this is wrong. (from cnn - 6/06/09)
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network | Lt. Colonel Victor Fehrenbach
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network | Lt. Colonel Victor Fehrenbach
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decorated air force lt. col. loses job/benefits
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drawn by chan lowe, an editorial cartoonist with the sun-sentinel in southern florida.
drawn by chan lowe, an editorial cartoonist with the sun-sentinel in southern florida.
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Obama's administration passes the buck on this issue as it has with all other gay issues: all talk and no action. The Obama administration will do nothing because they claim that only Congress has the authority to rescind the ban even though it was President Clinton, not Congress, who created the policy. Just yesterday, the President's solicitor appeared before the Supreme Court to defend the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy!
There is no way the military will take him back without Presidential authorization and that ain't happening.
Once again, gays have been sold down the river by the people who allegedly support them. Get used to it.
I would love every gay service person to come out at once. See what happens then.
There is no way the military will take him back without Presidential authorization and that ain't happening.
Once again, gays have been sold down the river by the people who allegedly support them. Get used to it.
I would love every gay service person to come out at once. See what happens then.
D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse
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Rachel interviewed this guy:
YouTube - Rachel Maddow 2009-05-19 Don't Ask Don't Tell
Interview starts 3:20
Rachel says Obama, through executive action, has the authority to issue a moratorium on firing gay military personnel until the policy is reviewed, but Obama seems to be doing nothing. I thought Obama had a secret game plan, but after the Justice Deptartment's OLC helped defend "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" recently, I'm not so sure anymore.
YouTube - Rachel Maddow 2009-05-19 Don't Ask Don't Tell
Interview starts 3:20
Rachel says Obama, through executive action, has the authority to issue a moratorium on firing gay military personnel until the policy is reviewed, but Obama seems to be doing nothing. I thought Obama had a secret game plan, but after the Justice Deptartment's OLC helped defend "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" recently, I'm not so sure anymore.
folks at SLDN (Servicemember's Legal Defense Network) are baffled and disappointed as well. i've been on their email list for several years and have seen the mood change from hope (at the time of the nov. 2008 election) to the current frustration. a bill in the house, to end DADT, with much bipartisan support, was ready to go last year.
rep. ellen tauscher (d-calif.) has reintroduced legislation to repeal DADT. tauscher’s bill attracted 148 co-sponsors last year.
http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid86855.asp
polls show that a majority of americans, AND a majority of military families, now support the repeal of DADT.
obama may actually lose political ground by NOT making this "his" baby.
rep. ellen tauscher (d-calif.) has reintroduced legislation to repeal DADT. tauscher’s bill attracted 148 co-sponsors last year.
http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid86855.asp
polls show that a majority of americans, AND a majority of military families, now support the repeal of DADT.
obama may actually lose political ground by NOT making this "his" baby.
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rachel maddow 6/08/09 (yesterday)
obama / "don't ask don't tell" related story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgWPbotqJt8
obama / "don't ask don't tell" related story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgWPbotqJt8
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i dunno, but kindof seems like wondering where rosa parks was going when she refused to give up her seat on the bus. does it really matter? supposedly fehrenbach was outed by a "civilian acquaintance", but even if he had
outed himself voluntarily, does that make his case any less valid in the long run?
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you and obama could spend many months together pondering the issue.
his excellent research on portuguese water dogs certainly has paid off.
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We are missing over 12,500 of him. We have recruited over 4,000 convicted felons because we've had to relax recruitment standards to meet necessary personnel numbers. This is a travesty.
So, WT...Obama is doing nothing...you thought he had a secret game plan...but, he was just lying. He is doing nothing for gays. Either in the military or on the issue of gay marriage. he is a liar and a politican, though a formidable one, just as i said in the thread below...
do you remember this thread?
"This is hopeful to me. This is the Barack I've come to know."
http://www.lpsg.org/133062-obamas-handwritten-letter-regarding-dont.html
hate to rain on your parade and say "I told you so"...but come on. Did you really expect he was telling you the truth on that one?
Did you expect he was going to waste political capital on the gay community? He knows he has the gay vote sewn up and doesn't even have to do anything for them...who else are they going to vote for? The Gingrich, Limbaugh cabal of intolerance?
He is not going anywhere near gays in the military/Don't Ask Don't Tell during his tenure in office, whether it lasts 4 years or 8 years. We are going to be at war for quite awhile in Iraq and Afghanistan...he is not touching this issue anytime remotely soon...if ever.
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i think obama will get around to it in 2010 ( at least that's what the folks at SLDN seem to think at this point) i believe obama feels going after DADT would jeopardize his health care legislation and getting his supreme court nominee appointed. however, unless backroom deals have been cut, this issue could actually erode some support for obama on the hill among democrats. part of obama's base is already outraged, as part of that (early supporter) base i need to caution myself to be skeptical of the "endgame" intentions of the media regarding obama. but then again the facts ARE the facts...
(...and whilst dredging....obama's choice of rev. rick warren to deliver the invocation at the inauguration, with all the possible choices for that, did seem foreboding, even in january.)
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yup...and in 6 more weeks, we'll hear another story about another decorated military man or woman who is gay, run out of the service...while Obama does nothing, and folks like Willtom and others look on in confusion, and, sadly, we will say the exact same things in that thread, as we have said in this one and the thread from 4 weeks before this.
the only difference will be in degrees of disillusionment for those that actually believed he was sincere and those that saw his promises for what they were...
from the article on the USS Cole families:
"I did not vote for the man, but the way he talks to you, you can't help but believe in him," said John Clodfelter to the New York Times. His son, Kenneth, was killed in the Cole bombing. "[Mr. Obama] left me with a very positive feeling that he's going to get this done right."
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as we all know...believing what someone tells you, when it comes to politicians, should be substituted with the more realistic mantra of "seeing is believing".
he won't do it in 2010.
He cannot touch this, if he ever intended to, while US troops are at war.
It will never happen while US troops are fighting.
never.
It will give him a worse bloody nose than Clinton got, and we were not at war when Clinton tried it.
US combat troops aren't going to be fully home from Iraq and Afghanistan for years.
He will get bludgeoned if he tries it under war circumstances. The one thing he is afraid of is looking weak on defense. All democrats have been afraid of that since LBJ. Especially now, more than ever, there is no way he will do anything that might in anyway antagonize or upset the military. Republicans will go nuts, conservative democrats will go nuts, and he will have an open congressional public hissy fit on his hands in the middle of a war.
that does not work out well, ever.
He is not touching this and cannot touch it, if he ever intended to, any time before the last troops stop major combat operations in IRaq and Afghanistan.
and that is not going to happen for years.
B_starinvestor
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The continued mystification and bewilderment of the drones time after time, lie after spurious lie, is baffling to say the least.
I won't even bring up his customary about-face on exec comp yesterday.
Oh, then again, maybe I will.
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