since those are functions of the brain, and without those things who you are as a person could not exist.

Dude. You should probably read an entire thread, especially one as short as this one, before you contribute. This has (although less precisely) been expressed and accepted.
 

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The brain's mind cannot perceive the functioning of the brain that generates it. That alone doesn't leave much to base a conclusion upon. Yet the mind is a product of the functioning of the brain. We know this because damage to the brain damages the mind it generates. This is also demonstrably true. Terry Schiavo is the perfect example of that and so is anyone who has had major head trauma, and stroke.

Have you ever studied the functions of the brain? We actually know more about it than many people realize.
What you said is sounds about right with that alone we could conclude that death is the end but in the case that we exists somehow after dead that could mean that maybe the mind isnt a physical only phenomenon and is independent of the brain .
 

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i would take with a grain of salt those mary aparitions . isnt a coincidence that those mary aparitions spots are always a spiritual market?
. if those aparitions were true those people there if they are really honest shouldn't make money with that

The apparitions happened in a communist country during the bosian warr. in an extremely dangerous time and place. Communism is an attack on our economic models , political systems and some say most of all on God. {Lenin's religion is the opium of the masses } The appearances of the Blessed Virgin Mary in a comumist country was an embarrassment to the communist world who claimed God doesn't exist which was why they tried every means and ways to stop the appearances. The last thing they cared about was financial profit.
One of the aspects of the third commission was to intensely study the private lives of the visionaries. None has used their fame for financial profit. What they risked was their lives and those in medjugorje which eventually was bombed to stop the appearances. In the 80s the rock group abba was offered one billion dollars for a reunion tour. I believe that's pennies to what these visionaries could earn.