death is the end?

What do you guys think will happen to us at death?


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if you try to think back to when you were born....you cant remember....maybe when you were crying....but if you try to go back to before you were born.....there is nothing...darkness...void. i think i will return to that.....i know we are taught to believe different because we dont like to think of a END. but i think there is a beginning and then that END. thats it.......now if we do get re cycled back around....that would be great.......but we have NO proof.
 

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I can't vote. None of the options reflect my beliefs on life after death. I don't believe in a "one size fits all" answer. We are all agnostic until we are actually dead, then we know for sure.

I believe all sorts of things about how we continue and how we might not continue after death. And I just can't wed myself to one option.
 

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none of the above options really encompass what i believe...but i definitely don't think death is the end. we're spiritual beings, and eternity is our playground. ;)

(and it's never pointless debating. otherwise, all debate would be pointless)
 

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What you said is sounds about right with that alone we could conclude that death is the end but in the case that we exists somehow after dead that could mean that maybe the mind isnt a physical only phenomenon and is independent of the brain .


But just in case we have fairies coming out our asses after we die we all should be plugged after death to I suppose. One can 'just in case' about ANYTHING but as long as there no evidence to believe it then it is more sensible to simply live our lives as if it doesn't matter and not worry about the 'just in cases'.
 

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That's a lie, with most things you debate there is actually the possibility of knowing, or at least increasing/decreasing probability of something

with this, we will never know


Actually we do know, it's just that theistic/spiritualist persons don't like the answer.
 

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I believe there is one God/creator with dominion over all of the people ever born and yet to be born in what we think of as our world. I believe there is a concept of righteousness and of evil and I believe the soul of the righteous will be rewarded with some form of afterlife: the afterlife could consist of a databank of thoughts to perpetuate the soul or it might take the Biblical form of Heaven and Hell.
Whether the soul is accompanied by a stream of consciousness or assumes a yet not understood form of continuum, I am not certain! I believe there is great probability that both matter and thought are stored in a great heavenly /galactic data bank to be recycled along with genetic material.
I doubt that the process of rebirth and regeneration is entirely on the conscious level, but I would not rule out that, through a process not now understood by us, snippets of memory of prior existences can arise during a subsequent existence!
In this context, I believe death is a gateway to a great storage and recycling area and that life in some form is eternal!
 

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That's a lie, with most things you debate there is actually the possibility of knowing, or at least increasing/decreasing probability of something

with this, we will never know

if you can know it or prove it for certain, then there's little point in debating it. most debates and arguments center around areas of belief, opinion, theory and/or conjecture, wherein rhetoric and expression of those beliefs and opinions, in some instances with evidence (though rarely irrefutable evidence) to back it up, are the only means to make your case.

so i'd say almost the opposite from you. it's far more futile to debate things that can be absolutely known and proven. because whoever's arguing against them is at an extreme disadvantage since at any time the "pro" side can just whip out an encyclopedia. :biggrin1: debate of subjective unknowns, like opinions and beliefs, are far more fruitful because they exhibit not only WHAT you know but HOW and WHY you think and believe.

Actually we do know, it's just that theistic/spiritualist persons don't like the answer.

actually, you don't know. none of us do. we have our differing beliefs, but declaring YOUR belief as knowledge as though you had some kind of evidence to back it up is really kind of silly.
 

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actually, you don't know. none of us do. we have our differing beliefs, but declaring YOUR belief as knowledge as though you had some kind of evidence to back it up is really kind of silly.


Since there is no evidence to suggest otherwise there is no reason whatsoever to believe that there is any sort of life for the individual after their death. I can't help it if you are not willing to accept the obvious facts. It's theist such as yourself that keep this 'debate based on ignorance' going for all of society. You think that just because it 'might' be true, and clearly you want it to be, and since it can't be disproven you think it's perfectly okay to continue to think there is an aferlife. But like I've said before we can all 'what if', 'just in case', and 'might be' ourselves in to believing ANYTHING. To do that is insanity. If there isn't sufficent evidence to believe something as life altering as 'life after death' then we SHOULDN'T Believe it, because to simply believe such a thing on faith alone is wishful thinking at best and completely delusional at worst.
 

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Since there is no evidence to suggest otherwise there is no reason whatsoever to believe that there is any sort of life for the individual after their death. I can't help it if you are not willing to accept the obvious facts. It's theist such as yourself that keep this 'debate based on ignorance' going for all of society. You think that just because it 'might' be true, and clearly you want it to be, and since it can't be disproven you think it's perfectly okay to continue to think there is an aferlife. But like I've said before we can all 'what if', 'just in case', and 'might be' ourselves in to believing ANYTHING. To do that is insanity. If there isn't sufficent evidence to believe something as life altering as 'life after death' then we SHOULDN'T Believe it, because to simply believe such a thing on faith alone is wishful thinking at best and completely delusional at worst.

that's your belief, though. there's no evidence, so you don't believe in it. fine, all well and good, but it's still just YOUR belief with no more evidence to disprove it than i have to prove it. the only difference being, i'm not asking you to disprove it. i'm fine if you don't want to believe in an afterlife or eternal soul. that's your affair. but declaring it like it's some kind of empirical fact backed by mounds of evidence and data is and thus the debate should be ended is ridiculous, arrogant and intellectually irresponsible.

putting all that aside for a second, though...why does it matter to you? you talk about belief in the afterlife, in ANY afterlife, in anything beyond meat and decay and oblivion as though it were dangerous with vast negative consequences. but what are they? if i believe in Heaven or reincarnation or any number of possibilities beyond "we die and we're gone and it's over," where's the harm? where's the foul?

the most upsetting thing is that you're not only telling people what they should and shouldn't believe (why atheists decided to start borrowing strategies from the fundamentalist playbook, i have no idea), but also telling them on what criteria they should believe anything: yours. you demand absolute empirical proof, or near enough to it, before you believe anything. that's your process, that's how your mind works. it's not how everyone else thinks or feels, though. i'm all for logic and rationality, but i also belief in faith and instinct and imagination. as long as you're not acting on your beliefs, be they theist, spiritualist, atheist or agnostic, in such a way that is harmful to others or the world around you...why not just let it be? the world would be a dreadfully boring place if we all believed the same things and thought the same way.

if you're right, then we're all just mulch anyway. i feel and believe that there's something more to us and to all of this than that. i don't KNOW what it is, but i believe that it's there.
 

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Since there is no evidence to suggest otherwise there is no reason whatsoever to believe that there is any sort of life for the individual after their death. I can't help it if you are not willing to accept the obvious facts. It's theist such as yourself that keep this 'debate based on ignorance' going for all of society. You think that just because it 'might' be true, and clearly you want it to be, and since it can't be disproven you think it's perfectly okay to continue to think there is an aferlife. But like I've said before we can all 'what if', 'just in case', and 'might be' ourselves in to believing ANYTHING. To do that is insanity. If there isn't sufficent evidence to believe something as life altering as 'life after death' then we SHOULDN'T Believe it, because to simply believe such a thing on faith alone is wishful thinking at best and completely delusional at worst.

This discussion presumably is about what each one of us believes, I do not think it is a major theological dispute! Additionally, it is not just about what you believe! How dare you be so presumptuous as to offer corrections to another person's belief and justify it by saying your word is the only truth and to believe otherwise is insanity? Your word is merely your opinion. As one individual, you have no monopoly on the truth...to pretend that you have the one truth is arrogant at best and ignorant at worst! There is no one so omniscient that they can argue for the right or wrong of another person's expressed opinion!
 

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Actually we do know, it's just that theistic/spiritualist persons don't like the answer.

Actually if we are honest about it the truth is that we dont know.
Thas why iam agnostic i think that is irresponsible and dishonest to claim something without a definitive proof.
 

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Since there is no evidence to suggest otherwise there is no reason whatsoever to believe that there is any sort of life for the individual after their death. I can't help it if you are not willing to accept the obvious facts. It's theist such as yourself that keep this 'debate based on ignorance' going for all of society. You think that just because it 'might' be true, and clearly you want it to be, and since it can't be disproven you think it's perfectly okay to continue to think there is an aferlife. But like I've said before we can all 'what if', 'just in case', and 'might be' ourselves in to believing ANYTHING. To do that is insanity. If there isn't sufficent evidence to believe something as life altering as 'life after death' then we SHOULDN'T Believe it, because to simply believe such a thing on faith alone is wishful thinking at best and completely delusional at worst.

I think that the issue is not that easy as you see it. because you dont believe in something that dont means it doesnt exist and you can also belief in things that doesnt exist of course . without absolute irrefutable evidence to back up a claim we cant say that our beliefs or hipothesis are the correct ones.