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Personally I'm not questioning that people have experiences of the kind you're talking about. What I question is the conclusions drawn from them. What use is an 'elevated state of consciousness' if it can't be shown to be anything more than natural electro/chemical phenomena in the brain, and not a special connection to anything external, just the brain doing what it does? Now I'm not stating that it's not "unusual" in the sense that it may not happen very often, or only when the brain is tapping into certain brain centers that it doesn't stimulate very often, but it's still Natural all the same. But what use is it and why bother?

Easy Answer Equus---TRY IT AND FIND OUT!!! It wont cost you a DIME. All the info you need to assist you in getting to the elevated state of consciousness is on the internet. Just add the the desire sincerely find out, then take some time to try some tried and true methods for accessing the higher states. what you keep repeating is that since we cant use the observable 3-D material world to prove something immaterial it can exist in any other state. We all THINK and the electrical impulses can be measured but still CANT be reconstructed into cohesive THOUGHTS/consciousness by our measuring devices. Yet our brains do that EASILY. So then you say since we cant externally reconstruct THOUGHTS with our science then our thoughts dont exist? They are REAL in our minds and we use them all the time but cant measure EXACTLY what they are or figure out how they are formed. We just see it as bunches of firing synapses. Does that automatically invalidate the fact that they exist in our minds? Same thing with the higher states. It is elevated THOUGHT thats all and a lot more interesting than the mundane stuff we normally access and process. Peace out. I have no more to say about this.
 

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Why just quote a PART of my response out of context in an attempt to make your point? KEEP READING. To paraphrase, I said I TRIED it to CONFIRM for myself what they were/are trying to explain in words. I wanted proof and then EXPERIENCED it, not just by buying into the fact they SAID it exists on blind faith (or that is does NOT exist for that matter).

Because I was quoting all the context I needed to prove my point: you are making very poor arguments. You do so again right here. Your personal experiences mean very little in the grand scheme of things, yet you are using them as proof that you know what you are talking about. There are many people out there with personal experiences contrary to your own. Your blind faith in your own senses and limited personal experience is far more pitiable than those who seek truth through peer review and testable hypotheses. Referring to the latter as blind faith is pretty ridiculous considering the amount of weight you assign your own opinions. Blind faith is what leads morons into believing that someone accurately predicted when the end of the world was going to be; not doubting that such a thing is possible because history, science, our collective experiences and any considered analysis has shown that it is more than likely not.
 

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Easy Answer Equus---TRY IT AND FIND OUT!!! It wont cost you a DIME. All the info you need to assist you in getting to the elevated state of consciousness is on the internet. Just add the the desire sincerely find out, then take some time to try some tried and true methods for accessing the higher states. what you keep repeating is that since we cant use the observable 3-D material world to prove something immaterial it can exist in any other state. We all THINK and the electrical impulses can be measured but still CANT be reconstructed into cohesive THOUGHTS/consciousness by our measuring devices. Yet our brains do that EASILY. So then you say since we cant externally reconstruct THOUGHTS with our science then our thoughts dont exist? They are REAL in our minds and we use them all the time but cant measure EXACTLY what they are or figure out how they are formed. We just see it as bunches of firing synapses. Does that automatically invalidate the fact that they exist in our minds? Same thing with the higher states. It is elevated THOUGHT thats all and a lot more interesting than the mundane stuff we normally access and process. Peace out. I have no more to say about this.

You are so right. Great points. I know exactly what you are talking about.
 

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Because I was quoting all the context I needed to prove my point: you are making very poor arguments. You do so again right here. Your personal experiences mean very little in the grand scheme of things, yet you are using them as proof that you know what you are talking about. There are many people out there with personal experiences contrary to your own. Your blind faith in your own senses and limited personal experience is far more pitiable than those who seek truth through peer review and testable hypotheses. Referring to the latter as blind faith is pretty ridiculous considering the amount of weight you assign your own opinions. Blind faith is what leads morons into believing that someone accurately predicted when the end of the world was going to be; not doubting that such a thing is possible because history, science, our collective experiences and any considered analysis has shown that it is more than likely not.

These are NOT my OPINIONS. But my CONFIRMATIONS based on my EXPERIENCES. You are SO close-minded that you believe what you are TOLD by group of "experts" as close minded as you are, rather then to test the "hypothesis" yourself. So you can believe what you are TOLD to believe by the other doubters or test the water yourself. You chose to BLINDLY follow a body of "science" that includes the doubters, so be it. I am not ALONE in what i experience and it is VALID and does NOT have to agree with your constrained view of this reality nor your limited 3-D way of "proving" it.

Actually you are the PITIFUL one. Contradicting something you never even tried, aligning yourself with those who FAILED to connect for whatever reasons they were NOT successful and then calling their FAILURES as proof it cant be so. Most great discoveries went AGAINST the so-called traditional way of thinking. With minds like yours we would all still be striking flints for fire and riding animals for transportation.

BTW, you cant validly prove a point by taking a line of thought OUT OF CONTEXT so it CHANGES the meaning to support YOUR response. Anyone with ANY sort of intelligence knows that, but now that i see how you think, i realize that you cant comprehend that.
 

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These are NOT my OPINIONS. But my CONFIRMATIONS based on my EXPERIENCES.

Things that Jimbo thinks equal confirmed truth.

1. Stupid shit that stupid people believe, provided that there is a pattern of stupid belief stretched out over centuries.

2. His own selection of what stupid shit to believe, "confirmed" by his own narrow experiences and search for confirmation of the things he chose to believe in. If people other than Jimbo choose to believe other stupid shit that they have confirmed through their own experiences, that doesn't matter so much since the ultimate determiner of what's real and what's not is Jimbo's own personal experience.

3. Typing IMPORTANT words in ALL caps to stress their IMPORTANCE and RELEVANCE.

will continue to add to the list as more data pours in...
 

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BTW, you cant validly prove a point by taking a line of thought OUT OF CONTEXT

Your stupid posts are all located in this stupid thread in their stupid entirety. If someone really wants to waste their time to go back and read them, they may. That doesn't mean I have to waste server memory and bandwidth by quoting you in full every time I respond to you. If anything I'm doing you a favor by cutting down your post length in my rebuttals. The more you talk, the dumber you look.
 

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Jimbo, if you can so easily transcend time through meditation or whatever bullshit you're using to enter your 12-dimensional zone of awesomeness, and predicting the future and accessing past events is so easy breezy as you made it sound in your first post to this thread, why is it no useful or accurate prediction has ever been made about anything? Why not wow us all here in the audience? tell us how this evening's South Park is going to end. I want hard specifics.
 

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jimbo - based on certain statements from what im reading, by using meditation to reach other plateaus that these experiences exist. now going with this idea you can say that dreams, and well anything someones imagines actually exists. there is major flaw in that. things that exist are in the physical world; tangible to some degree. ideas on the other hand are apart of the mental process, thoughts do not equal existence. people who have mental disorders or those who have taken hallucinogenics have seen things, so do those things they have seen exist? what you're talking about are spiritual beliefs, higher powers and such. i believe thom yorke said it best with "just cause you feel doesn't mean its there". these things can not be proven, sorry to burst bubbles but matters of faith are impossible to prove through scientific processes.

am i 100% correct in what i am saying? maybe or maybe not but what i have stated are the ideas that make the most sense to me. much like magic i can not believe in a ghostly image of me floating somewhere else. people want to believe that we are more than just animals. we can't stand the thought of dying cause and we need to exist forever. does this mean i can't enjoy life or have morals? um, i do enjoy life and i try to abide by the laws set by my government. this can go on and on into how people function in a society due to a local and more worldly acceptable and taboo behaviors to explain why we function as we do and do not just kill and destroy all around us.

you have said science has seen things exist in two places at once but you offer no evidence of this statement. its just a blanket statement. and things can not move beyond the speed of light or at least nothing with mass, provable at this point. you maybe referring to the use of black holes or worm holes here, but there is serious doubt to using those due how gravity works within them. buts its all theory at this point.

also going off about an "asinine, dumbed down college class" is rather ignorant of you. you are proving your point about how if someone never tries something they can't say its not true. science is not perfect but its the closest thing we have to explaining the world around us.

will the world end? yes. look it up or talk to some astro physicists they can explain why. too bad it wont be for rather long time (in comparison to typical human life span, or to recorded life)... that is if we stop trying to fuck it up and reverse our destructive ways.
 

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Easy Answer Equus---TRY IT AND FIND OUT!!! It wont cost you a DIME. All the info you need to assist you in getting to the elevated state of consciousness is on the internet. Just add the the desire sincerely find out, then take some time to try some tried and true methods for accessing the higher states. what you keep repeating is that since we cant use the observable 3-D material world to prove something immaterial it can exist in any other state. We all THINK and the electrical impulses can be measured but still CANT be reconstructed into cohesive THOUGHTS/consciousness by our measuring devices. Yet our brains do that EASILY. So then you say since we cant externally reconstruct THOUGHTS with our science then our thoughts dont exist? They are REAL in our minds and we use them all the time but cant measure EXACTLY what they are or figure out how they are formed. We just see it as bunches of firing synapses. Does that automatically invalidate the fact that they exist in our minds? Same thing with the higher states. It is elevated THOUGHT thats all and a lot more interesting than the mundane stuff we normally access and process. Peace out. I have no more to say about this.



I already know that I have no use for it. It's just 'gee whiz' knowledge that has no value to my life. That leads me to the question. If one can live a full life without these 'experiences' that are only in ones head then why does anyone else need them? I can't answer that. So I ask you. Now you're telling me that I should find out. How can I do that if you are simply passing the buck off onto me?


And by the way dreams are just natural electro/chemical phenomena in the brain as well, and apart from their existence as dreams they aren't real even when you experience them very vividly and they can make you feel things, it's the same thing with what you're talking about. I see no difference or value.
 

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religion vs science

Science is just as non-convincing as religion.

I'd sooner believe in the Adam and Eve story than in the Bing Bang theory. Why? Nothing doesn't come from nothing. A house doesn't just come into existence, nor does an entire universe or universes.... God always was, is and will always be, no matter how you define "him." Outside of time, there is no beginning and end. Outside of time = eternity. The notion of time was created for Earth. That's why does time go more and more slowly the further you go into outer space from Earth.:rolleyes:

No matter how many on how discredit religion and the concept of "beyond time", there abounds mysteries to which there is no answer. Science, for the most part, cannot offer any better explanations for these than most religions.

No, I shall get attacked for centuries to come. Well, maybe the world will end before too many of them pass.:biggrin1:
 

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religion vs science

Science is just as non-convincing as religion.

I'd sooner believe in the Adam and Eve story than in the Bing Bang theory. Why? Nothing doesn't come from nothing. A house doesn't just come into existence, nor does an entire universe or universes.... God always was, is and will always be, no matter how you define "him." Outside of time, there is no beginning and end. Outside of time = eternity. The notion of time was created for Earth. That's why does time go more and more slowly the further you go into outer space from Earth.:rolleyes:

No matter how many on how discredit religion and the concept of "beyond time", there abounds mysteries to which there is no answer. Science, for the most part, cannot offer any better explanations for these than most religions.

No, I shall get attacked for centuries to come. Well, maybe the world will end before too many of them pass.:biggrin1:



You need to be educated about Big Bang Theory since what you've just said about it is entirely false.
In Big Bang Theory scientists do not say that the universe came from nothing. That is a theist position. It is theists who say:

Nothing + God = Universe

The Big Bang Theory says that the Matter/Energy that makes up this univserse Always existed in some form. There was never a time when it didn't. So Big Bang Theory is:

Eternally pre-existent Matter/Energy + Big Bang = Universe

Just because we don't completely comprehend the actual event that we call "Big Bang" doesn't mean that it has anything to do with an all powerful deity. There are many perfectly natural things that people have 'plugged' a god into (that 'god of the gaps') since we've existed that doesn't mean that there is such a being and those gaps in our knowledge are getting smaller and smaller.

You want to say that god always existed yet you can't even prove that your god exists at all. Science is telling you that the matter and energy that makes up this universe, which can be proven to exist, always existed. So which should I believe? In a god that always existed that you can't prove exists. Or that the matter and energy that this universe is made up from always existed in some form. A person who is realistic and sensible would have to agree with the scientists. The instant you make a claim about an actual being who is so powerful they can create the universe from nothing then a sensible person must ask for evidence that such a being exists. The Universe works as one would expect it would without a creator. I don't need one. Why do you?
 

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The notion of time was created for Earth.


This sort of statement has always smacked of egoism to me. Do you have a need to believe in a god so that you can feel special somehow? That this entire Universe in all its vastness is there for us and us alone? That has to be one of the most egocentric ideas I've ever heard. Knowning humanity as I do no wonder so many people are drawn to such theistic beliefs. It appeals to their ego.
 

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I'd sooner believe in the Adam and Eve story than in the Bing Bang theory. Why? Nothing doesn't come from nothing. A house doesn't just come into existence, nor does an entire universe or universes.... God always was, is and will always be, no matter how you define "him."

Wow, that's convenient. The Universe can't come from nothing, but God can.
 

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Your stupid posts are all located in this stupid thread in their stupid entirety. If someone really wants to waste their time to go back and read them, they may. That doesn't mean I have to waste server memory and bandwidth by quoting you in full every time I respond to you. If anything I'm doing you a favor by cutting down your post length in my rebuttals. The more you talk, the dumber you look.


The mark of a true intellectual...LOL. You have NOTHING to really say, so you resort to immature, name-calling and insults. Just because what i am talking about is WAY over your head and you have NO way to debate other than to TWIST my responses by selectively choosing phrases out of context (that CLEARLY shows anyone else reading this thread your lack of true knowledge in this area), is no reason to get pissed at me. But then again I have to consider the source. You would fair better logically in a thread that talks about what is the best lube for jacking off or some other more mundane topic.
 

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The mark of a true intellectual...LOL. You have NOTHING to really say, so you resort to immature, name-calling and insults. Just because what i am talking about is WAY over your head and you have NO way to debate other than to TWIST my responses by selectively choosing phrases out of context (that CLEARLY shows anyone else reading this thread your lack of true knowledge in this area), is no reason to get pissed at me. But then again I have to consider the source. You would fair better logically in a thread that talks about what is the best lube for jacking off or some other more mundane topic.




And you still have yet to answer my questions. Could it be that you, yourself, have no answers? Or perhaps you don't even like the answers you would have to give me if you were actually being honest about them?

And NineInchCock is very correct on this it's very convenient that you get to have your god come from nothing when you can't prove that your god exists but The Universe itself can't come from nothing no matter how much evidence exists for its existence. You really should reconsider your position, it's untenable.
 

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The mark of a true intellectual...LOL. You have NOTHING to really say, so you resort to immature, name-calling and insults. Just because what i am talking about is WAY over your head and you have NO way to debate other than to TWIST my responses by selectively choosing phrases out of context (that CLEARLY shows anyone else reading this thread your lack of true knowledge in this area), is no reason to get pissed at me. But then again I have to consider the source. You would fair better logically in a thread that talks about what is the best lube for jacking off or some other more mundane topic.

I'm not pissed at you at all. I'm just calling you stupid because you clearly are. I'm not closed-minded either, but whenever some idiot fucktard like yourself starts parading around insisting that they're right because of personal experience and everybody else who has had contrary personal experience is therefore wrong, that means they're stupid and I get to call them that. I don't have anything against points of view I disagree with being expressed, but when you start being condescending about whatever completely asinine thing you believe in or when you start citing hallucinations as "evidence," you're just begging to be called names. If you're going to put your faith in wild theories, at least have some humility about them and your capacity to understand them, then I would leave you alone. You're a fucking idiot. Every sane person reading this thread knows it. Go back to sucking on crack you moronic dopefiend, you obviously can't deal with reality.
 

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I already know that I have no use for it. It's just 'gee whiz' knowledge that has no value to my life. That leads me to the question. If one can live a full life without these 'experiences' that are only in ones head then why does anyone else need them? I can't answer that. So I ask you. Now you're telling me that I should find out. How can I do that if you are simply passing the buck off onto me?

I am not passing the buck. Our 3-D science really has no way to explain this in terms you can READ about. I suggested you TRY it then draw your own conclusions instead of just dismissing it.

And by the way dreams are just natural electro/chemical phenomena in the brain as well, and apart from their existence as dreams they aren't real even when you experience them very vividly and they can make you feel things, it's the same thing with what you're talking about. I see no difference or value.

These are NOT dreams.
 

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And you still have yet to answer my questions. Could it be that you, yourself, have no answers? Or perhaps you don't even like the answers you would have to give me if you were actually being honest about them?

And NineInchCock is very correct on this it's very convenient that you get to have your god come from nothing when you can't prove that your god exists but The Universe itself can't come from nothing no matter how much evidence exists for its existence. You really should reconsider your position, it's untenable.


I can't explain things to those who have a closed mind and already have preconceived notions about what it is or is not being experienced. I have given you answers but cant see the forest for the trees. Any further attempt is a waste of my time.

WTF are you talking about god/Universe? I think you got MY comments mixed up with someone else's.

You and NineInch should debate each other, it would be quite amusing. NineInch takes comments out of context to "prove" his point with as much credibility as the National Enquirer and the other cant even tell to whom he is responding.
 

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I'm not pissed at you at all. I'm just calling you stupid because you clearly are. I'm not closed-minded either, but whenever some idiot fucktard like yourself starts parading around insisting that they're right because of personal experience and everybody else who has had contrary personal experience is therefore wrong, that means they're stupid and I get to call them that. I don't have anything against points of view I disagree with being expressed, but when you start being condescending about whatever completely asinine thing you believe in or when you start citing hallucinations as "evidence," you're just begging to be called names. If you're going to put your faith in wild theories, at least have some humility about them and your capacity to understand them, then I would leave you alone. You're a fucking idiot. Every sane person reading this thread knows it. Go back to sucking on crack you moronic dopefiend, you obviously can't deal with reality.

So you are saying you TRIED it and it did not work for you? I think not. To blindly disagree just because your GUT FEEL says it cant be so is stupid. "Wild Theories"? how do you know? Oh i get it, it cant be true because NINEINCH says so and chooses to jump on the bandwagon with all those who just slam stuff they don't (or don't WANT to) undrestand.

Fact is the things i have been trying to describe here have be practiced for AGES and are REAL. I am no sage nor a dope fiend on some trip nor claiming uniqueness here. I just came out of my shell to see for myself and discovered it is REAL. But not you, you already know everything about this "intuitively". But your personal experience adds NOTHING to this argument except your increasingly inane and verbose RANTS.

Comment on this if you like. I am done wasting my time responding to this threadm which by the way with you and Equus distractions has totally gotten off the original point anyway. Peace out.